Auto Scooter Licence

[Dino Bravo]

Originally posted by nux_newbie@Dec 27 2005, 12:23 PM

The maxi-scoots (such as the Burgman/X9/Atlantic) might prove to be more difficult to pick up.

 

They aren't exactly very heavy (~170kg-ish), but there's no fuel tank for you to lean into, hence it is very much a case of lifting the bike upright via the handlebars.

 

More strenous since can't leverage using your legs.

 

Actually car drivers should be allowed to ride small capacity auto scoots perhaps after a basic conversion test. They're really easy to ride and should go some way towards alleviating the congestion on SG roads.

 

Not being able to 'half-clutch' on the slow speed courses isn't really an issue with automatic motorcycles. You just need to exercise fine throttle control.

I do not agree that car drivers should be able to convert their license so that they can also ride an auto scoot as well. bikes and cars are totally diff things, the road is the same. be it you drive a 10tonner a ferarri a civic, or ride a bike... the road is a road and its the same. but its controlling, and checking of blindspots and coordination thats matters.

and also, my personnal view is that a bike license is a bike license. not necessary for a auto scoot license. even if you plan to ride the smallest capacity bike/scooter, i feel that the basic gear changing and clutch method should be learnt. so its back to a normal motorcycle lesson. no special class for auto.

i also feel that license auto cars are redundant. wanna drive... sorry, learn everything about driving. then you can drive anything you like. manual, auto, or semi-auto... you might debate that some are not good at changing gears and coordinating, but can drive minus the coordination part. then sorry... i'm afraid that the road is not for you. i believe very strongly that everything should be learnt from the basic, and that includes clutch, gear, blindspots, steering and braking at the same time. cannot do that? then pls keep off the road and step onto the train or bus that our wonderful country have. my 2 cents worth. tho some may disagree... hands up for those who agree

[nux_newbie]

Oops... looks like we have side-tracked from the main topic... anyway, in response to the earlier post:

 

Root of the matter is that we need to understand what causes road accidents.

 

If the majority of motorcycle accidents are due to loss of control, then definitely we should not allow car drivers to take an abbreviated route towards obtaining a motorcycle license (or an automatic motorcycle license, as the case may be).

 

If the main cause of motorcycle accidents is due to lack of road awareness, then we should allow car drivers to have an easier time obtaining a motorcycle license, since presumably holders of a car license would generally have better road awareness compared to fresh motorcycle learners.

 

Dunno... I have both Class 2 and Class 3 but I don't feel any more prepared than say a Class 2B rider when it comes to saving the bike from a 'loss of control' situation... such as low or high siding, rear wheel slips, etc. Heck, I'm just a 'normal' road user and don't ride that fast or lean that far to have much of a chance of experiencing such situations.

 

However, I am less prone to panic braking or rear ending the vehicle in front of me since I've been on the roads a tad longer. Hence I am of the opinion that car drivers (or for that matter, anyone with road experience) should be given an easier time in getting a motorcycle licence.

 

Back to the topic.. as for the viability of an auto-scooter license... I believe the UK has a separate motorcycle license category for automatic motorcycles. We would need to study the rationale for having such a separate class before arriving at any conclusions.

[Tyrian]

Originally posted by Dino Bravo@Jan 1 2006, 09:33 PM

I do not agree that car drivers should be able to convert their license so that they can also ride an auto scoot as well. bikes and cars are totally diff things, the road is the same. be it you drive a 10tonner a ferarri a civic, or ride a bike... the road is a road and its the same. but its controlling, and checking of blindspots and coordination thats matters.

and also, my personnal view is that a bike license is a bike license. not necessary for a auto scoot license. even if you plan to ride the smallest capacity bike/scooter, i feel that the basic gear changing and clutch method should be learnt. so its back to a normal motorcycle lesson. no special class for auto.

i also feel that license auto cars are redundant. wanna drive... sorry, learn everything about driving. then you can drive anything you like. manual, auto, or semi-auto... you might debate that some are not good at changing gears and coordinating, but can drive minus the coordination part. then sorry... i'm afraid that the road is not for you. i believe very strongly that everything should be learnt from the basic, and that includes clutch, gear, blindspots, steering and braking at the same time. cannot do that? then pls keep off the road and step onto the train or bus that our wonderful country have. my 2 cents worth. tho some may disagree... hands up for those who agree

i don't agree fully to what you have said, learn from the basics..

 

if u are talking about accounting concepts, principles and such, then i do agree fully that learn from the basics..

 

but if technology have made it easier and more convenient to handle things, why not follow the technology? coordination is one thing.. if there is one less thing to worry about and this enables them to be more alert and aware of their surrounding and safety of other road users, i'm all in for auto-scoot or class 3A licence..

[mechwira]

Originally posted by nux_newbie@Jan 3 2006, 05:41 PM

If the main cause of motorcycle accidents is due to lack of road awareness, then we should allow car drivers to have an easier time obtaining a motorcycle license, since presumably holders of a car license would generally have better road awareness compared to fresh motorcycle learners.

 

Dunno... I have both Class 2 and Class 3 but I don't feel any more prepared than say a Class 2B rider when it comes to saving the bike from a 'loss of control' situation... such as low or high siding, rear wheel slips, etc. Heck, I'm just a 'normal' road user and don't ride that fast or lean that far to have much of a chance of experiencing such situations.

 

However, I am less prone to panic braking or rear ending the vehicle in front of me since I've been on the roads a tad longer. Hence I am of the opinion that car drivers (or for that matter, anyone with road experience) should be given an easier time in getting a motorcycle licence.

i've got class2, with 4 years riding experience.

 

i dun have class 3.

 

would u trust me on the road if i drive an auto car after a simple basic conversion test?

[mechwira]

Originally posted by Tyrian@Jan 4 2006, 12:50 AM

but if technology have made it easier and more convenient to handle things, why not follow the technology? coordination is one thing.. if there is one less thing to worry about and this enables them to be more alert and aware of their surrounding and safety of other road users, i'm all in for auto-scoot or class 3A licence..

thats the crux of the issue isn it.

 

does the technology simplify things such that the operator is able to be more aware of his/her surroundings thereby being more alert and safer, or is the technology lulling the operator into complacency or rob the operator of vital skills necessary in being a safe road user?

 

i cant answer the above questions for auto and manual cars coz i donno how to drive, so i realli wouldn know.

 

for bikes tho, i'm alright with auto-bike licence, its just that i disagree wif threadstarter who wanted the license becoz "the lower power and weight of auto-bikes" will be easier for her mother. i think the issue is easier operation, and that a person facing problems with the power and weight of a 2b bike shdn consider riding at all coz it wont be much different on an auto-bike.

[nux_newbie]

Originally posted by mechwira@Jan 5 2006, 02:49 AM

i've got class2, with 4 years riding experience.

 

i dun have class 3.

 

would u trust me on the road if i drive an auto car after a simple basic conversion test?

Yes, if it's an automatic car and there's instruction on reversing.

[mechwira]

Originally posted by nux_newbie@Jan 5 2006, 08:12 AM

Yes, if it's an automatic car and there's instruction on reversing.

ok, fair enuff. i still disagree (both ways, car-to-bike and bike-to-car i mean); but i can respect ur opinion on the matter coz its unbiased.

[hockie69]

Originally posted by mechwira@Jan 5 2006, 06:08 PM

ok, fair enuff. i still disagree (both ways, car-to-bike and bike-to-car i mean); but i can respect ur opinion on the matter coz its unbiased.

argee on your valid points abr car-to-bike,bike-to-car matters.

 

riding request "balancing skill" which is not requested in driving.as such,the driver MAY not have the necessory skill to BALANCE a bike rain/shine.

 

while driving request the skill of "gauging distance/space" which is not requested in riding.as such,the rider may mis-judge the given allowance GAP/space while on de road.

 

anyway.no offends but at such "elder" age.is it safe to ride? i mean nowadays,with cheap car price.roads are flooded with cars.

 

safety first.

[FOXY]

is it good to have 2b manual and 2b auto ?

[Echo]

nono. if like this, might as well has class 2A auto and class 2 auto...............

[Arcfire]

Do note that there are auto scoots in the 650cc range. How are you going to stop a dumb a$$ from going for that straight after he gets his auto scoot licence? The 650cc scoot is no child's play, 244kg dry weight and has tons of power.

 

And even with lower cc scoots, the handling is different, the braking control is different. I don't think we need anymore categories of bike licences anymore just better categorisation instead.

[selphie]

I wonder if we can be like Japan. Driving lic already cover 50cc scooter.

[firestorm_33]

just get a cub or fino lor..... light and good for transport..... fuel saving too (for cubs).......

 

fino auto gear just throttle and good .... light ,cute and not too powerful as a 2B.... just nicez.......