BBDC class 2A issues

[guangwei]

I just tried my first 2A lesson. Plain horrible.

The clutch biting point is extremely high, even though I had 4 rpm throttle, i still must release 80% of my clutch to moves off, the first 1 to 70% means nothing, so it makes no differences whether i release half all or all in when stationary, all the clutch sensitiveness control lies at 80%-100% of the clutch. Clutch control was difficult..maybe way too used to my sp that is average, i used to think my sp have one the highest biting point among other bikes until today..

 

Fuel tank extremely hot, since I was trying to get grip of my biting point, I rev quite a abit occasionally as I have very poor throttle control of the bike.. and about 5 mins after the lesson, my bike was extremely hot and I simply cannot concentrate on my course at all or sit in proper posture, the whole time I'm fidgeting and my and my upper thighs meat are burning. I cant help but spread my leg for 2 seconds after gripping it for 5s. The only time I gripped it more than 5s is during my pylon which was horrible at 6s+ as well as I cant concentrate on my throttle control because everytime I grip my fuel tank, my thighs are burning sensationally, the firmer I gripped the more it burns and burns and I just wobble more and more. especially the right side, I'm kinda lucky as my balls were protected by my brief but the burns really distract me as its really very painful. instructor say all s4 here are like this n i cannot change bike.

 

I failed 2a 1.01. Is there any ways to fix this 2 probs? Can I adjust the clutch myself? And how do I accommodate with the heat prob?? Is there a rubber pad thing I can wear? Or anyone know where I can buy long jeans that are thick are the top portion and thin at the lower portion or something suitable?

 

P.S when I took a bath when I got home, I realise I actually got burnned until my skins comes off and my skin is extremely reddish, touching it hurts badly and I dont think I can continue another lesson and hold on to the burning sensation. My SP never had this problem and its an 11 years old bike. Now I lost 33$ on prac lesson and another 30$ cause just went to see doc to get ointments for first degree burns horrible first s4 experience.

Edited November 23, 2012 by guangwei

[Sky99]

My thigh was damn red when i finished my first 2A lesson too

[slayer2cool]

Heat is normal on a revo. I kpkb to the bbdc instructors also but what to do, bike been programmed to run on lean fuel and its fuel injected. Class 2a and class 2 bikes are slight different than your sp cos it's heavier and needs more power to move and not wobble. It might take a few more lesson but you need to open your throttle more when moving off. Single cyclinder can trot off at low rpm but inline 4s need higher. Trick is to have confidence and don't be scared that you will fall off. Just give it power and don't release your clutch too eagerly.

[guangwei]

Heat is normal on a revo. I kpkb to the bbdc instructors also but what to do, bike been programmed to run on lean fuel and its fuel injected. Class 2a and class 2 bikes are slight different than your sp cos it's heavier and needs more power to move and not wobble. It might take a few more lesson but you need to open your throttle more when moving off. Single cyclinder can trot off at low rpm but inline 4s need higher. Trick is to have confidence and don't be scared that you will fall off. Just give it power and don't release your clutch too eagerly.

 

Eh no all my moving off is 5 to 6 rpm and the instructor is really pissed off with the way i moved off.. only at pylon my needle is below 3. Its the clutch making my moving off hard and i cannot concentrate at all because of painful thigh whenever i grip firmly on the fuel tank. Even if my moving off correct my pylon cfm sucks because my body will instinctively tell me not to grip the fuel tank.. canot control that man until my leg stop burning, if i force myself to grip it and hold onto the pain, my throttle control will be in a mess, and i dont think i can force myself to hold onto the burning for another hour. Main prob is i must lesser the heat and stop myself from fidgeting cause of burning thigh... ://

 

And Idont think possible to get result on pylon if i dont grip my tank.. also main issue. plank still can if i look far without gripping tight just shoulder shake madly.

Edited November 23, 2012 by guangwei

[slayer2cool]

Wear loose fitting jeans helped for me. Though rpm maybe high but clutch release is not enough, bike won't move. Don't worry man, the clutch is definitely heavy. Take a few lesson to get use to it.

[ben1112]

I burned my thighs too. You can try to avoid booking afternoon sessions. Morning or evening.

[f-50evolution]

afternoon lesson will definitely get u burned

[HimQQ]

1. Thicker Jeans.

2. Early morning or late night lessons

3. Get used to the clutch biting point of the bike, in the end, it's not your own bike, but a shared bike.

 

Just my thoughts.

If you can't do it, maybe should give up going for 2A lessons.

Cause class 2 will just be even hotter or harder to control, if you can't adapt yourself to the bike.

[guangwei]

1. Thicker Jeans.

2. Early morning or late night lessons

3. Get used to the clutch biting point of the bike, in the end, it's not your own bike, but a shared bike.

 

Just my thoughts.

If you can't do it, maybe should give up going for 2A lessons.

Cause class 2 will just be even hotter or harder to control, if you can't adapt yourself to the bike.

 

Donno purposely, out of mischief or you must be very very poor in language capability. Here I am looking up for solutions online aggressively even after being demoralised for failing and ur here pulling me down right after i failed my first prac. did i even said i wanna take class 2 yet? like i care if class 2 even more hot when im not even qualified to take it yet nor is it compulsory so dat i can pass 2a

Edited November 23, 2012 by guangwei

[guangwei]

I burned my thighs too. You can try to avoid booking afternoon sessions. Morning or evening.

i book morning/evening the engine will still burn me. how will it make any different? :/

[haodouken]

wow this is interesting. i took my 2A two years back at ubi, was the last batch with the XJR400s before they changed their whole fleet. class 2 was with the fz6.

 

they got pretty hot in the afternoons, but i never thought it was possible to kena until so jialat on a s4. sorry to hear about your burns.

 

@guangwei don't give up. just a guess but the gripping might be due to your anxiety on the bike. try reducing the pressure you put on the tank. while on the move, spread your thighs out a little to let the air circulate. it's about getting comfortable on the bike: pylon and plank really isn't so much about gripping the tank. correct eyeline, maintaining even throttle and steering confidence after passing each cone is much more important.

[yhchoong]

I must say that the S4s at SSDC are no different.

 

I usually came back with burns so bad they blister under the skin at the thigh area, especially right before TP when I did multiple back-to-back self practices. Some of the blisters were so big they were like 2 mm high and a few cm wide, I kid you not. Took over a month to heal. I have a few permanent scars there now.

 

Just persevere on, no reason why you can't pass 2A or even 2 if you've finished 2B. I didn't have a bike after my class 2B, so I didn't ride for a year before going for and passing class 2A.

 

I dropped the literally brand new Revo (it was just a few days after they came into SSDC) the first time I tried to mount. And proceeded to ride with my feet dangling somewhere off the sides because I couldn't frigging find the foot pegs and was busy controlling the clutch and trying not to be intimidated by the S4's power. Threw clutch, strong jerk from engine break, jam break front brakes cause I couldn't find the rear brakes with my feet, then accidentally rev engine to some wild RPM. Instructors yelled at me cause they thought I trying to be joker until they saw I really needed help lol. Felt totally different from the YBR125 I rode a year ago at CDC. Bet even the 2B learners laughed at me.. Everyone else in lesson 1 was riding like a pro already except me

[ki113r]

Don't give up! Endure it

[kifakw]

the clutch is adjustable if you know how to. you might need tools for it though. not all 2A bikes biting points are far away like what you experienced.

 

yes super4 will be rather hot after a while if you are moving at very slow speed and keep revving the engine. it is a norm.

 

it's just your first lesson dont put too much pressure on yourself.

 

initially you will feel that 2a is very heavy and hard to control. once you grab the technique, you can ride the s4 like you're riding sp.

 

as for moving off, try to get a feel of where is the exact biting point, once the bike starts to move off a little (HOLD IT THERE) you can proceed to throttle just a little bit will do, say 2-3 mm of movement on the throttle, releasing the clutch lever 1mm by 1mm too.

[paddlepops]

I had the same problem too, when I went home I found out that there are red marks on my thighs. Maybe it's because I wore a thicker jeans, most of my lessons are session 3 or 4. It's about noon time so it's kinda hot but manageable.

 

I passed by luck and I'm still not use to handling it as it's heavier than 2b bikes. My advice to you is be confident and get use to the clutch. Always remember it's the rider and not the ride. Even though it can be about the ride and not the rider sometimes but others have done it, it means that you can too.

[kelena]

or you can also try changing bikes, until you find one with a clutch that is more manageable?

or you might also want to consider trying to adjust your SP's clutch to make it further and when you ride daily, try getting used to it?

 

also, the extreme heat you felt is also probably due to the consistent revving to 6k rpm when moving off..

 

and yes, thicker jeans will be better..or you can try wearing tights too.

[kelena]

or you can also try changing bikes, until you find one with a clutch that is more manageable?

or you might also want to consider trying to adjust your SP's clutch to make it further and when you ride daily, try getting used to it?

 

also, the extreme heat you felt is also probably due to the consistent revving to 6k rpm when moving off..

 

and yes, thicker jeans will be better..or you can try wearing tights too.

[slayer2cool]

Think quite a number of learners forget how to enjoy themselves and have fun when learning class 2a and class 2. Too engrossed in trying to get it right can just force you to make more mistake. Need to be natural, like how you would ride a bike outside, of course with all the necessary safety check. Trust the bike and you be suprised at how stable the bike can be

[Lexanez]

Took my Class 2A at BBDC, using Spec 3 or Revo but not really sure. One thing for sure though, never had any issues with heat.

 

Clutch is always the issue, even now, when I'm taking my Class 2. Though, I always have my SOG with me so I'm able to use the pilers to adjust the clutch freeplay. Other than that, it is about getting used to it.

 

How I managed the clutch is to tell myself to test it every time before I took the bike. Once I got on the bike, I would engage gear 1 and let the clutch go as far as possible till the bike begin to move slightly forward.

 

Afterwards, I would memorize the position and try to use it to my benefit. After a few rounds, I'm definitely used to it.

 

Never rev the bike before 3k as you'll be doing things wrongly. Extend the clutch lever 1st before you throttle instead of doing both at the same time, you'll realize things are much better.

 

As for the heat, there's a simple solution. Aside from using thicker jeans which you must purchase and mostly useless. I'd use cooler packs, those soft pads that you put on a child's head when they are having fever.

 

Got them from Daiso. Slide it in-between your thighs and jeans and if there is a need, wrap it in a soft cloth so you'll feel more comfy. The only issue is that you might not feel that you are gripping the tank with these pads blocking.

 

Also, try to wear long and thicker socks instead of ankle socks, might help too.

 

I'm speaking from my experiences when I was taking Class 2A at BBDC and currently as I'm taking Class 2 but sans the pads as I find myself able to endure the heat from the CBF600 at SSDC.

[nbk3]

i took my cls2a at bbdc as well. for the crotch heat, i'd make it a point to stop at the water cooler at least twice during my circuit session, to take a sip, and to wet the tank area as well as my jeans inner thigh part. works like a charm

[HimQQ]

Donno purposely, out of mischief or you must be very very poor in language capability. Here I am looking up for solutions online aggressively even after being demoralised for failing and ur here pulling me down right after i failed my first prac. did i even said i wanna take class 2 yet? like i care if class 2 even more hot when im not even qualified to take it yet nor is it compulsory so dat i can pass 2a

Many others have done it before you and me, different genders, different heights, and other factors.

We only have to adapt ourselves to the bike.

If you say the Revo is pretty hot, the previous spec 1s would be even worse.

And for the matter, I stated class 2 because it's really much worse compared to the quite comfortable and nice S4 Revo @ bbdc.

[HimQQ]

Think quite a number of learners forget how to enjoy themselves and have fun when learning class 2a and class 2. Too engrossed in trying to get it right can just force you to make more mistake. Need to be natural, like how you would ride a bike outside, of course with all the necessary safety check. Trust the bike and you be suprised at how stable the bike can be

, but if it rains, it's a whole new ball game that quite suck.

[ludacris10]

Many others have done it before you and me, different genders, different heights, and other factors.

We only have to adapt ourselves to the bike.

If you say the Revo is pretty hot, the previous spec 1s would be even worse.

And for the matter, I stated class 2 because it's really much worse compared to the quite comfortable and nice S4 Revo @ bbdc.

 

good advice!

[Hydher]

I just tried my first 2A lesson. Plain horrible.

The clutch biting point is extremely high, even though I had 4 rpm throttle, i still must release 80% of my clutch to moves off, the first 1 to 70% means nothing, so it makes no differences whether i release half all or all in when stationary, all the clutch sensitiveness control lies at 80%-100% of the clutch. Clutch control was difficult..maybe way too used to my sp that is average, i used to think my sp have one the highest biting point among other bikes until today..

 

Fuel tank extremely hot, since I was trying to get grip of my biting point, I rev quite a abit occasionally as I have very poor throttle control of the bike.. and about 5 mins after the lesson, my bike was extremely hot and I simply cannot concentrate on my course at all or sit in proper posture, the whole time I'm fidgeting and my and my upper thighs meat are burning. I cant help but spread my leg for 2 seconds after gripping it for 5s. The only time I gripped it more than 5s is during my pylon which was horrible at 6s+ as well as I cant concentrate on my throttle control because everytime I grip my fuel tank, my thighs are burning sensationally, the firmer I gripped the more it burns and burns and I just wobble more and more. especially the right side, I'm kinda lucky as my balls were protected by my brief but the burns really distract me as its really very painful. instructor say all s4 here are like this n i cannot change bike.

 

I failed 2a 1.01. Is there any ways to fix this 2 probs? Can I adjust the clutch myself? And how do I accommodate with the heat prob?? Is there a rubber pad thing I can wear? Or anyone know where I can buy long jeans that are thick are the top portion and thin at the lower portion or something suitable?

 

P.S when I took a bath when I got home, I realise I actually got burnned until my skins comes off and my skin is extremely reddish, touching it hurts badly and I dont think I can continue another lesson and hold on to the burning sensation. My SP never had this problem and its an 11 years old bike. Now I lost 33$ on prac lesson and another 30$ cause just went to see doc to get ointments for first degree burns horrible first s4 experience.

 

Thicker Jeans/cheap riding pants, Higher Socks.

Change driving centre to CDc (YBR 250 LOL)

 

http://www.cyclepedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crf80_crf100_periodic_maintenance.jpg

 

Turn this mofo knob at your clutch lever. If it doesnt work, its not something you could adjust on a school bike.

 

Good luck.

[guangwei]

i pass alrdy with thicker jeans, but instructor said he was lenient with me.

 

next lesson is bumpy course.. how does bumpy course works?