Honda Blackbird CBR1100 XX

jimmyzee · February 26, 2011

Can anyone please enlighten me why
do u guys De-link in the first place???

Wah... IC...

Your Please enlighten me question started abit of commotion in here ya...

Hi guys, i may not have ridden or rather owned a BB before, but i sure owned the Varadero1000 with the same CBS technology before.... All i can say is, if you know how the CBS works and how it helps the bike esp a fastand heavy one like the BB stop, I dont think you will have ever considered the de-linking.... The CBS has its way of working on percentages of 60% front and 40% rear and its a very advanced system that is still used today on the Latest Honda models....even the VFR 1200 F.

My two cents will be never to delink, and challenge what the engineers at Honda, have spent ALOT of money researching.... A cheaper alternative is also a very dangerous alternative... Cos now, even though you may have better braking response at lower speeds, you are at a HUGE loss at higher speeds cos not all your pistons are working....

Like what Bro Jbat has highlighted, it takes a bit of work to get all pistons werking.... With a fast bike like the BB and with the way its usually ridden on the NSHW, its a handicap at high speed... cos you may not have the stopping power of all 6 pistons up front and the 2 in the rear. A sure compromise on safety...

I also agree with Middle aged Biker that if i were to buy a BB and it has been delinked, its a sure no go for me. Like i said, its handicapped unless you upgrade to aftermarket callipers that will provide the needed bite on the rotors.

Try as you may, without these callipers, braking distance will be hugely affected slowing down from a possible 250-280 kmph speed and surely can be scary if the rear locks up or maybe even the front.

Like i said, this is my two cents.... safety should not be compromised for a lil added cost, and for bros like Zesture and JimmyZ, at least upgrades were done to their brake master cylinders thru the RCS 19 brembos..... The much needed addition in oil flow is much needed to cut down the time the pistons in the callipers take to bite the rotors.... But if you put all the costs of all these so called upgrades, Its also not very cheap.... Assume delinking costs $450 and a Brembo master cylinder costs $500-$550, a further upgraded aluminium reservoir another $90 bucks,,, thats already alot of money, with which a set of braided hoses could easily be fixed with no changes to the braking feature of the bike....

Like i say again, i may be wrong, but this is from my detailed knowledge of the Combined Braking System...

Its another picture altogether is you have an ABS model.....

Zac

Well said bro zac and middleagedbiker...

but I personally regards our bikes as "Big Boys Toys". We big boys will like to modify here and there a bit, sometimes just giving ourselves an excuse to spend a bit of money if we can afford, dun regards de-linking is stupid or worth it or not... the 3 calipers still in use! Its the rider own duty to familiarize with your own bike!

As for braking at high speed... we are all class 2 riders, dun you know how to anticipate danger?

Is someone in here trying to say the rear pedal brakes is useless if your bike is equipped with CBS?

**** happened sometimes and its unavoidable. Happily flying at 200++ km/h nothing happens but riding at 80km/h or even slower you crashed.

So in this case to blame the rider or the brakes system? ( Sorry IC... just taking you as a example )

Just be happy of what you having and comfortable with... To de-link or not? some may like it, some don't, is really up to individual preference.

End of it, the brakes still functionable and able to bring you to stop. Money come from ourselves, not sponsor by anyone in here.

Ride safe guys and gals... Cheeeeerssss!!!!

blue jellyfish · February 27, 2011

wahh .. after almost 3 years riding ... first time i know the details of CBS .. hihihihihihihhihihihih .. n from an ex vara and a current gixxie rider ,,, Lu kencang lah Bro Zac ....

BRO GS ... i agree with fixing the feathers ... try peacock feathers ... stylo milo lah ... hihihihihihi

Bro Steven ... just to share .. mine is super stock except for my illegal Yoshi end can, and a Lockheart Philips full tank bra lah ... hhihihiihi .. and i didnt tune the engine with the slipons .. still good as ever if u r not looking at 250km/h above lah ... n still able to reach hatyai and back safely ... unless someone wants to recommend me what to do but still keeping the stock setting.... what can i say ... its a BLACKBIRD ...

so lets ride hard and ride safe my dear BB bros and kakis .... alamah .. forget again .. and the SISTAS

greysnail · February 27, 2011

hmm....
thanks for all the advices on the CBS....
Indeed I agree to what both mates have said...

The de link cost $480 with worksmanship at UM
Mine would be totally diff fr UM...
It would be 2 hoses infront & 1 at the rear compare to UM 6 hoses...
& of course I will be planning to upgrade the master pump & rotor discs....
plus upgrading the rear shock & changing the front springs for the additional handling...

The Japs must have a reason to retain the system till now.... that is for sure...

now I pretty in a fix...lol
brand new set of hoses CBS from hel is around $580++ (I last heard from a X11 kaki of mine)
the problem with CBS is the bleeding which is a pain in the arse I believe...
& without proper bleeding it useless....
I more of a rear brake user. Pretty bad habit of mine but it a habit hard to change unless I skidded & fall hard...lol TOUCH WOOD...!!!!
the CBS dun really suit my style or...?

To all birds.....

I have a problem with my ride....
after speed of 100km/h to 180km/h esp during normal riding style or maintaining throttle,
the bike jerk like crazy...
it like u open throttle the bird dun wana "fly" but when doing hard riding, the bird is ok....
Can't figure out what went wrong...

Any advices??
I believe it could be the following issues
. Carb Setting
. Wire Harness
. Stator Coil
. Plug Coil & Cable
. CDI

Any advices???

Cheers!!!

1st check is carb setting,follow by plugs.

Coz we wont noe if the previous owner changed the setting by fixing aftermarket parts like dynojet and exzos system. 1 most important thing,check the hose under the tank is not pinched coz some hoses are for the fuel tank to release pressure for the fuel to flow. Or mebbe one of ur carbs float is stuck.Refer to CBRXX for carb float stuck remedy.

greysnail · February 27, 2011

Every bikers here have their own preferences,Each loves the color of their bikes,Each loves the sound of their own aftermarket pipes.Each have their own tastebud to taste.In the end it doesn't matter wat u do to ur bike as long as we're are Blackbird riders okla.......peace!

Lup u all!!!!!

stwb1981 · February 27, 2011

thanks for the advices mate....

yup end of the familiarasation with your ride is very impt indeed....

take time though...

Well each to his own, as long able to stop is a good braking system...lol

having a clearer picture now I know whta I gona do nxt...lol

with regards to the problem I facing...

my mech took out the carb & service it right in front of me as I was there disturbing him on info on accessories...

Setting is preety good with strong pickup (typical of a bird)

but juz couldn't understand what went wrong with the jerking....

seem like a trip dw is inevtiable again...

varadero8212 · February 27, 2011

Like i said lah guys,,, this is my two cents worth.....We were talking about delinking and i address as a financial issue cos bro stwb mentioned cost concerns.....

I understand, money is yours bro jimmy and you sure can do whatever you want with it. I am glad that you can afford these modifications.... If you wanna proclaim that its an upgrade however, i beg to differ......... CBS or not, the bird is the bird. But lets not all seem to make it look that its perfectly ok to de-link....Bro Jimmy, you are 35 years old and have seen the road a lot more than some ppl who will actually need the CBS system... some of the bros here are merely 22-25 years of age and in that context, have seen the road for a good 10 years lesser. I am in no sense claiming that they are any less a Class 2 rider and nor am i trying to prove that they are any less a biker compared to me or you or anyone in here for that matter...

I personally have been riding for 16 years now and even now i can claim that **** happens.... it can indeed happen anytime....

But i am also a biker who understands, that life is very precious... and it also can go at any given moment.

I am merely a GSX 750 owner... excuse me if i may sound intrusive but like i said, just my two cents... dun have to agree lah bros :)))))

varadero8212 · February 27, 2011

Wah... IC...
Your Please enlighten me question started abit of commotion in here ya...

Well said bro zac and middleagedbiker...

but I personally regards our bikes as "Big Boys Toys". We big boys will like to modify here and there a bit, sometimes just giving ourselves an excuse to spend a bit of money if we can afford, dun regards de-linking is stupid or worth it or not... the 3 calipers still in use! Its the rider own duty to familiarize with your own bike!

Just wanna add on here lah,,,, like i said,,,i didnt say its stupid nor did i say it not worth it dude..i am being very technical here...simply technical

As for braking at high speed... we are all class 2 riders, dun you know how to anticipate danger?
Is someone in here trying to say the rear pedal brakes is useless if your bike is equipped with CBS?

If everyone can anticipate danger, the world will sure ly be a better place bro.... and your bike will not be useless if you had CBS

**** happened sometimes and its unavoidable. Happily flying at 200++ km/h nothing happens but riding at 80km/h or even slower you crashed.
So in this case to blame the rider or the brakes system? ( Sorry IC... just taking you as a example )

I dun think its fair to even use this as an example lah bro....bro confused crashed not becos of rider error, nor did he crash because his brakes didnt work.... If you were there and know what exactly happened in the crash, ONLY A VERY EXPERINCE RIDER LIKE BRO RAMESH COULD HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID....thru his vast experience in dirt biking and owning 3 blackbirds in his riding track record..... he let go of his bird, how many of us would have let go???

Just be happy of what you having and comfortable with... To de-link or not? some may like it, some don't, is really up to individual preference.
End of it, the brakes still functionable and able to bring you to stop. Money come from ourselves, not sponsor by anyone in here.

Again, i agree, its your money,,,do whatever you want with it.... no one stopping you bro,,,, I STRESS, LETS NOT TALK MONEY WHEN ITS A TECHNICAL QUESTION MR Ah Beng... i know you rich : )

Ride safe guys and gals... Cheeeeerssss!!!!

Thanks and you too my brudder....lets ride

rocksteady · February 27, 2011

Saw 2 BB at RnR towards SG last nite, anione frm here?

stwb1981 · February 27, 2011

Like i said lah guys,,, this is my two cents worth.....We were talking about delinking and i address as a financial issue cos bro stwb mentioned cost concerns.....

I understand, money is yours bro jimmy and you sure can do whatever you want with it. I am glad that you can afford these modifications.... If you wanna proclaim that its an upgrade however, i beg to differ......... CBS or not, the bird is the bird. But lets not all seem to make it look that its perfectly ok to de-link....Bro Jimmy, you are 35 years old and have seen the road a lot more than some ppl who will actually need the CBS system... some of the bros here are merely 22-25 years of age and in that context, have seen the road for a good 10 years lesser. I am in no sense claiming that they are any less a Class 2 rider and nor am i trying to prove that they are any less a biker compared to me or you or anyone in here for that matter...

I personally have been riding for 16 years now and even now i can claim that **** happens.... it can indeed happen anytime....

But i am also a biker who understands, that life is very precious... and it also can go at any given moment.

I am merely a GSX 750 owner... excuse me if i may sound intrusive but like i said, just my two cents... dun have to agree lah bros :)))))

Thanks and you too my brudder....lets ride[/color]

Chill mates....

but to me $$$ is of the least concern when it come to safety...

I just stating an example... "in terms of $$$... etc etc"

all the pros & cons must states mah...

any way zx10r 04 to 05 is using 4 pistons caliper also & so is many Litres bikes...

hmm... but they are lighter than the bird of course...lol

but if my mech & meng tong were to say to delink for better bite...hmmm.... then i should take their advice or??

Well end of the day $$$ depends on hw deep the pocket is...

Riding is not an expensive hobby or should not be at teh very least...

but indirectly it is us end consumers, bikers that help the merchant in jacking up the prices...

that y I came in with Motore Bici, More For Less Always...!!!

Hope I did not side track...lol

nonetheless, i believe all have their concerns & reservation on the CBS to link or delink...lol

I go ask Meng tong on why to delink or not...

See what he say...

I think he is the best man for the job I believe...

from there, mayb we can find out more info...?

Saw 2 BB at RnR towards SG last nite, anione frm here?

hmm what time??

I went in practice flight ...lol

1 x-11

1 Bird

1 CBR1000

1 zx10

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Yo mates....

got some Harley merchandise (Wallet & Tshirt) to let go, RJAYS Octance Mesh Jacket & Shark Helmet

do take a look at my thread....

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/316088-RJAYS-Octane-Mesh-Jacket-Shark-Helmet-H-D-Wallet-amp-T-Shirt

Edited February 27, 2011 by stwb1981

Confused · February 27, 2011

wah i ask one question then like wild fire

Anyway the questions here why de-link

So far noone has axctually come up with a good reason

Allow me to explain

The BB comnes with twin 3 port callpiers at the front and one 3 port calliper at the year

The reason why the bore of the brake pump is smaller is because, Honda planned for all 6 rotors to stop

the bike when needed with diffrent percentages depending on the pressure and speed

Hence the original pumps were not required to to be as powerful as say something from a busa of Ninja

now when we delink, we are using direct hoses from the pump to the callipers

But instead of a total of 6 upfront there is only 4 working without the help from the back

Incidentally only 2 instead of 3 is working at the back as well

So when Honda designed all 9 ports to be working in unison to bring the big heavy chunk of metal

to a stop, u are effectively bringing the same metal chunk to stop with only 6 ports in total

something the brake pump or the callipers are not designed to do

Now having de-linked for whatever reason or advise, what is the next step?

The next step would be to get a better brake pump, Brembo, busa watever AND better callipers

becuase no matter what pump u use, you are still effectively stopping with 4 ports upfront which is

no way safe for the weight and speed of the bike.. Havenbet u all noticed the callipers actually look puny

compared to other monster bikes.. An ideal set up of course would be to change the pump, callipers to a full floating 6 port callipers and

oversized discs.. Then u have something worth talking abt

Coming back to the original questions why do ppl de-link, it either seems that they were advised by a freind who has done it, a reputable mech/shop or the lack of funds. Getting a new set of steel braided cables are cheap for the CBS. Its about 600 incld shipping (taking inflation into account). but many shopos and mec h offer a cheaper alternative of de-linking at less than 500/-. I think what the mechs fail to tell you is the extra costs involved in making the bike stop properly as for the reasons I have stated in earlier paragraphs. Most of you guys will know how much it takes to intall Brembos or enhanced pumps... So my questions is are we riders gettinbg well informed information from our trusted friends and mechs or are these mechs and shops promoting de-linkinbg as means of getting more busibness by pushing their aftermarket products. Again are these pplk taking the easy way out of de-linking because they do not have the skills to actually bleed a CBS system and hence condemn is as useless

I agree with Greysnail and Jimmy that as the end of the day its our money and we have the right to see fit how we spend it. Bujt just because we individually spend obsecene amounts of money on upgrading gadgets, dont make that the best solution for the bike. What we need to do as BB riders is explain and undertsand how the bike works and share our knowledge for the benifit of other riders. Make well informed suggestions and offer two sides of the coins.. From there the person asking will be able to make a better informed judgement rather than one that is motivated by cheapness or bling bling

If money is really no object allow me to give the best solution

Get the steel braided hoses online for full CBS

Buy the brembo pumps

go to a famous Honda shop aka Boon Siew

let their mechs work wonders and professionally bleed ure BB

Ull have one hell of a braking system and still keep the CBS

Confused · February 27, 2011

**** happened sometimes and its unavoidable. Happily flying at 200++ km/h nothing happens but riding at 80km/h or even slower you crashed.
So in this case to blame the rider or the brakes system? ( Sorry IC... just taking you as a example )

Wahhhh use me as an example

Okie there were 2 other BB riders who saw me crash infront of their eyes

I crashed not because of my skill nor becuase of thre brakes

I crashed because a 19 yo P plate wanker who was dunnoe doing what with his gf decided to make an illegal U turn

in a 14 footer lorry without checking what was on the other side

Even if I was driving the Evo with Brembo or AP brakes I would have crashed

The braking distance was less than 20m when he swerved out

I never blamed the bike or myself for the accident

**** happens. Im just glad I did what I did and walked to the ambulance rather than have all my frens see me covered in a white sheet along the road with my skull and face imprinted at the metal bars below the lorry

Confused · February 27, 2011

Btw jimmyzee u owe me big time for last night u slut

Confused · February 27, 2011

but if my mech & meng tong were to say to delink for better bite...hmmm.... then i should take their advice or??

I go ask Meng tong on why to delink or not...
See what he say...
I think he is the best man for the job I believe...
from there, mayb we can find out more info...?

Well bro we cant stop u from listening to ure mech
There are alot of famous mechs in singapore
meng tong is of course one of them
As like all other popular mechs
some say they damn good, some say they crap
If ure comfy with ure mech and have full confidence in the advise he gives u
go for it.....
But im sure many here would have their own versions of who is actually the best BB maech in Singapore LOL
and best thing is all of themn arfe diffrent ppl LOL

jimmyzee · February 27, 2011

Aiyoh... zac zac zac...

Wat you talking and why are you getting so sensitive? Are you very sure that money needn't involve to execute technical issue? I quoted Bro Ramesh as an example just trying to tell my fellow comrades out here that **** happens anytime, be it how experience you are! Not the matter how good ur braking system are!

Uncle Jimmy aka Ah Beng here just only own 1 old old old BB, not richer than Mr Zac aka the Paki Koala bear who is owning so many assets...

Nobody will be so stupid to just change or modify the original if its not faulty at all... its not about how rich you are... Safety can't be compromise!

How many mech out there can service the CBS confidently like the manufacturer? I, myself had been to how many shops for this CBS repair? but the problem keep coming back after awhile. Its just a cheaper and faster options suggested to us and that is to de-link compare to the time and cost sending in our BB into BS.

Of cos, upgraded to Brembo is having a little cash to spare pampering ourselves, end of the day it still sell-able as 2nd hand or transferable to your next ride. I regards this as an investment...

Contributing some safety advises for our fellow comrades whom had already de-linked are really appreciated but dun post kinda wet blanket comments.

Like I said, de-linking is due to CBS faulty and may be a cheaper repair cost or maybe up to individual rider needs.

Anyway Bros no hard feelings for what i said, as I'm just stating the true fact that I'm experiencing...

Seeya guys and gals soon for our next ride...

jimmyzee · February 27, 2011

Btw jimmyzee u owe me big time for last night u slut

IC... I sent you a apologize sms last night bro... I thought as a Christian will be gracious?? dun like that lah bro.... i buy you dinner the next time round ok?

Confused · February 27, 2011

IC... I sent you a apologize sms last night bro... I thought as a Christian will be gracious?? dun like that lah bro.... i buy you dinner the next time round ok?

KNNZ play religion

I want my buffet

whyzee · February 27, 2011

Wah. What happened when I was gone. Sorry bros, Ive been MIA for quite long cos very bz w work n gonna do part time studies soon...

Anyway, for this heated argument. As one of e guys who delinked... Heres my opinion: with delinked n brembo, brake power realled increased. I cant comment on without e master pump.. Got it from day one..

Very honestly, for street riding, i think cbs is indeed pretty good. Y i delink is cos some brake hose already corroding, n indeed as wat Jimmy said, there's really not much shop here confident of fixing e cbs. So, I rather mod it to a simpler system for easy troubleshooting.

Now w e regular brake system, its good too. Jus like normal bike lor, m good for playing corners..

For e regards of e pumps being ex.. Yes, both clutch n brake costed me 1k, but its fine, cos they r going to follow me to every bike Im gonna change to in e future.

However, if theres a shop now whois confident of doing a steel braided cbs for me, i will do it.. Let me know if any bros find a shop like that..

penyu · February 27, 2011

Wahhhh cbs here mod here fly here....all i can say is the cbs is the greatest thing tht the bb have.....mod so much also if dnt know what is it for or make full use of the modification is what i say waste of money....read the forums from other countries n learn from there....at least i know i made full use of my bb and it sure run damn fast.....proven n tested....but now i say is lets all convert to offroad n enjoy it like i am now.....muahahahahaha....my two cents tot only brothers.......the slow penyu always

Confused · February 27, 2011

Wahhhh cbs here mod here fly here....all i can say is the cbs is the greatest thing tht the bb have.....mod so much also if dnt know what is it for or make full use of the modification is what i say waste of money....read the forums from other countries n learn from there....at least i know i made full use of my bb and it sure run damn fast.....proven n tested....but now i say is lets all convert to offroad n enjoy it like i am now.....muahahahahaha....my two cents tot only brothers.......the slow penyu always

HAHAHAHAH Welcome to the dark side

Im playing this sat..... Sunday is Race day

stwb1981 · February 27, 2011

Wow gt a better idea on cbs finally....

thanks for the advices...

all birds have their points...

I strongly agree on 1 point would be the level of mech we have regarding cbs....

it is not a easy system to bleed that is for sure...

Going to the agent would be a good way to solve it but the booking appt ting is another issue altogether...lol

for my case since I indirect or directly started the agurement on cbs...

my bird is oso 1 old bird...

Reg in Jan 97... almost everything is stock....

esp the CBS with rubber hoses....

Imagine a 13+yrs old bike with rubber hoses is a CONFIRM no no....

I have a x11 close kaki of mine still using cbs but it goodridge steel braided...

I wonder how long he has last bleed the system ...lol well due to the fact that the level of mech we have in sg...lol

Well for me as long it stop & bite, to me consider a good braking system...lol

I'm a guy who bleed my system regulary (3 mths) once to prevent corrossion esp to the pump kit....

it does not cost much but it is 1 thing we riders usually forget...

but wif the cbs it not a easy system to bleed....

Maybe I taking the "shortcut" way but let me see if the delink flunk my test (hopefully i'm still ard to tell the tale...lol) I will get rid of it & change to the steel braided cbs...

BTW delink delink...

how many hoses are actually involved??

UM say it a 6 hoses kit

my mech say it a 3 hoses kit by Hel....

this is 1 big noob to me....

Anyone care to enlighten...?

also juz to check the stock clutch pump on bird isit 14mm??

tinking of getting a zx14 stock clutch pump which is a 16mm....

no more $$$ to buy liao...hahaha

concentrate on handling & control 1st....haha

there is a crashed Bird (FI) over at bikewerk...

if any one want to salvage any parts can go there...

mostly stock....

crash in front so front part can forget it....

i salvage a CF rear hugger there ...lol

the radiator sadly dun fit my bird....

Anyone gt any 97 to 98 meter set to spare??

mine is in pretty bad condition....

Ebay no results.....

Edited February 27, 2011 by stwb1981

varadero8212 · February 28, 2011

Aiyoh... zac zac zac...

Wat you talking and why are you getting so sensitive? Are you very sure that money needn't involve to execute technical issue? I quoted Bro Ramesh as an example just trying to tell my fellow comrades out here that **** happens anytime, be it how experience you are! Not the matter how good ur braking system are!

Uncle Jimmy aka Ah Beng here just only own 1 old old old BB, not richer than Mr Zac aka the Paki Koala bear who is owning so many assets...

What am i talking? You cannot read ah?

Like i said, somebody asked whether delink good or not, i answer lah

Sometimes you will be shocked that technical issues dun require that much thinking or monry to solve bro

and whats this about assets bro?? i never mentioned money or assets or anything monetary about myself what bro

Why are you even going there?

Its a simple question, Delink good or not and you had to mention its a modification and if you got a bit of money, why not?

This is a public forum mr jimmy pang, and also where we share advise,,,,like i said, i have never owned a BB, but i sure know the system...

Even the gurus of the bird agree its not advisable to delink.....

Well, whats done is done, whats said is said,,,, including calling me a PAKI KOALA BEAR,,,

screw all that, if you cant take the truth about the imptance of the CBS, then its not me thats being sensitive dude.... hahah

Another thing will be the Hatyai trip next month, Miss VirPandora and Zesture bro, is this happening or is it another hot air balloon?

greysnail · February 28, 2011

Wat a happy family this is.....

As for the wreck bike at Bikewerks,i oredi book the oil cooler oredi.Any way wats up with ur meter?

varadero8212 · February 28, 2011

hahhahah, its sure is....

whyzee · February 28, 2011

Another thing will be the Hatyai trip next month, Miss VirPandora and Zesture bro, is this happening or is it another hot air balloon?

bro, I think its happening for Virpandora. I'm not joining u guys as I've already joined a group to Koh Samui from 7-19 April...

jimmyzee · February 28, 2011

Wat a happy family this is.....

As for the wreck bike at Bikewerks,i oredi book the oil cooler oredi.Any way wats up with ur meter?

Indeed it is bro... Its a happy family... I must say if you wanna poke others make sure you can tahan the poking back... ahahaha:)

Bro GS... so how many percent completed for your bird? When the expected date for the road touching ceremony? Waiting for you to be ready quite awhile already... Those old devils given up their birdies... only left you...

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