2B at BBDC or CDC?

[Nakuru]

18 minutes ago, noobie2k22 said:

ah yes i can actually execute uturn better in gear 2 and i let go of the clutch fully and focus on eyepoint! so when i’m in gear 1, do i maintain half clutch or should i just let go and throttle enough to navigate the uturn? 

i can only hope not to be the 1st rider but of course it’s not always like this + real life road scenario have to ensure i’m ok to uturn in gear 1 also

 

thanks!!!

For mi i will always maintain half clutch when in gear 1 cos i scare engine stall the only time i let go is when im going down the slope.. if u can throttle enough then best is chg to gear 2 then navigate the turn.. real life situation u can right foot down..

[apogeeXX]

 

[shiba2b]

9 hours ago, noobie2k22 said:

ah yes i can actually execute uturn better in gear 2 and i let go of the clutch fully and focus on eyepoint! so when i’m in gear 1, do i maintain half clutch or should i just let go and throttle enough to navigate the uturn? 

i can only hope not to be the 1st rider but of course it’s not always like this + real life road scenario have to ensure i’m ok to uturn in gear 1 also

 

thanks!!!

i don't know abt your school but in BBDC, everyone has to before the u-turn as there's a stop line/sign so we all execute the u-turn in gear 1. 

in gear 1, u can still accelerate pretty quickly with half clutch. If u fully release the clutch, the torque might be too much and make the bike jerk. Half clutch is usually smoother. 

[Nakuru]

1 hour ago, shiba2b said:

i don't know abt your school but in BBDC, everyone has to before the u-turn as there's a stop line/sign so we all execute the u-turn in gear 1. 

in gear 1, u can still accelerate pretty quickly with half clutch. If u fully release the clutch, the torque might be too much and make the bike jerk. Half clutch is usually smoother. 

If i remember correctly she's at ssdc.. Ssdc's u turn is at a traffic light.. i prayed hard during my test tt i get smooth traffic so tt i dun have to stop at the traffic light b4 u turn  

[noobie2k22]

12 hours ago, Nakuru said:

For mi i will always maintain half clutch when in gear 1 cos i scare engine stall the only time i let go is when im going down the slope.. if u can throttle enough then best is chg to gear 2 then navigate the turn.. real life situation u can right foot down..

 

3 hours ago, shiba2b said:

i don't know abt your school but in BBDC, everyone has to before the u-turn as there's a stop line/sign so we all execute the u-turn in gear 1. 

in gear 1, u can still accelerate pretty quickly with half clutch. If u fully release the clutch, the torque might be too much and make the bike jerk. Half clutch is usually smoother. 

ahh i see, okay then i’ll have to practice more on my half clutch uturn cause it doesn’t come intuitively for me unfortunately yes that’s true if let go of the clutch fully the torque is strong and it seems like i’m horse riding per the feedbacks from instructors hahaa

2 hours ago, Nakuru said:

If i remember correctly she's at ssdc.. Ssdc's u turn is at a traffic light.. i prayed hard during my test tt i get smooth traffic so tt i dun have to stop at the traffic light b4 u turn  

YES absolutely right! My goodness for L7 all i can do is pray for a smooth traffic for a smooth uturn in gear 2 instead of gear 1 horse riding

[Nakuru]

29 minutes ago, noobie2k22 said:

ahh i see, okay then i’ll have to practice more on my half clutch uturn cause it doesn’t come intuitively for me unfortunately yes that’s true if let go of the clutch fully the torque is strong and it seems like i’m horse riding per the feedbacks from instructors hahaa

Ah i get tt.. i was using the msx but 1 day, my msx got stolen by other student n i had to use the normal cbr190 during lesson 2 n i oso couldnt control the torque.. but i tried it again during the circuit revision just b4 i took lesson 8, it was fine n no longer hard to control.. u need to slowly release the clutch.. if release too fast will become horse riding.. haha

37 minutes ago, noobie2k22 said:

YES absolutely right! My goodness for L7 all i can do is pray for a smooth traffic for a smooth uturn in gear 2 instead of gear 1 horse riding

Haha if u can do planks then no problem for u turn at gear 1 la.. its all about clutch control.. during lesson 2 at the plank / slalom station at rooftop oso need to keep u turn to go into station ma.. the distant is the same 1.. 

[Pisces44]

19 hours ago, Nakuru said:

If i remember correctly she's at ssdc.. Ssdc's u turn is at a traffic light.. i prayed hard during my test tt i get smooth traffic so tt i dun have to stop at the traffic light b4 u turn  

Pray u r not 1st at the U-turn.. then can kick to 2nd gear before doing the u turn.

[Siphon]

3 hours ago, Pisces44 said:

Pray u r not 1st at the U-turn.. then can kick to 2nd gear before doing the u turn.

Actually daily when i do U-turns i'm doing it in gear one until i hit the straights. 

Couple of pointers.

1. Half clutch and maintain the half clutch and making sure you don't lose that slightly more than biting point power while throttling up more. 

2. Eye point Eye Point Eye Point. Look down at the floor while you're riding and its over. You will Fall. Look ahead, relax the ELBOWS the steering handle needs to turn. So relax the arms and let the arms turn the handle bar at low speed u-turn. 

3. If you're 2-3 person u-turning in gear 2. You'll likely not be turning the handle bars but instead you'll be leaning into the U-turn. Don't over commit on the lean, the bike doesn't need your weight to lean into the turn. Instead focus on your eye point and keep the eyes at the end of the far end. 

Hope this help~

 

[adesmond2]

11 minutes ago, Siphon said:

Actually daily when i do U-turns i'm doing it in gear one until i hit the straights. 

Couple of pointers.

1. Half clutch and maintain the half clutch and making sure you don't lose that slightly more than biting point power while throttling up more. 

2. Eye point Eye Point Eye Point. Look down at the floor while you're riding and its over. You will Fall. Look ahead, relax the ELBOWS the steering handle needs to turn. So relax the arms and let the arms turn the handle bar at low speed u-turn. 

3. If you're 2-3 person u-turning in gear 2. You'll likely not be turning the handle bars but instead you'll be leaning into the U-turn. Don't over commit on the lean, the bike doesn't need your weight to lean into the turn. Instead focus on your eye point and keep the eyes at the end of the far end. 

Hope this help~

 

1. change to gear 2 when you feel like your bike hit the max rpm.. that's what I usually do in real life.

2. VERY important and good to remember.. save me from quite a few accidents... Never look at the risk "thing/point" or the place you wan to avoid.. look at where you wan to go.. Your body and bike will push yourself to that position.. even when you are at downslope.. and dun look back when you are going up or down.. 100% fall.. your bike and body cannot do that U-Turn.. (one of my friend look backwards and really he just attempt to u-turn despite at slope and he fall.. luckily no injured and it's a scrambler.. all part plastic 0 scratches.

3. Dun lean too much.. else the TP will also fail you.. just nice will do..  

 

[Nakuru]

1 minute ago, adesmond2 said:

3. Dun lean too much.. else the TP will also fail you.. just nice will do..

TP wun fail la.. if u drop right leg or fall down then will fail.. wide turn is 2 points only

[adesmond2]

Just now, Nakuru said:

TP wun fail la.. if u drop right leg or fall down then will fail.. wide turn is 2 points only

over lean= you too fierce.. prefer to fail you then let you go outside corner..

[Nakuru]

1 minute ago, adesmond2 said:

over lean= you too fierce.. prefer to fail you then let you go outside corner..

No la.. dun think got demerit on tt.. anyway.. tt is skills k.. not like mi.. fall down

[adesmond2]

5 minutes ago, Nakuru said:

No la.. dun think got demerit on tt.. anyway.. tt is skills k.. not like mi.. fall down

no points.. but will find fault de.. just dun over lean.. abit will do.. 

[Nakuru]

1 minute ago, adesmond2 said:

no points.. but will find fault de.. just dun over lean.. abit will do.. 

I dun think as a 2B learner will over lean too much la.. its quite scary u noe.. lol 

[adesmond2]

2 minutes ago, Nakuru said:

I dun think as a 2B learner will over lean too much la.. its quite scary u noe.. lol 

dunno.. cuz I always lean until like you lor.. got sparks.. hahahhaha..  but Mine is my shoes..

My KRR more fierce.. kanna fairing..

[Nakuru]

3 minutes ago, adesmond2 said:

dunno.. cuz I always lean until like you lor.. got sparks.. hahahhaha..  but Mine is my shoes..

My KRR more fierce.. kanna fairing..

Eh eh eh... Tt 1.. i wasnt leaning alot leh.... I dunno y got spark

[adesmond2]

15 minutes ago, Nakuru said:

Eh eh eh... Tt 1.. i wasnt leaning alot leh.... I dunno y got spark

in front of the TPs some more.. I got stunned that moment.. haha

[Nakuru]

6 minutes ago, adesmond2 said:

in front of the TPs some more.. I got stunned that moment.. haha

Aiya.. they oso cannot do anything to mi.. i p plate..

[shiba2b]

On 1/15/2023 at 12:24 AM, Nakuru said:

If i remember correctly she's at ssdc.. Ssdc's u turn is at a traffic light.. i prayed hard during my test tt i get smooth traffic so tt i dun have to stop at the traffic light b4 u turn  

the problem is in BBDC we only learn how to u-turn from a stop

when i went out to ride for real, i gabra because no need to stop. Realised a little late that i really need to slow down for u-turns

1 hour ago, Siphon said:

Actually daily when i do U-turns i'm doing it in gear one until i hit the straights. 

Couple of pointers.

1. Half clutch and maintain the half clutch and making sure you don't lose that slightly more than biting point power while throttling up more. 

2. Eye point Eye Point Eye Point. Look down at the floor while you're riding and its over. You will Fall. Look ahead, relax the ELBOWS the steering handle needs to turn. So relax the arms and let the arms turn the handle bar at low speed u-turn. 

3. If you're 2-3 person u-turning in gear 2. You'll likely not be turning the handle bars but instead you'll be leaning into the U-turn. Don't over commit on the lean, the bike doesn't need your weight to lean into the turn. Instead focus on your eye point and keep the eyes at the end of the far end. 

Hope this help~

 

very good points made.

for u-turn (in gear 1), i found it easier to do it with body vertical (zero lean) or even lean out slightly as i'm going really slowly. But it's not really taught in BBDC. Can do tighter turns this way at lower speeds. One of the friendly BBDC instructors saw me doing that and commented on it but said no problem. 

at faster cornering speeds, i lean in with the bike as you mentioned

[Siphon]

22 hours ago, shiba2b said:

for u-turn (in gear 1), i found it easier to do it with body vertical (zero lean) or even lean out slightly as i'm going really slowly. But it's not really taught in BBDC. Can do tighter turns this way at lower speeds. One of the friendly BBDC instructors saw me doing that and commented on it but said no problem. 

at faster cornering speeds, i lean in with the bike as you mentioned

Time for you to learn about counter balance turning hehehee... 

Skip to 9 minutes. Watch his body. 

those taking Lesson in school don't do this yet please... Why? Because in school your thighs needs to GRIP the tank... else minus 2-4 points hahaa... so this technique isn't to be used in the school. 

 

[shiba2b]

1 hour ago, Siphon said:

Time for you to learn about counter balance turning hehehee... 

Skip to 9 minutes. Watch his body. 

those taking Lesson in school don't do this yet please... Why? Because in school your thighs needs to GRIP the tank... else minus 2-4 points hahaa... so this technique isn't to be used in the school. 

 

i watch this guy's vids too. He knows his stuff and has great instruction vids but he tends to think that his viewers are all idiots and can't accept any input from them 

 

 

yesterday i went cosplay event at circuit again 

[adesmond2]

8 hours ago, Siphon said:

Time for you to learn about counter balance turning hehehee... 

Skip to 9 minutes. Watch his body. 

those taking Lesson in school don't do this yet please... Why? Because in school your thighs needs to GRIP the tank... else minus 2-4 points hahaa... so this technique isn't to be used in the school. 

 

based on the picture shown on this video.. I think the way the person push out like abit extreme lei.. just abit to counter balance will do bah.. unless you super cornering.. then maybe need more?

sorry at work cannot on video.. LOL

[Siphon]

15 hours ago, adesmond2 said:

based on the picture shown on this video.. I think the way the person push out like abit extreme lei.. just abit to counter balance will do bah.. unless you super cornering.. then maybe need more?

Teaching usually must exaggerate a bit more to show u what you have to do. Else its not obvious enough haha. 

22 hours ago, shiba2b said:

i watch this guy's vids too. He knows his stuff and has great instruction vids but he tends to think that his viewers are all idiots and can't accept any input from them 

Haha... i never look at comments... just watch, pick up the tips next video haha... 

[noobie2k22]

On 1/15/2023 at 3:19 AM, Nakuru said:

Ah i get tt.. i was using the msx but 1 day, my msx got stolen by other student n i had to use the normal cbr190 during lesson 2 n i oso couldnt control the torque.. but i tried it again during the circuit revision just b4 i took lesson 8, it was fine n no longer hard to control.. u need to slowly release the clutch.. if release too fast will become horse riding.. haha

Haha if u can do planks then no problem for u turn at gear 1 la.. its all about clutch control.. during lesson 2 at the plank / slalom station at rooftop oso need to keep u turn to go into station ma.. the distant is the same 1.. 

hahah for my plank i actually don’t adopt the half clutch method! i found that the full torque of gear 1 helps me balance on the plank along with slight throttle (abit unconventional from the usual method)

sometimes jokingly wonder to myself that i should take horse riding instead of motorcycle since my gear 1 is horse riding method hahahah

On 1/15/2023 at 11:44 PM, adesmond2 said:

1. change to gear 2 when you feel like your bike hit the max rpm.. that's what I usually do in real life.

2. VERY important and good to remember.. save me from quite a few accidents... Never look at the risk "thing/point" or the place you wan to avoid.. look at where you wan to go.. Your body and bike will push yourself to that position.. even when you are at downslope.. and dun look back when you are going up or down.. 100% fall.. your bike and body cannot do that U-Turn.. (one of my friend look backwards and really he just attempt to u-turn despite at slope and he fall.. luckily no injured and it's a scrambler.. all part plastic 0 scratches.

3. Dun lean too much.. else the TP will also fail you.. just nice will do..  

 

wow super good tips thank you! yes for uturn i always try to keep distance from the front rider before changing to gear 2 but if i’m the first rider at traffic i don’t dare to risk it cause i once stalled in the middle of the road for L6 will definitely keep the eyepoint advice close to my heart! thanks a bunch!

 

On 1/16/2023 at 11:20 PM, Siphon said:

Time for you to learn about counter balance turning hehehee... 

Skip to 9 minutes. Watch his body. 

those taking Lesson in school don't do this yet please... Why? Because in school your thighs needs to GRIP the tank... else minus 2-4 points hahaa... so this technique isn't to be used in the school. 

 

wow i don’t think i’ll dare to do that with my current level of skillset haha!

with this in mind, i’m curious how come schools don’t teach countersteering nor counterbalance? seems like a lot of pro tips on the internet mentioned these 2 golden methods but had never tried it in school before. is this very complex for beginners to learn?

 

thanks for the video sharing btw!

[Siphon]

7 minutes ago, noobie2k22 said:

wow i don’t think i’ll dare to do that with my current level of skillset haha!

with this in mind, i’m curious how come schools don’t teach countersteering nor counterbalance? seems like a lot of pro tips on the internet mentioned these 2 golden methods but had never tried it in school before. is this very complex for beginners to learn?

 

thanks for the video sharing btw!

It can be confusing if you don't even know how to ride at the start... So basics first because some courses requires you to hug the bike and follow the lean (figure  so if you're taught different techniques while learning you will be confused which to use for which. So its better to teach a technique which works for all first. Then when you're riding you can understand things along the way. 

Countersteering is something natural at higher speeds (30kph and above) and it is very useful when you want to avoid collision. But wait till you're more familiar with riding at slower speed first. Where you actually need to turn the handle bar to turn and learning to hug the tank with your tights. 

 

Here's a video about coutersteering at high speed... its a little scary to watch but learning the techniques here will help in your riding life.