Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[Smack76]

guys....just wanna ask, anyonehave ever use Delphi EO 10w/50? How was it? Its cheap $18 per bottle...

[hachi]

Why are we unable yo use F-Syn oil for bike that has wet clutch?

 

I believe this is not what he meant.....Fully syn is one thing and the additives in it is another.....So dont mix them together.....

For JASO certification is an independent testing certification for motorcycle oil. In fact not many oil have this certification if you looked closely...

 

Rule of thumb not to use fully syn car oil that have too much fuel conservation additive in it that works against our wet clutch..

Any motorcycle from good brands you will be fine.....

 

Try Cheesa fully syn only $15 per bottle....Have been using it for 2 oil change...Cheap and good.....Made in Germany and 100% fully syn as stated on the bottle....

[Smack76]

I believe this is not what he meant.....Fully syn is one thing and the additives in it is another.....So dont mix them together.....

For JASO certification is an independent testing certification for motorcycle oil. In fact not many oil have this certification if you looked closely...

 

Rule of thumb not to use fully syn car oil that have too much fuel conservation additive in it that works against our wet clutch..

Any motorcycle from good brands you will be fine.....

 

Try Cheesa fully syn only $15 per bottle....Have been using it for 2 oil change...Cheap and good.....Made in Germany and 100% fully syn as stated on the bottle....

 

 

Thank you..........

[racingter]

guys....just wanna ask, anyonehave ever use Delphi EO 10w/50? How was it? Its cheap $18 per bottle...

 

 

used b4......on my st 11...not bad......low temp also...

[Smack76]

used b4......on my st 11...not bad......low temp also...

 

Thanks...........this is my first time using it....

[AhDidi]

any recommendation for r1 04 ?? thanks alot:cheeky: cos still new to r1:cheer:

[Smack76]

any recommendation for r1 04 ?? thanks alot:cheeky: cos still new to r1:cheer:

 

Maxima Extra 15/50............Super good

[AhDidi]

Maxima Extra 15/50............Super good

 

noted noted thanks alot =)

[Kwijibo]

I'm looking for german reliability ... Anyone using OWS products ? EO ?

[Smack76]

I'm looking for german reliability ... Anyone using OWS products ? EO ?

 

I had used their engine flush before before changing my EO , good product as when draining of the old eo some sludge appear on the pan.........

[DaN zI]

from wat i heard from bike shop mine bike rvf old bike shld use 15 - 50 . but i heard another mech say 10-40 thinner good for whackin. if i wanna whack often one shld i use 10-40 insteaD?maxima or 300v? lol

[servoprax]

Although there is no hard and fast rule as to which oil to use, the type of bike usage normally commands the type of oil to be used.

 

The common perception is that for touring : high viscosity oil is used. For racing : Low viscosity.

 

However, different oil of varying brands react differently at times when used in the same engine. This could be due to the type of additives found in each oil.

 

Age and service intervals of an engine also play a part at times. As such, the best oil in my opinion would be one that delivers the closest performance to the intended usage.

[Wormz]

Is there any websites besides Fuchs where we can order engine oil online?

[joajas]

This has been posted before a few years back, but I think this report is quite interesting to read.

 

http://www.synthetic-oil-tech.com/MC%20White%20paper-g2156.pdf

 

Read it with a pinch of salt. Test is generated for Amsoil.

 

:cheers:

[ktk]

imho red line 5w40 and castrol POWER 1 RACING ae hot items in taiwan.

 

motul and maxima is outrageously ex in TW too at nearly 30-35 per litre.

 

oil needs to be warmed up to be smooth , i choose 5W for short trips cuz 10W needs ard 5-10mins to warm up.

 

40 and 50 is the thickness of the oil film , 40 being thinner , less protection but better FC and 50 thicker and more protectionbut worse FC .

 

thats MHO.

[Smack76]

Any comments on OWS 5w/60?.. The new EO

[299]

anyone has tried using EO above 5000km, engine still feeling smooth?

[Nicholas88]

Maxima Extra 15/50............Super good

 

 

May I know where can I get this oil and how much will it cost?

[Max123]

Edited June 11, 2009 by Max123

[joehani]

Motorcycle Motor Oil

by Mike Guillory

 

This article was written by Mike Guillory and he has curmudgeonedly allowed me to post it here. I think it offers an excellent perspective and discussion on oil! It certainly has helped to shape my opinion on this complex subject. And to frequent visitors, this article was updated in June 2002.

 

Brief Introduction

Along with keeping things adjusted properly, using a good quality motor oil and changing it regularly is the key ingredient to keeping your motorcycle running happily for a long time. You cannot go wrong using one of the various "motorcycle-specific" oils, now available also from some of the major oil companies. However, many motorcyclists object to the higher prices of those oils and for convenience prefer to buy oil at their local automotive supply store, which is a still a good option. This article will provide you with information to make an informed choice.

Price of Motor Oil

So how do you make an intelligent choice? Will $1.00 a quart automotive oil work okay or do you need to pay $4 to $12 a quart for "motorcycle" oil? You have to answer that question yourself, but here are a few facts to help you make the best decision for your situation.

The owner's manual of your motorcycle probably says something very similar to the following:

Use only high detergent, premium quality motor oil certified to meet API Service Classification SF or SG (shown on container). The use of additives is unnecessary and will only increase operating expenses. Do not use oils with graphite or molybdenum additives as they may adversely affect clutch operation." That's pretty clear. But what do you do since automotive oils now say on the container "meets SL Service?" That's easy! By consensus of the API and the manufacturers, the current SL classification meet all requirements of SF, SG, SH, and SJ plus all earlier API gasoline categories. The current SL actually offers some additional benefits over the older classifications. So, if the motorcycle requirement says "SG", be confident that "SL" indeed meets that requirement.

The Vanishing Zinc and Phosphorous

It is a fact than many SL oils now contain lower levels of ZDDP (the zinc/phosphorous extreme pressure additive) and that is a big concern to a lot of motorcyclists. ZDDP is a last resort protection against metal-to-metal contact. Whereas a few years ago the zinc level was typically 0.12% to 0.15% in SG automobile oils, some SL oils now have as little as 0.05%. However, this in itself may not be a problem since normal operation of a motorcycle on the street would never result in metal-to-metal contact any more than it would in your automobile. Remember these SL oils meet the most demanding protection requirements of modern, high-reving, powerful 4-stroke automobile engines (among others). And there is no reason to believe the lubrication requirements of street motorcycles is measurably different.

However, if you race you probably need higher levels of ZDDP and should use appropriate oils or ZDDP additives.

NEW Motorcycle Oils

Seeing an opportunity to bridge this perceived gap between motorcycle oils and automotive oils, many traditional oil marketers like Castrol, Mobil, Pennzoil, Quaker State, and Valvoline now sell their own "motorcycle" oils at very competitive prices, and alongside their automotive oils. I have found them at several of my local autoparts stores and even at one WalMart store. Call or visit the auto supply stores in your area and ask. Even if they don't routinely stock them, they probably can order a case for you at substantial savings because their mark-up is generally quite a bit less than motorcycle shops.

Although not a motorcycle oil, oils with the designation "Racing Oil" are not intended for street use, generally meets "SG" requirements and has somewhat higher levels of additives, like ZDDP. An example is Valvoline's VR1 Racing oil available in 20w50 weight. These should work fine in our motorcycles.

Energy-Conserving Oils

Some are concerned that the new "energy-conserving" motor oils may have "friction modifiers" which will cause clutch slippage. Since that is a legitimate concern it is best to use only oils which are NOT "energy-conserving for motorcycles with wet clutches." Read the back of the container. It clearly identifies this.

 

In general, only the very lighter oils, like 10w30, 10w20, 5w20, are energy-conserving.

 

All 5w40, 5w50, 10w40, 15w40, 15w50, and 20w50 oils which I have found are not energy-conserving and can be recommended for general motorcycle use.

 

It is commonly mis-stated that "SJ and SL oils have friction modifiers which will cause wet clutch slippage." In reality, all oils have friction modifiers, that's how they work. ZDDP itself is a friction modifier. The real issue is to avoid getting the friction so low, with very thin oils containing extra amounts of friction modifiers, that clutches will slip under normal use. Stay away from energy conserving oils and you should be fine, if your clutch is in good working order.

Synthetic or Conventional

What about synthetic vs. semi-synthetic vs. "dino" oils? All motor oils have several special additives formulated into the oil to protect from corrosion and wear, plus detergents to keep combustion products in the oil. For normal (non-extreme) use, "dino" oils protect as well as the synthetic oils. However, if you plan to race, run at extremely high temperatures, or plan to extend oil-change intervals, or simply want the best, then a synthetic or semi-synthetic may be your best choice.

Real World Test Results

Are there any "real world" examples of long motorcycle engine life using automotive oils? There is a good one in the June 1996 issue of Sport Rider magazine in a report called the "100,000 mile Honda CBR900RR." The owner used conventional Castrol GTX oil, 10W40 in the winter, 20W50 in the summer. He changed it every 4,000 miles, changing the filter every OTHER oil change. No valve clearance adjustments were required after the initial one at 16,000 miles. And a dyno test against the same model with only 6,722 miles showed torque and horsepower virtually identical. The 100,000 mile bike was even used for some racing. In a subsequent follow-up, the same CBR had passed 200,000 miles and was still going strong! Plus, many motorcyclists have emailed me with their very positive results using nothing but automotive oils for years in a variety of rides. Oils have changed over the past 10 years, but that just means we need to be more careful in our choices.

 

Frequency Asked Questions

What is a reasonable oil-change interval?

 

Most manuals recommend not to exceed 8,000 miles after break-in. But short-trip riding is considered severe service and the most common oil change interval is 3,000 to 4,000 miles. However, a long trip is the easiest service for the oil and going 6,000 to 8,000 miles between changes while on a cross-country ride is routine. Also, the use of synthetic oils can easily double the oil-change interval.

 

Will changing the oil even more frequently, like every 1,000 miles, prolong the life of the engine?

 

Not very likely, because even at 3,000 to 4,000 miles, the oil and additives are not degraded very much. Changing more often just wastes money.

 

What about the claims that motorcycle-specific oils contain "special polymers which are resistant to breakdown caused by motorcycle transmissions?

 

Oils usually require the addition of polymers, called VI improvers, to create a multi-viscosity oil, like 10W-40. Whether it is a motorcycle oil or an automotive oil, all polymers are subject to some degradation in the transmission. Full synthetic oils tend to have less polymer than conventional oils and therefore degrade less.

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Thank you, altho' most of the context are jiberish. I only concluded that the ones that i have been using is not energy-conserving and can be recommended for general motorcycle use.

Even EO also affect Clutch.

[299]

anyone knows where to get AMSOIL products?

[dean_pedrosa]

anyone knows where to get AMSOIL products?

 

HKL..

Tachyon Motors....

 

or you could contact the distributor himself..

he sells much lower directly...

but of course.. changing the EO urself..

[299]

HKL..

Tachyon Motors....

 

or you could contact the distributor himself..

he sells much lower directly...

but of course.. changing the EO urself..

 

I thought the distributor usually sells much higher than the shops?

[tiMeMac]

Anyone using Shogun engine oil?

[bustop]

Anyone using Shogun engine oil?

 

shogun got eo for bike ah? from wad i knw for cars..bike not sure