Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[Isopropyl]

Hello,My bike is hitting 1000km soon i confused abt new bike engine oil so much and so many brand can u guys recommend me what type of engine oil can i change for new engine break in?Now IM riding FZ150I.Thank

 

you mean you have been riding the factory fill oil for 1000km?

 

guys here know what is my recommendation:) HDEO is my posion.

[naim]

definitely suggest changing ur EO a.s.a.p bro.. during running in, alot of metal particles can float ard and potentially damage ur engine..

 

and yep.. join the HDEO club! cheap n good!

[nightman82000]

you mean you have been riding the factory fill oil for 1000km?

 

guys here know what is my recommendation:) HDEO is my posion.

 

Yes,I read the manual and it say to change at 1000km and also the bike shop where I purchase it said the same thing, now confused?haha so guys what u recommend for the engine oil?and what is HDEO?it is good to send back to HL(bike agent) to do servicing?noob man first time riding new bike 4stroke some more.Help pls.Thank you.

[Isopropyl]

Yes,I read the manual and it say to change at 1000km and also the bike shop where I purchase it said the same thing, now confused?haha so guys what u recommend for the engine oil?and what is HDEO?it is good to send back to HL(bike agent) to do servicing?noob man first time riding new bike 4stroke some more.Help pls.Thank you.

 

some believe most of the run-in occur after running the bike for 20-50km. that is when lots of metal shaving is been deposed into the oil. also when the engine is been assemble, there might still be some metal particule left on the parts so to play safe, it will be good to flush them out as early as posible. i sure follow the manual is also quite safe as the engineer should know what they are recommending. we are just giving our best for the engine since an oil change is quite a small investment.

 

HDEO stand for Heavy Duty Engine Oil. it is engine oil mean for diesel engine or we simply call it lorry oil. as it have properties that is excellent for bike engine, riders use it with confidence. it is also extremely value for money. a 5L bottle cost about $30 plus in malaysia. in country like America it is quite popular among biker for it value and performance. unfortunately, it have not caught up locally.

 

if you want bike specific oil, any decent synthetic oil will serve you well. during break-in period, just choose some cheap mineral oil will do. in the end, regardless of brand, the change inteval is much more important then what brand of oil you are using unless you mod your engine or redline your bike often, then it will be better to choose some high-end oil. otherwise, there should be no different. in these days, you will be hard pressed to find a lousy oil. of course, not including $3 uncle oil:faint:

 

basic service most motortiam should should be able to a good job.

[nightman82000]

Thank you so much for the great information that you guys have giving me,will do the changing of engine oil asap.

[muzaffar]

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[Isopropyl]

OWS use for R1 2005..? issit good..?

 

should be a decent oil. it seem to be a company that rebrand some OEM engine oil from germany and market as their own just like chex 9000 which is being suspected to be from the same OEM.

 

personally i rather get brand like amsoil, motul, mobil etc if buying motorcycle specific oil.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Thanks to @Lexanez I now have access to HDEO at low, low Malaysian prices. Rimula R3X gives a rather different feel to the bike and its by no means a disadvantage. The differences are mainly : -

 

1) The capability to idle at stupidly low engine RPMs and almost quiet with no vibrations (this can save fuel - I managed to idle at like, 700rpm instead of 1500 once the oil had warmed up)

 

2) The clutch bites HARD now giving much more efficient driving and higher torque at low RPMs. You could almost dump the clutch and start moving right away, as opposed to high performance bike oils which optimise extreme rev horsepower at the expense of fuel efficiency. A more responsive clutch makes for more efficient hill climbs and very responsive acceleration if you like to accelerate out of corners supermoto style (slipping the clutch deliberately).

 

If you dump the clutch at extremely low RPMs (or wrong gear selected) the engine surprisingly does not sputter and stall as easily. It just keeps biting and pulling. Just like a diesel lol.

 

3) Rimula R3X is absurdly cheap compared to good motorcycle oils and as far as I'm concerned, anything capable of surviving extreme-duty loads in a heavy vehicle, or used to cool a 150,000 RPM turbocharger, is more than good enough for a motorcycle. This is one oil that actually improves wet-clutch performance, which even in the world of JASO-MA spec motorcycle tailored oils, is a very rare thing.

 

I might ride a lowly single cylinder 4 stroke 2B bike but...

Those of you who have rode with me on big bike convoys might notice I exceed 10,000rpm on a regular basis since I'm usually tactical commander or sweeper and convoys are run at Class 2A speeds.

 

Risks? None whatsoever. Bikers in Australia, the USA, and even in Malaysia swear by HDEO. (check out Slackrider forums in Malaysia). Or just ask your resident experts like @Isopropyl in this thread.

 

Edited August 22, 2011 by Pandora's Kitten :3

[gutripper]

Thanks to @Lexanez I now have access to HDEO at low, low Malaysian prices. Rimula R3X gives a rather different feel to the bike and its by no means a disadvantage. The differences are mainly : -

 

1) The capability to idle at stupidly low engine RPMs and almost quiet with no vibrations (this can save fuel - I managed to idle at like, 700rpm instead of 1500 once the oil had warmed up)

 

2) The clutch bites HARD now giving much more efficient driving and higher torque at low RPMs. You could almost dump the clutch and start moving right away, as opposed to high performance bike oils which optimise extreme rev horsepower at the expense of fuel efficiency. A more responsive clutch makes for more efficient hill climbs and very responsive acceleration if you like to accelerate out of corners supermoto style (slipping the clutch deliberately).

 

If you dump the clutch at extremely low RPMs (or wrong gear selected) the engine surprisingly does not sputter and stall as easily. It just keeps biting and pulling. Just like a diesel lol.

 

3) Rimula R3X is absurdly cheap compared to good motorcycle oils and as far as I'm concerned, anything capable of surviving extreme-duty loads in a heavy vehicle, or used to cool a 150,000 RPM turbocharger, is more than good enough for a motorcycle. This is one oil that actually improves wet-clutch performance, which even in the world of JASO-MA spec motorcycle tailored oils, is a very rare thing.

 

I might ride a lowly single cylinder 4 stroke 2B bike but...

Those of you who have rode with me on big bike convoys might notice I exceed 10,000rpm on a regular basis since I'm usually tactical commander or sweeper and convoys are run at Class 2A speeds.

 

Risks? None whatsoever. Bikers in Australia, the USA, and even in Malaysia swear by HDEO. (check out Slackrider forums in Malaysia). Or just ask your resident experts like @Isopropyl in this thread.

 

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Really a very interesting read. Wow....it must be quite something to idle at 700rpm! Mine will just probably die at anything below 1k. Can all types of bikes take advantage of this oil to improve and enhance their performance as compared to other good motorcycling oils?

[BLACK COMET]

Thanks to @Lexanez I now have access to HDEO at low, low Malaysian prices. Rimula R3X gives a rather different feel to the bike and its by no means a disadvantage. The differences are mainly : -

 

1) The capability to idle at stupidly low engine RPMs and almost quiet with no vibrations (this can save fuel - I managed to idle at like, 700rpm instead of 1500 once the oil had warmed up)

 

2) The clutch bites HARD now giving much more efficient driving and higher torque at low RPMs. You could almost dump the clutch and start moving right away, as opposed to high performance bike oils which optimise extreme rev horsepower at the expense of fuel efficiency. A more responsive clutch makes for more efficient hill climbs and very responsive acceleration if you like to accelerate out of corners supermoto style (slipping the clutch deliberately).

 

If you dump the clutch at extremely low RPMs (or wrong gear selected) the engine surprisingly does not sputter and stall as easily. It just keeps biting and pulling. Just like a diesel lol.

 

3) Rimula R3X is absurdly cheap compared to good motorcycle oils and as far as I'm concerned, anything capable of surviving extreme-duty loads in a heavy vehicle, or used to cool a 150,000 RPM turbocharger, is more than good enough for a motorcycle. This is one oil that actually improves wet-clutch performance, which even in the world of JASO-MA spec motorcycle tailored oils, is a very rare thing.

 

I might ride a lowly single cylinder 4 stroke 2B bike but...

Those of you who have rode with me on big bike convoys might notice I exceed 10,000rpm on a regular basis since I'm usually tactical commander or sweeper and convoys are run at Class 2A speeds.

 

Risks? None whatsoever. Bikers in Australia, the USA, and even in Malaysia swear by HDEO. (check out Slackrider forums in Malaysia). Or just ask your resident experts like @Isopropyl in this thread.

 

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I used mobil delvac 1 in the odlen days. like the oil alot. but when it rise to 37 per liter. I give up.

 

Meow. Take note on low idling. oil gear pump needs a a certain rpm to pump oil to cam effectively. Too low, u might kanna oil starvation at cams area.

[naim]

great to hear another phantom hv joined the HDEO club! haha! bro.. u using which grade of Rimula R3X? 15W40 or 15W50? cux the ones in local shell stations are 15W50.. while the 4L bottles in Giant is 15W40...

 

btw, i dun tink our bikes can go 10,000 rpm ryt? i have digital tachometer on my phantom n the max i can go is 7k rpm = 135-140 km/h on our meter... but still, its a good oil ryt? and cheap as well!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

great to hear another phantom hv joined the HDEO club! haha! bro.. u using which grade of Rimula R3X? 15W40 or 15W50? cux the ones in local shell stations are 15W50.. while the 4L bottles in Giant is 15W40...

 

btw, i dun tink our bikes can go 10,000 rpm ryt? i have digital tachometer on my phantom n the max i can go is 7k rpm = 135-140 km/h on our meter... but still, its a good oil ryt? and cheap as well!

 

 

15W40 for this one. I prefer the -40 weight for faster acceleration and higher revs (less pumping drag). Phantom has no rev limiter so the sky (and your lubrication) is the limit. I hit the "10k barrier" during low-medium speed acceleration to overtake, and not at top gear. This bike is tuned for acceleration not top speed.

 

There are several variants of Rimula, I'm using R3X which is the standard one, there is also R3X-LM which is fully synthetic and designed for longer oil change intervals. Claimed to resist acid and deposit formation better. This would be the choice for newer bikes but don't use on your old bike as the higher detergent levels may clean it too well, leading to loss of compression. Therefore, 3X is the choice for me.

 

Check out the whole Rimula product range here:

 

http://www.shell.com.au/home/content/aus/products_services/solutions_for_businesses/lubricants/transport_lubricants/heavy_duty/hd_lubricants_range_shell_rimula.html

[Isopropyl]

15W40 usually is much more shear stable then 20W50 and most 10W40 also:) a good choice for bike.

 

great to know HDEO is picking up here. cheers.

[Isopropyl]

Really a very interesting read. Wow....it must be quite something to idle at 700rpm! Mine will just probably die at anything below 1k. Can all types of bikes take advantage of this oil to improve and enhance their performance as compared to other good motorcycling oils?

 

a top high end EO will likely give you better performance. i will say the performance improve compare to HDEO will be hardly noticeable even with dyno test. remember in racing circuit where bike using 10wt oil only gain a few percentage improment at high rpm compare to 40wt.

 

such improment will be even be less for daily usage. HDEO allow same or even better protection for engine at much better value.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Working out the cost of Rimula R3X at 70 ringgit for 5 litres, even in the worst of cases a hot running air cooled bike like a DR200 or Phantom can use that same canister of oil for up to 12,000kms or more assuming OCI of 2000 to 2500kms.

 

Converting from RM to SGD the cost per litre is $6.30, night unbeatable value. It's great for persons who ride dispatch or stress their bikes heavily because you have the option of frequent oil changes without a hole in the wallet. For bikes with oil filters such as Yamaha Spark and S4, the value for money rating is even better.

 

The fully synthetic Rimula 6 LM would be the superior choice for newer, high performance bikes.

 

There is one other benefit of HDEO if you care to read up a bit on heavy vehicle oil specifications - the oil has some sort of extreme pressure additives and is designed to protect hard-worked valvetrains and transmissions. Instead of specially buying gear oil for these special additives (for 2 stroke bike transmissions), HDEO can fulfill the same protective needs for a gearbox at a much lower price.

 

Day 2 of running HDEO - I'm loving the punchy low end torque and easy, sharp clutch engagement. Valvetrain is also much quieter on a cold start. (My bike being a "scrapyard" level machine when I bought it, has a noisy valvetrain and clutch by default and only a handful of expensive bike oils succeed in cushioning the noise).

[nbk3]

Ups for your review, indeed a interesting read.

[Isopropyl]

i will very much love to use Delo 400 or Delvac MX. but i have some Castrol lorry oil FOC which should last me 6-7 oil change. it only CH4/SG rated and likely to be group I base oil but nothing beat free oil isn't it:)

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

HDEO (Rimula R3X 15W-40 from Malaysia)

Endurance test

 

Operating a motorcycle convoy involves extended bursts of high acceleration; you need to sprint to put convoys back together (sweeping) if they ever get broken in half, sometimes you need to overtake the whole convoy on short notice to intervene in heavy traffic and when nearing suspicious sites on the road.

 

Usually the major SBF convoys use 400cc and above bikes for convoy appointment holders. Using a 2B for the task guarantees that you have to rely on a good engine oil... for maximum horsepower throughout the convoy ops. An engine oil that can't withstand prolonged heavy duty use will break down during the mission leading to an overheated engine and poor performance.

 

I'm pleased and very, very surprised to report that Rimula R3X delivered consistent performance throughout! The engine was smooth and quiet all the way, delivering punchy low to midrange torque regardless of operating conditions. No oil consumption so far.

 

No wonder so many American motorcycle enthusiasts swear by HDEO :3 Why pay $30 per litre?

 

Route & convoy for HDEO local endurance test... excluding rushing to meeting point after work, going home after that, etc. About 11 continuous hours of riding (6pm to 5am) that night:

[video=youtube;jjJ-iPv4g9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjJ-iPv4g9k

[revhappy]

The R3X sounds interesting! Although its slightly pricier in Singapore(47$ for 4 Ltr Can in Giant), its still worth it.

The Motul 5100 in my phantom is doing a good job so far. It has been about 700 kms since my oil change and the oil level is still at the top mark of the dip stick. I guess that has more to do with top notch condition of my bike rather than the EO itself.

 

My daily mileage is only like 15kms, so even 2000kms will come after a long long time. So boring have to wait for so long to change the oil

[naim]

The R3X sounds interesting! Although its slightly pricier in Singapore(47$ for 4 Ltr Can in Giant), its still worth it.

The Motul 5100 in my phantom is doing a good job so far. It has been about 700 kms since my oil change and the oil level is still at the top mark of the dip stick. I guess that has more to do with top notch condition of my bike rather than the EO itself.

 

My daily mileage is only like 15kms, so even 2000kms will come after a long long time. So boring have to wait for so long to change the oil

 

hahaha.. y so excited to change oil? ppl usually dont want their OCI to come so soon.. lol.. u can always be kiasu and practice 1000km OCI.. i used to do that.. haha.. pretty nice to have fresh oil in d engine abt every mth...

[fz35s]

Juz to share my experience ... my cb750 rc42 was running Fully Syn motorcycle oil all this while and the max oil temp is slightly more 80 degree Celsius … during night riding.

 

I have decided to change to Fully Syn diesel oil as it is time to change oil.

 

After changing to Fully Syn diesel oil … upon startup … I can hear the tappet sound ticking away.

 

Waiting for a few minutes, the ticking sound went away and I took the bike for a spin.

Gear shifting was ok and engine sound is normal; the previous Gear change before the oil change was better.

 

Went down a stretch of expressway and then to normal road … to my horror … the oil temp went pass 100 degree Celsius. (my bike never touch 90 degree Celsius in the past; during night riding)

 

I head home and sure enuf … I can feel "the heat" when I park my bike.

 

My bike is an air + oil cooled engine … and have a temperature dip stick to monitor my engine temperature.

 

Will be changing back to Fully Syn motorcycle oil asap.

 

For those that insist on HDEO … a word of caution : do consider getting something to monitor the temperature of your engine oil.

Edited August 29, 2011 by fz35s

[naim]

could difference in d oil viscosity play a part? i mean a thinner oil will dissipate d heat better... possibly ur 4T was thinner than ur HDEO?

[revhappy]

Juz to share my experience ... my cb750 rc42 was running Fully Syn motorcycle oil all this while and the max oil temp is slightly more 80 degree Celsius … during night riding.

 

I have decided to change to Fully Syn diesel oil as it is time to change oil.

 

After changing to Fully Syn diesel oil … upon startup … I can hear the tappet sound ticking away.

 

Waiting for a few minutes, the ticking sound went away and I took the bike for a spin.

Gear shifting was ok and engine sound is normal; the previous Gear change before the oil change was better.

 

Went down a stretch of expressway and then to normal road … to my horror … the oil temp went pass 100 degree Celsius. (my bike never touch 90 degree Celsius in the past; during night riding)

 

I head home and sure enuf … I can feel "the heat" when I park my bike.

 

My bike is an air + oil cooled engine … and have a temperature dip stick to monitor my engine temperature.

 

Will be changing back to Fully Syn motorcycle oil asap.

 

For those that insist on HDEO … a word of caution : do consider getting something to monitor the temperature of your engine oil.

 

Can you share with us, the brand and the specifications of the FS diesel oil that you used?

[fz35s]

Can you share with us, the brand and the specifications of the FS diesel oil that you used?

 

http://www.spc.com.sg/resources/File/lubrication/spc_ksyn.pdf