Gear 1 or neutral gear

[ThePole]

Hi bros, this may be a stupid question, but just want to get some advice.

 

wondering which way is better? i usually kick down to gear 1, then hold the clutch be4 going off. but sometime engine stall cos not gear 1

 

i saw some fellow riders kick to neutral then when light is green, they kick down to gear 1, then move off. Pls share your experience.

[SparkerS1]

Hi!

I seldom ride, but i always clutch in, cos faster in moving off.

If neutral can lah when the traffic light just red or long waiting time to move off.

If ppl tired, they put neutral so can relax.

It depends on individual riders.

[seancxm]

if i'm going to stop for a long time (ie light just changed to red), i'll kick to N

 

if the lights shd be changing soon i'll just leave it as 1

[LimHammett]

i usually kick down gear slowly before stopping at traffic light. using the engine brake. before i fully stop stationary, im already in neutral. if i stop stationary in gear 1, i will kick it to neutral lah. cannot tahan man if u hold clutch all the way. quite tiring.

 

i will look at the traffic signals of the moving traffic. if it changes to amber, then i will kick in to gear 1 and get ready to move off lah.

 

hope this helps.

 

[Me_No_Money]

Originally posted by ThePole@April 04, 2007 07:37 am

Hi bros, this may be a stupid question, but just want to get some advice.

 

wondering which way is better? i usually kick down to gear 1, then hold the clutch be4 going off. but sometime engine stall cos not gear 1

 

i saw some fellow riders kick to neutral then when light is green, they kick down to gear 1, then move off. Pls share your experience.

wat do u mean by u usually kick dn to gear 1?do u mean that u r owis at gear 1 when waiting 4 ur traffic to turn green?if tats e case, y ur eng will stalled? let go clutch too fast b4 u open throttle?

 

kicking to neutral at traffic lights depends on individual's habit. smtime i will wait wth gear 1 engaged while times i kick to neutral.it all depends. hope it helps

[LimHammett]

Originally posted by Me_No_Money@April 04, 2007 11:48 am

wat do u mean by u usually kick dn to gear 1?do u mean that u r owis at gear 1 when waiting 4 ur traffic to turn green?if tats e case, y ur eng will stalled? let go clutch too fast b4 u open throttle?

 

kicking to neutral at traffic lights depends on individual's habit. smtime i will wait wth gear 1 engaged while times i kick to neutral.it all depends. hope it helps

maybe wat i tink he meant is dat he kick down to gear 1 before he stop. den he clutch in. when moving off stall cos the bike is actually in gear 2 when he thought its already in gear 1..

 

i tink dats wat he meant..

 

[keratsini]

Always put in Neutral when complete stop, otherwise your clutch will wear off too fast. Take for exmple the bikes at driving centers. ALL of them are suffering from worn-off clutchs.

 

I realy do not know why during lessons/ test they ask you to kick 1st gear and hold the clutch while waiting but one think is for sure that your clutch will wear-off very fast.

 

I ALWAYS kick in Neutral even when I stop for a Few seconds. The purpose of clutch is to change the gears only.

[Strong Eagle]

I wait in neutral until other light goes amber, then I shift into first.

 

As a safety item, I never shift into neutral until I know all cars behind me are stopped. Never know when some cager will decide to drive right through you... I want to be in gear to get away if that happens.

[zell_teo]

i wil sure kick to N when red light if est the light bout to go green then hold on to clutch... if i am far away from it n its red, i will kick to N b4 i stop, let it self rolling then when opposite traffic turning amber, kick to gear 1.. main thing is mus know the traffic well then u wil know when to kick to N..

[zod]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 04, 2007 12:05 pm

Always put in Neutral when complete stop, otherwise your clutch will wear off too fast. Take for exmple the bikes at driving centers. ALL of them are suffering from worn-off clutchs.

 

I realy do not know why during lessons/ test they ask you to kick 1st gear and hold the clutch while waiting but one think is for sure that your clutch will wear-off very fast.

 

I ALWAYS kick in Neutral even when I stop for a Few seconds. The purpose of clutch is to change the gears only.

When fully clutched-in, the clutch is completely disengaged from the engine. As such, no wear and tear occurs. Wear and tear occurs when it's at half-clutch.

 

Driving centres' bikes' clutch are worn out because they are often used at half clutch, not because the learners clutch in while waiting.

[Me_No_Money]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 04, 2007 12:05 pm

Always put in Neutral when complete stop, otherwise your clutch will wear off too fast. Take for exmple the bikes at driving centers. ALL of them are suffering from worn-off clutchs.

 

I realy do not know why during lessons/ test they ask you to kick 1st gear and hold the clutch while waiting but one think is for sure that your clutch will wear-off very fast.

 

I ALWAYS kick in Neutral even when I stop for a Few seconds. The purpose of clutch is to change the gears only.

could u explain y clutch will wear off when u clutch in????

[Scorpione_phantom]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 04, 2007 12:05 pm

Always put in Neutral when complete stop, otherwise your clutch will wear off too fast. Take for exmple the bikes at driving centers. ALL of them are suffering from worn-off clutchs.

 

I realy do not know why during lessons/ test they ask you to kick 1st gear and hold the clutch while waiting but one think is for sure that your clutch will wear-off very fast.

 

I ALWAYS kick in Neutral even when I stop for a Few seconds. The purpose of clutch is to change the gears only.

how do clutch plates wear off when your clutch is disengaged ?

Please do not mis-teach.

[LimHammett]

Originally posted by Scorpione_phantom@April 05, 2007 11:37 am

how do clutch plates wear off when your clutch is disengaged ?

Please do not mis-teach.

unless when he clutch in his clutch is not fully disengaged??

[keratsini]

Guys is fine with me you clutch in or not. I have given you my opinion. Is upto you to consider it or not.

[Me_No_Money]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 05, 2007 01:33 pm

Guys is fine with me you clutch in or not. I have given you my opinion. Is upto you to consider it or not.

u haf given ur opinion but e reason behind ur stand sound absurd to me. to my best knowledge, when we clutch in, e clutch is disengaged which is e same as kicking to neutral. the only thing related to clutch when holding in e clutch lever will b e clutch cable. so izzit e clutch cable u r referring to?

 

pls correct me if i m wrong.

[contrarian]

Originally posted by Strong Eagle@April 04, 2007 12:32 pm

As a safety item, I never shift into neutral until I know all cars behind me are stopped. Never know when some cager will decide to drive right through you... I want to be in gear to get away if that happens.

Yep, that's the reason why the driving schools insist that you stop in gear instead of neutral - so that you're ready to move off.

[kori]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 05, 2007 01:33 pm

Guys is fine with me you clutch in or not. I have given you my opinion. Is upto you to consider it or not.

from the way you reply, i can tell that u're still claiming to be right in ur opinion. please do not give other new riders the wrong info. and please do your homework and learn more about bikes before giving false info in future.

[singrider]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 04, 2007 12:05 pm

Always put in Neutral when complete stop, otherwise your clutch will wear off too fast.

clutch wearing out fast when in gear..? Wrong...

[redbeacon]

Originally posted by ThePole@April 04, 2007 07:37 am

wondering which way is better? i usually kick down to gear 1, then hold the clutch be4 going off. but sometime engine stall cos not gear 1

 

i saw some fellow riders kick to neutral then when light is green, they kick down to gear 1, then move off. Pls share your experience.

wondering which way is better?

 

I'm the sort that prefers to rest my fingers and palms at every traffic light. Therefore, I shift to Neutral before or whilst stopped.

 

I was born a 1st-gear-whilst-stopped biker by my driving centre. Think it's because those people don't want me to be the certain 5-second road hog trying to shift to first gear when the lights turn green.

 

but sometime engine stall cos not gear 1

 

Are you a new biker?

 

Your driving/riding centre would have already taught you

1. the purpose of the Neutral light as an indication of the gear position already being in Neutral.
   
2. that it is recommended that you kick to Gear 1 just before stopping
   

Get to know your bike. Ride it every day. Note its every functions. Guarantee minimize small problems such as engine stalling.

[redbeacon]

(edited. wrong post)

[Phang]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 04, 2007 12:05 pm

I realy do not know why during lessons/ test they ask you to kick 1st gear and hold the clutch while waiting but one think is for sure that your clutch will wear-off very fast.

 

When you clutch in fully, your engine still transmitting a small amount of torque to the rear wheel, not enough to move your bike but could generate some heat through friction as the friction plates and clutch plates in the clutch housing are still touching each other. Too much free play at the clutch level will make this worse.

 

Put your bike on center stand, start the engine, clutch in fully and hold, engage 1st gear and see whether the rear wheel will spin or not. If your rear wheel is spinning, apply the rear brake to hold the wheel. Now, the engine is idling, rear wheel hold by the brake and what is grinding in between?

[keratsini]

Originally posted by Phang@April 06, 2007 02:40 pm

When you clutch in fully, your engine still transmitting a small amount of torque to the rear wheel, not enough to move your bike but could generate some heat through friction as the friction plates and clutch plates in the clutch housing are still touching each other. Too much free play at the clutch level will make this worse.

 

Put your bike on center stand, start the engine, clutch in fully and hold, engage 1st gear and see whether the rear wheel will spin or not. If your rear wheel is spinning, apply the rear brake to hold the wheel. Now, the engine is idling, rear wheel hold by the brake and what is grinding in between?

Thanks Phang,

 

Honestly there are some things you learn to accept but not always can be explained or at least someone hasn't realy search deep enough to find the reason.

 

In my 27 years of riding I knew that clutching in, will wear off the friction plates but I never went too deep at ask for the reason. I've seen many bikes suffering from that.

 

Your explanation very enlightening.

 

Thank you.

[redbeacon]

Hmm...never thought my clutch plates were that close. Inquisitive indeed.

 

I do see some slight significance of shifting to Neutral -- only when the clutch plates are in the process of wearing out and the uneven surfaces are starting to rub each other (and making them rotate). But hey, clutch wear is part of bike wear-and-tear on the move and the use of Neutral whilst stopped...probably prolongs premature wear by a small percentage, I guess?

 

Anybody got a paddock stand that we could use to do this experiment with

[Scorpione_phantom]

Originally posted by Phang@April 06, 2007 02:40 pm

When you clutch in fully, your engine still transmitting a small amount of torque to the rear wheel, not enough to move your bike but could generate some heat through friction as the friction plates and clutch plates in the clutch housing are still touching each other. Too much free play at the clutch level will make this worse.

 

Put your bike on center stand, start the engine, clutch in fully and hold, engage 1st gear and see whether the rear wheel will spin or not. If your rear wheel is spinning, apply the rear brake to hold the wheel. Now, the engine is idling, rear wheel hold by the brake and what is grinding in between?

nothing is grinding in between them. When in gear 1 with clutch disengaged, the pressure plate is held away frm the disks, allowing them to slip past each other, they are NOT held away by very much though, now when this happens, the oil between the plates will actually allow the plates to transfer some of the engine power to the countershaft and hence the rear wheel, that's why your rear wheel spins with the bike in gear, clutch in and on mainstand. These are possible due to the viscousity of the engine oil.

 

in my point of view, clutching in is NOT enough to cause wear and tear as compared to a holding the clutch in "Half-clutched" position. ie 100 hours of clutching in at gear 1 is probably = 10 secs of half clutch. Illustration is just assumption to SHOW the extend of wear and tear of clutching in. Not real statistics.

[Scorpione_phantom]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 06, 2007 05:55 pm

Thanks Phang,

 

Honestly there are some things you learn to accept but not always can be explained or at least someone hasn't realy search deep enough to find the reason.

 

In my 27 years of riding I knew that clutching in, will wear off the friction plates but I never went too deep at ask for the reason. I've seen many bikes suffering from that.

 

Your explanation very enlightening.

 

Thank you.

27 years of riding doesn't really make you hundred percent correct. Please go DEEP enough to give us the reason then. Not an obligation though, but at least support your statement with facts.