Yamaha FJR1300

[Ongsan]

Yup, the new color scheme of FJR1300 looks very cool...

[chung]

Originally posted by cheekozer600@Nov 12 2004, 07:34 PM

How much is the price of the FJR1300 at the motor show?

$25,900 (inclusive of COE, registration, IU transfer, GST, 6-mth rd tax, 2nd party insurance [above 31])

[chung]

Originally posted by speedtriple@Nov 12 2004, 05:44 PM

juz back from the motorshow. the new color scheme for the 05 fjr looks great! wonder if there are other available colors.

Other colours not available in S'pore yet.

(Did not verify with agent, just heard from the dealer)

May be January 2005.

Here

[chung]

Interesting reading comparing FJR, STX & K1200GT

here

Scroll to bottom of the page

[Guest cheeko]

Originally posted by chung@Nov 13 2004, 05:16 PM

$25,900 (inclusive of COE, registration, IU transfer, GST, 6-mth rd tax, 2nd party insurance [above 31])

So chung, from the great price at the motorshow, have u decided to get the FJR1300? For me think will stick to my bike for the time being.

[chung]

Originally posted by cheekozer600@Nov 13 2004, 06:51 PM

So chung, from the great price at the motorshow, have u decided to get the FJR1300? For me think will stick to my bike for the time being.

The promotion is a relative good buy, but its not something to fall off your chair by.

Nonetheless...

team FJR add one

[hunkiedave]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Nov 12 2004, 10:04 PM

Well the FJR is fast in terms of a tourer, which is what most reviews are based on. Bike to bike, its far behind many other bikes in the 1 litre + class.

 

In anycase, look at this example:

 

FJR, 145 hp and 250 kg top speed 260-270

Hayabusa, 158 hp, and is far lighter than the FJR. top speed 300+

 

Also, the FJR is a shaft drive which means it looses about 20% of its power so you get about 115 hp at the wheel. Most certainly one fo the definitions of a superbike is "No Shaft Drive"; you loose too much power that way.

 

Even the CBR 1100XX, which is quite an old design, will leave a FJR far behind. There are many others that will leave the FJR behind ZX12, R1 etc.

 

FJR is a "very fast and powerful bike" but its certainly no "superbike". Slap fairings on a fazer and you would get fairly similar performance.

well SAID ... FJR IS A SUPER TOURER NOT A SUPERSPORT NOR A HYPERSPORT AS CBR1100XX AND A ZX12R TO COMPARE AMONG THE SPORT TOURERS AS STX 1300 OR ST11 OR DUCATI STRADER = (OH HOW U SPELL THAT; OR THE BMWs FJR IS ONE OF THE SPECIAL SPECIES,,

[ReBornBikeR]

I found a torque wrench ( Britool ) at Handy-Man centre Pte Ltd in Shaw Centre

in the range that I wants ( 12Nm - 60Nm ) but it cost $315

 

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by ReBornBikeR@Nov 13 2004, 11:02 PM

I found a torque wrench ( Britool ) at Handy-Man centre Pte Ltd in Shaw Centre

in the range that I wants ( 12Nm - 60Nm ) but it cost $315

 

YOu are not being chop carrot head...

 

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=62213

 

The good news is that I bought a Snap-On 27nm to 135nm torque wrench.

The bad news is that I won't get it till christmas...

 

Looks like unless someone gets one, the installations are off....

[ReBornBikeR]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Nov 13 2004, 11:48 PM

YOu are not being chop carrot head...

 

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=62213

 

The good news is that I bought a Snap-On 27nm to 135nm torque wrench.

The bad news is that I won't get it till christmas...

 

Looks like unless someone gets one, the installations are off....

Hi, where did you get the Snap-on from and how much did you pay?

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by ReBornBikeR@Nov 14 2004, 09:50 AM

Hi, where did you get the Snap-on from and how much did you pay?

I bought it second hand from Ebay US model (27nm-135nm is acutally 20ft-lb to 100 ft-lb) for about S$150.

 

New price is over US$400. Snap On torque wrenches are more accurate since they are not spring loaded.

[speedtriple]

Originally posted by chung@Nov 13 2004, 05:16 PM

$25,900 (inclusive of COE, registration, IU transfer, GST, 6-mth rd tax, 2nd party insurance [above 31])

price quoted for insurance for 31yrs and above is already abt $26K? i believe the previous band is 28 to 30 yrs of age right? Looks like it'll be even more expensive. did you find out the rationale for the price they advertised in the classifieds for the motorshow? they printed $22K+ for OTR if I did not mistaken. inititally that was the price for riders above 31yrs old!

[speedtriple]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Nov 12 2004, 10:04 PM

Well the FJR is fast in terms of a tourer, which is what most reviews are based on. Bike to bike, its far behind many other bikes in the 1 litre + class.

 

In anycase, look at this example:

 

FJR, 145 hp and 250 kg top speed 260-270

Hayabusa, 158 hp, and is far lighter than the FJR. top speed 300+

 

Also, the FJR is a shaft drive which means it looses about 20% of its power so you get about 115 hp at the wheel. Most certainly one fo the definitions of a superbike is "No Shaft Drive"; you loose too much power that way.

 

Even the CBR 1100XX, which is quite an old design, will leave a FJR far behind. There are many others that will leave the FJR behind ZX12, R1 etc.

 

FJR is a "very fast and powerful bike" but its certainly no "superbike". Slap fairings on a fazer and you would get fairly similar performance.

good analysis. so a fazer (without fairings) would get lesser performance than the FJR? thought the fazer also got about 140+hp? it is lighter than the FJR. asking because the new paintscheme for the 05 fazer looks great as well and it is a proven quality bike. somemore cheaper... i'm also doing a pros and cons for both bikes.

[speedtriple]

just wanna share some of my FJR-buying considerations. hope you guys can comment. i've been considering the FJR since the 03 model.

 

Pros:

1) Excellent tourer: large fuel capacity, long distance comfort, powerful

2) Comfort for pillion(impt for gf)

3) Good storage: designed with panniers

 

Cons:

1) $$ Price, insurance, roadtax

2) Heavy at low speed: Can't weave much in heavy traffic?

 

Worthy alternative would be the FZ1.

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by speedtriple@Nov 14 2004, 01:48 PM

did you find out the rationale for the price they advertised in the classifieds for the motorshow? they printed $22K+ for OTR if I did not mistaken. inititally that was the price for riders above 31yrs old!

Yep, welcome to the dirty tactics of Dexing, Southern and gang.

 

They are famous for providing misleading adverts in the papers.

The big banner above, with comprehensive insurance OTR ONLY refers to the featured bike (the 150cc kup kia).

 

The 22K+ you saw for the machine price was $22K+ for MACHINE ONLY

Even the "All bikes have Yamaha 2 years limited warranty" is not true, I queried the Dexing guy very closely over it, there is only 6 months... apparently that's what is meant by "limited 2 year policy".

 

If you are going to take up the motorshow offer, buy the bike, do your 3 oil changes (or don't even bother with them) and never go back again.

 

BTW you can tell which company's insurance policy you are gettig; one company starts its bracket at 30, another at 31

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by speedtriple@Nov 14 2004, 01:52 PM

good analysis. so a fazer (without fairings) would get lesser performance than the FJR? thought the fazer also got about 140+hp? it is lighter than the FJR. asking because the new paintscheme for the 05 fazer looks great as well and it is a proven quality bike. somemore cheaper... i'm also doing a pros and cons for both bikes.

If you want to crunch the numbers I'm sure there are differences. However, in terms of touring there isn't really any.

 

I have a good friend who is selling his fazer one and its Fazer I was comparing against.

http://www.singaporebikes.com/classifieds/...php?siteid=7012

 

It has full farirings and a touring setup. Comfort is less, but not critically less unless you are riding the whole day. Then there is the chain drive, which needs replacement etc. But power wise, he still zooms off with ease, sidebox and pillion included.

 

The pro is of course the fazer comes at a far more reasonable price, although the prices are not that different if you are going to buy the boxes and fairings for a stock new FZ1.

[ashenZ]

Originally posted by speedtriple@Nov 14 2004, 02:05 PM

just wanna share some of my FJR-buying considerations. hope you guys can comment. i've been considering the FJR since the 03 model.

 

Pros:

1) Excellent tourer: large fuel capacity, long distance comfort, powerful

2) Comfort for pillion(impt for gf)

3) Good storage: designed with panniers

 

Cons:

1) $$ Price, insurance, roadtax

2) Heavy at low speed: Can't weave much in heavy traffic?

 

Worthy alternative would be the FZ1.

I agree with your pros... but tink u left some of them out... like ultra good wind protection... torquey... Hassle-free (shaft driven)Regarding cons..... u are quite wrong about weaveing tru heavy traffic.... put on side panniers on Fazer1... itz no less difficult to manuveour den FJR.... it ain't heavy at low speed.. if u ride a ST11 b4.. and weave around with a ST11 at heavy traffic... u will realise FJR is Heaven Sent~

 

AND OTR price, insurance, road tax and installments can kill... i muz agree..

 

Remove the side panniers off FJR.... itz weave tru traffic as easy as any big CC bikes like blackbird... fazer... etc.... and it still lukz as good w/o panniers.

 

U guyz are forgetting about the riding position FJR offers too...

 

Easy rider mentioned about losing power due to being a shafty.... i tink FJR's 145bhp is after -20% power??? also i've tried seating on a Haya and a FJR... itz seems Haya is alot more heavier den FJR to me..

 

Anyway... compared to all SPORTS TOURERS (do not mistaken it for super/hyper sports)... FJR got the cheapest price... highest torque, rider/pillion comfortability and manoverability.. i've seen itz ability and it never ends to astound me....

 

 

 

but i would like to ask all FJRians... iissit true dat FJR is super hot.... like Fazer1000?? 'Cos Yamaha bikes are well-known for its heat issues... and wonder if FJR is affected by it as Fazer1000???

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by ashenZ@Nov 14 2004, 05:44 PM

I agree with your pros... but tink u left some of them out... like ultra good wind protection... torquey... Hassle-free (shaft driven)Regarding cons..... u are quite wrong about weaveing tru heavy traffic.... put on side panniers on Fazer1... itz no less difficult to manuveour den FJR.... it ain't heavy at low speed.. if u ride a ST11 b4.. and weave around with a ST11 at heavy traffic... u will realise FJR is Heaven Sent~

 

Remove the side panniers off FJR.... itz weave tru traffic as easy as any big CC bikes like blackbird... fazer... etc.... and it still lukz as good w/o panniers.

 

U guyz are forgetting about the riding position FJR offers too...

 

Easy rider mentioned about losing power due to being a shafty.... i tink FJR's 145bhp is after -20% power??? also i've tried seating on a Haya and a FJR... itz seems Haya is alot more heavier den FJR to me..

A fazer with a full touring setup can match in terms of wind protection, of course. This was what I was comparing the FJR against, a full touring kit fazer (with high windscreen and fairings).

 

"The FJR claims the highest hp (145 hp) and torque (93 ftlbs) figures of all the bikes, although available dyno tests show that a good 20 horses never make it from the claimed crank figure to the real rear wheel. This is thanks no doubt to the two 90 degree bends it goes through because of the shaft drive set up. Still, it's enough to make the FJR a hoot coming out of a sharp corner at almost any rpm."

 

From http://www.cmgonline.com/articles/CMG02/bi...ros/ZZR_FJR_ST/

Of course, dyno tests are not "real life", so expect further losses than 20 hp when riding.

 

 

Erm... A fully loaded Busa (full tank and engine oil coolent etc) is still 10+ kg lighter than a completely dry FJR without saddlebags.

[ashenZ]

Originally posted by chung@Nov 13 2004, 05:16 PM

$25,900 (inclusive of COE, registration, IU transfer, GST, 6-mth rd tax, 2nd party insurance [above 31])

Told you the $22k+ is just machine price right????? don't believe.....

 

Anyway.. i was at the motoshow... tok to the DExing guy also.....

 

Was saying Yamaha giving 2-3yrs warranty... Installments can take up 7yrs at 4% each yr... and comes with normal freebies like free oil service etc... also... tink road tax they are giving 1year instead of normal 6mths???

 

I was quoted around $29,000 (inclusive of COE, registration, IU transfer, GST, 1yr rd tax, 2nd party insurance [for 24yrs old])

 

their insurance apparently was more expensive den wot was paid outside... heard for 24yrs old is $1300.. instead they quote around $1500+..

 

The new scheme colour really suxxX~ coz the panniers doesnt match siahh.... tink last year's color like galaxy blue, storm silver and techno jade i still the best yet...

 

REgarding the Yamaha warranty wise... i dunnoe how true issit.. my fren bot his FJR less den 6mths... it seems dat the bike's color is running off randomly throughout itz body paint work.....When went back to Hong Leong, Yamaha doesn't admit the defect.. and blames my fren for doing something to it..... and say the most they will do is share half the cost of respraying the affected areas... instead of a total respray of the bike... so after respray.. other new run-off spots appear.. he also lan lan...

 

Even until now.. new run-off spots are appearing... help my fren heartache siahh..

[ashenZ]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Nov 14 2004, 05:55 PM

A fazer with a full touring setup can match in terms of wind protection, of course. This was what I was comparing the FJR against, a full touring kit fazer (with high windscreen and fairings).

 

"The FJR claims the highest hp (145 hp) and torque (93 ftlbs) figures of all the bikes, although available dyno tests show that a good 20 horses never make it from the claimed crank figure to the real rear wheel. This is thanks no doubt to the two 90 degree bends it goes through because of the shaft drive set up. Still, it's enough to make the FJR a hoot coming out of a sharp corner at almost any rpm."

 

From http://www.cmgonline.com/articles/CMG02/bi...ros/ZZR_FJR_ST/

Of course, dyno tests are not "real life", so expect further losses than 20 hp when riding.

 

 

Erm... A fully loaded Busa (full tank and engine oil coolent etc) is still 10+ kg lighter than a completely dry FJR without saddlebags.

hmmzz like u say.. after accessorising FAzer... it still comes up to around the same price as FJR... but no adjustable windscreen... and rider/pillion comfort as FJR..... agree??

 

hehehe.. hmmmzz i can onli see from the performance of Fazer and FJR... din hvn chance to try them.. but FJR does seems more impressive den Fazer..... but i must agree... Fazer being on 1000CC and the machine price/road tax/insurance... really beats FJR...

 

But nonetheless... it depends wot ya wan at end of the day... i juz have to wait for my chance to try out FJR... hehhe

 

u serious about the Haya wt statistics?? i could have swore dat Haya feels much heavier to me....

 

Anyway.... do you have any comments of FJR heat issues since u r riding one??

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by ashenZ@Nov 14 2004, 06:22 PM

hmmzz like u say.. after accessorising FAzer... it still comes up to around the same price as FJR... but no adjustable windscreen... and rider/pillion comfort as FJR..... agree??

 

hehehe.. hmmmzz i can onli see from the performance of Fazer and FJR... din hvn chance to try them.. but FJR does seems more impressive den Fazer..... but i must agree... Fazer being on 1000CC and the machine price/road tax/insurance... really beats FJR...

 

But nonetheless... it depends wot ya wan at end of the day... i juz have to wait for my chance to try out FJR... hehhe

 

u serious about the Haya wt statistics?? i could have swore dat Haya feels much heavier to me....

No lah, fully accesorizing the Fazer ony $2K+ (Full fairings, windscreen, fairings belly pan, double GIVI box).

 

I suspect the Hayabusa you ride on has some problems or mods...

 

GSX 1300 R Hayabusa 2005

Seat Height: 805 mm (31.7 in)

Dry Weight: 215 kg (473 lbs)

Engine type: 1298 cc liquid-cooled inline-4, DOHC, 16 valves. 175 hp (129 kW)/ 9800 rpm, 141 Nm/ 7 000 rpm.

 

FJR

Seat height: 805 mm (31.7 inches)

Dry weight: 237.0 kg (522.5 pounds)

Power: 145.00 HP (105.8 kW)) @ 8500 RPM

Torque: 126.00 Nm (12.8 kgf-m or 92.9 ft.lbs) @ 6000 RPM

Displacement: 1298.00 ccm (79.20 cubic inches) In-line 4

[ReBornBikeR]

Easy rider mentioned about losing power due to being a shafty.... i tink FJR's 145bhp is after -20% power??? also i've tried seating on a Haya and a FJR... itz seems Haya is alot more heavier den FJR to me..

 

Theoritically a shaft driven bike will looses some power due to the power transmittion set-up, but the actual situation on the bike after twisting that throttle, I never felt that "lost" even when going up a slope.

I left all vehicles behind me struggling up the slope while I shoots up with ease.

But I must mention here that I have never ridden other sports/tourer bike before this, so I am not in a position to compare.

 

Anyway... compared to all SPORTS TOURERS (do not mistaken it for super/hyper sports)... FJR got the cheapest price... highest torque, rider/pillion comfortability and manoverability.. i've seen itz ability and it never ends to astound me....

 

 

 

but i would like to ask all FJRians... iissit true dat FJR is super hot.... like Fazer1000?? 'Cos Yamaha bikes are well-known for its heat issues... and wonder if FJR is affected by it as Fazer1000???

 

The running in period and the subsequent first few months the I rode this bike I felt the bike is super hot. However after that, it only felt hot when the fuel tank is less than half filled. The solution is to top up fuel whenever it is half empty.

Now I seldom experience three digit bar temperature display and the cooling fan only comes on after I stop at the traffic lights for some time.

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by ReBornBikeR@Nov 14 2004, 08:16 PM

Theoritically a shaft driven bike will looses some power due to the power transmittion set-up, but the actual situation on the bike after twisting that throttle, I never felt that "lost" even when going up a slope.

I left all vehicles behind me struggling up the slope while I shoots up with ease.

But I must mention here that I have never ridden other sports/tourer bike before this, so I am not in a position to compare.

 

Well in comparison a 2003 Toyota Corolla produces 130 hp... If it can go up a hill, then you can go up a hill 4 times faster, due to a far higher power to weight ratio. A corolla has a kerb weight (dry) of 1030 kg....

 

This is never an issue in everyday riding... only matter when you ask "what speed to reach 0-100? (ans: 2.9 seconds for the FJR, 5.7 secs for the Porsche Carerra 4....)

[Motrax33]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Nov 9 2004, 10:54 PM

I have the same set of items. I think we need to contact motovation and ask them if this is correct. It may well be that the original moko ones are short?

 

I.e. there is actually space for a 80 mm and a 70 cm on the right side (instead of 2x 65mm). Can those who have already fitted the sliders advice us on the situation?

Hi bro, the screws for the brackets are indeed correct 3 x m12x80 and 1 x m12x70 both fine pitch. And also for the left side, sitting on the bike, the screws mounted is for both 80mm, and the right side is mounted with m12x80 and 70., providing with 4 alumium spacer to be place between the bracket and the frame.

 

Any enquires pls call or pm or email me. I was away for holiday just got back seeing this thread abt the sliders.

 

Any doubts, just look for me:)

 

Motrax33

[ashenZ]

Anyone else care to comment and enlighten us on the FJR heat issues???