TP new toy!

[ary76]

2 months of intensive training to learn how to handle big bull.. heh heh.. i think the track goers will smoke them jialat jialat 1 on 1.. skills can't be imparted, but techniques... yes, they can be imparted..

 

they can handle yes .. but smoked? on track yes .. but on road, with their uniform and bike , i think the track goers do 'sayang' their licenses than to smoke these newbies TPs ..

 

that's why they are called the LAO JIAOS!!! see them you better guai guai.. you can hide, but you cannot run from them.. superb bike handling skills.. can almost be on par or even surpass those bike instructors at the driving schools.

 

yups .. their skills are superb. but not only them ... even those that have spent a few years on the patrol team have skills that are on par with those on the task force team .. like i had posted, it's who your trainer and 'mentor' is ....

[aRcHeR]

they can handle yes .. but smoked? on track yes .. but on road, with their uniform and bike , i think the track goers do 'sayang' their licenses than to smoke these newbies TPs ..

 

go track no need licence, only go on the road need..

 

 

 

yups .. their skills are superb. but not only them ... even those that have spent a few years on the patrol team have skills that are on par with those on the task force team .. like i had posted, it's who your trainer and 'mentor' is ....

 

with time, comes experience and skills.. and your own refined techniques..

[angkuguay]

they can learn for all they can, but experience still counts.. if you put valentino rossi straight to moto GP class, without going thru the junior classes, you think he will still be called 'the doctor'?? i don't think so.

 

and i didn't say TP have lousy skills, it's just facts that most of the buang cases are by pretty young TPs.. and they are the ones who get class 2 direct. UNLESS they are already into riding even before they enlist/sign-on.

 

 

if you don't start to handle from small cc bikes, how are you going to handle a big monster properly? you don't start running when you are a baby, don't you? you have to learn to crawl properly, before learning to walk, and finally you learn how to run.

 

A very simple way of putting things in perspective. Speaking of Rossi, why compare normal human beings to a genius on wheels? Maybe I missed the reports of how Rossi went through 'intensive training' to learn the workings of a rally car AND F1 cars to get such great timings on his first try eh?

 

When you get a chance to hop on to a bigger class of bike next time, tell me how much easier it is to control the bikes than the 2B bikes. Road riding skills and track going skills are different. Both have their inherent skill sets. Road riding requires advanced situational awareness, cars, pot holes, oil on roads, etc. Tracks teaches you to maximise your maximum potential for the bike.

 

Dun diss the TPs off just like that...those younger TPs you said that crashed, care to reveal where you get the 'facts' from?

[angkuguay]

2 months of intensive training to learn how to handle big bull.. heh heh.. i think the track goers will smoke them jialat jialat 1 on 1.. skills can't be imparted, but techniques... yes, they can be imparted..

 

Pssst... tell you a secret... many of the TPs are track goers too. Just that they usually do not appear on weekends.

[aRcHeR]

A very simple way of putting things in perspective. Speaking of Rossi, why compare normal human beings to a genius on wheels? Maybe I missed the reports of how Rossi went through 'intensive training' to learn the workings of a rally car AND F1 cars to get such great timings on his first try eh?

 

den you can always substitute with any other motoGP riders, nicky hayden for the fact..

 

When you get a chance to hop on to a bigger class of bike next time, tell me how much easier it is to control the bikes than the 2B bikes. Road riding skills and track going skills are different. Both have their inherent skill sets. Road riding requires advanced situational awareness, cars, pot holes, oil on roads, etc. Tracks teaches you to maximise your maximum potential for the bike.

 

easier to control, of course with your 1 year of experience in handling 2B bikes, and another year in handling a 2A bike before going to a class 2 big bull. it would be easier as you know how a bike feels like, the throttle control, braking feel, etc etc.. track teaches you to maximise your max potential for the bike, hmmm.. isn't it the balls here that matters?

 

Dun diss the TPs off just like that...those younger TPs you said that crashed, care to reveal where you get the 'facts' from?

 

just go down hong leong and see for yourself.. a good week, you can see about 5-6 of them waiting for their 'operation'.

[aRcHeR]

Pssst... tell you a secret... many of the TPs are track goers too. Just that they usually do not appear on weekends.

 

many is how many? going by their schedules, 7am-7pm, 24hrs rest, 7pm-7am, 1.5days off.. plus reports and blah blah blah..

[s4dreamer]

I know that what I'm about to say is quite ...

 

I'm very interested in developing my riding skills and I believe many others want to... Just a thought... How nice it would be if we civilians get a chance to go through their TP training? It will certainly do me lots of good!

 

The TP can earn more money and at the same time, I get to improve my skills as a rider!

[aRcHeR]

join police force and request to go TP as your vocation..

[Powieee]

They have eyes and camera to catch your number plate , no matter how skill you are here in sg , in the end you're still the big loser . lol ..

[s4dreamer]

join police force and request to go TP as your vocation..

 

Thinking of what you said... no thanks! I like my current job 100x better than being a TP! At least I won't get hated by road users!!!

[s4dreamer]

They have eyes and camera to catch your number plate , no matter how skill you are here in sg , in the end you're still the big loser . lol ..

 

Oh well, I'm very sure that bikers who pick up extra riding skills is not for the sole purpose of "playing" with TP! It's for personal interest, I believe.

 

Oh yes, but on the part of "eyes and camera to catch your number" and "big loser", I can't agree more with that!

[compfused]

Recently saw a TP hittin a bike..TP makin a U-Turn and hit a stationary bike waitin to do a right turn..

[JetGrey]

Yea.. They're used by Police Security Command, otherwise known as SecCom. But the bikes are not really used unless it's really, really necessary. They usually just use it for training. Not used for normal escorts. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.

[angkuguay]

den you can always substitute with any other motoGP riders, nicky hayden for the fact..

 

I think you do not quite understand what I meant. GP riders, not just Rossi, are really one an entirely different level of skill set than normal riders. Do some more research please. During one of last year's Sepang Track Day, there were quite a few fast riders here who had the chance to share the tracks with some 250class racers from China. When you watch the motoGP at home, these guys were usually at the back of the pack, the back markers. On that day itself, they were smoking everyone left, right and center.

 

And they were on 250cc. What does that tell you other than they have fast bikes?

 

easier to control, of course with your 1 year of experience in handling 2B bikes, and another year in handling a 2A bike before going to a class 2 big bull. it would be easier as you know how a bike feels like, the throttle control, braking feel, etc etc..

 

Its a bit oot but humour me for a minute. Lets say you spend a year on the Phantom, then another year on the Shadow 400, then you buy a Harley dynaglide when you get your class 2. 3 years after you been riding the harley, you decided to get a sports bike, a K6 maybe. You think you would be able to apply the same techniques, clutch/throttle control, etc to the sports bike? You would need some time to learn and get used to the new bike's handling and power delivery. It has got nothing to do with the engine capacity.

 

track teaches you to maximise your max potential for the bike, hmmm.. isn't it the balls here that matters?

 

Balls matter, yes... when you need to procreate. When it comes to track riding, the brains are more important. If you are riding an R1, you would not be foolish enough (or are you?) to try and outbrake a 250cc 2 stroker. And so you try to out gun him on the straights and hope that it is sufficiently long for you to get away. You maximise your bike's ability to suit your riding style and needs.

 

Its pure physics here, no balls involved.

 

 

just go down hong leong and see for yourself.. a good week, you can see about 5-6 of them waiting for their 'operation'.

 

Maybe I would just to have a look see and ask around. You see crash damage on the bikes? Maybe you are right in that they crash very often. But are those trainees that crash during training or they crash on the roads? Or, could it be that they are just going through normal servicing?

 

At a workshop in the paya lebar area, I see alot of police cars always at the workshops, sometimes its vans, sometimes its normal QX patrol cars, even managed to see a WRX there. (Thats how I got my avatar) Maybe the police are just horrible drivers/riders...I always see so many police vehicles at workshops, must be their young policemen with lousy skills that caused it.

[angkuguay]

I know that what I'm about to say is quite ...

 

I'm very interested in developing my riding skills and I believe many others want to... Just a thought... How nice it would be if we civilians get a chance to go through their TP training? It will certainly do me lots of good!

 

The TP can earn more money and at the same time, I get to improve my skills as a rider!

 

There are advanced riding courses available overseas too. I'm saving up for the California Superbike school in Australia. Course fees are in the thousands!

 

join police force and request to go TP as your vocation..

 

Haha... So you want to drink milk, you buy your own cow? Anyway, the TP are like the CID, you need a certain number of years clocked as a 'normal' constable before you can apply to join. The last I heard, its a minimum of 5 years. But there were times when they open up for direct intakes, ie, you sign on as Traffic Police. I do not know if the policy have changed or not though.

[JetGrey]

When I was in NS basic training last year, they offered direct TP posting if we signed on.

[aRcHeR]

I think you do not quite understand what I meant. GP riders, not just Rossi, are really one an entirely different level of skill set than normal riders. Do some more research please. During one of last year's Sepang Track Day, there were quite a few fast riders here who had the chance to share the tracks with some 250class racers from China. When you watch the motoGP at home, these guys were usually at the back of the pack, the back markers. On that day itself, they were smoking everyone left, right and center.

 

And they were on 250cc. What does that tell you other than they have fast bikes?

 

you are still the one who doesn't quite get what i mean. i'm just saying that whatever you do, you have to start from somewhere, and you slowly make your way up to the top. do rossi or those motogp riders start to ride the the premium class once they know how to ride a bike? i don't think so.

 

Its a bit oot but humour me for a minute. Lets say you spend a year on the Phantom, then another year on the Shadow 400, then you buy a Harley dynaglide when you get your class 2. 3 years after you been riding the harley, you decided to get a sports bike, a K6 maybe. You think you would be able to apply the same techniques, clutch/throttle control, etc to the sports bike? You would need some time to learn and get used to the new bike's handling and power delivery. It has got nothing to do with the engine capacity.

 

and that time needed to get used to it, surely will be a long 1.. UNLESS you are talking about yourself.

 

Balls matter, yes... when you need to procreate. When it comes to track riding, the brains are more important. If you are riding an R1, you would not be foolish enough (or are you?) to try and outbrake a 250cc 2 stroker. And so you try to out gun him on the straights and hope that it is sufficiently long for you to get away. You maximise your bike's ability to suit your riding style and needs.

 

Its pure physics here, no balls involved.

 

if you don't have balls, would you even dare to lean into the corners, touching your sliders on the tarmac? a litre bike VS a 250cc 2-stroker, what's the glory there even if you win?

 

 

Maybe I would just to have a look see and ask around. You see crash damage on the bikes? Maybe you are right in that they crash very often. But are those trainees that crash during training or they crash on the roads? Or, could it be that they are just going through normal servicing?

 

At a workshop in the paya lebar area, I see alot of police cars always at the workshops, sometimes its vans, sometimes its normal QX patrol cars, even managed to see a WRX there. (Thats how I got my avatar) Maybe the police are just horrible drivers/riders...I always see so many police vehicles at workshops, must be their young policemen with lousy skills that caused it.

 

i think you should just go and take a look for yourself, save my breathe.

 

and there newer patrol cars like the subarus, are all sent back to be serviced by motorimage. they have a rule only to let the agent to do servicing. most of the time you see QX vehicles in other workshops, either they are doing sticker works, or other works.

 

now you are putting words in my mouth! aren't police vehicles, vehicles? they don't need to be maintained? EO changed? i see you are just trying to pick bones in an egg with me. tsktsk..

[angkuguay]

you are still the one who doesn't quite get what i mean. i'm just saying that whatever you do, you have to start from somewhere, and you slowly make your way up to the top. do rossi or those motogp riders start to ride the the premium class once they know how to ride a bike? i don't think so.

 

 

 

and that time needed to get used to it, surely will be a long 1.. UNLESS you are talking about yourself.

 

 

 

if you don't have balls, would you even dare to lean into the corners, touching your sliders on the tarmac? a litre bike VS a 250cc 2-stroker, what's the glory there even if you win?

 

 

 

 

i think you should just go and take a look for yourself, save my breathe.

 

and there newer patrol cars like the subarus, are all sent back to be serviced by motorimage. they have a rule only to let the agent to do servicing. most of the time you see QX vehicles in other workshops, either they are doing sticker works, or other works.

 

now you are putting words in my mouth! aren't police vehicles, vehicles? they don't need to be maintained? EO changed? i see you are just trying to pick bones in an egg with me. tsktsk..

 

Ok ok... peace... you win the arguement. TPs are young lousy riders who crash regularly enough to keep Hong Leong in business.

 

I'm just someone naive, self centred with a big ego who has been trying to suck up to the few TP riders in here with the hope that I may escape a speeding ticket in the event that I was caught.

 

Feels good yet? I can go on you know.

[ary76]

:lol: chill out guys ...

there's always a mixture of good and bad riders in any group .. wherever they are ..

[aRcHeR]

Ok ok... peace... you win the arguement. TPs are young lousy riders who crash regularly enough to keep Hong Leong in business.

 

I'm just someone naive, self centred with a big ego who has been trying to suck up to the few TP riders in here with the hope that I may escape a speeding ticket in the event that I was caught.

 

Feels good yet? I can go on you know.

 

it's not about whether i win anot.. it's just about getting your facts right. you want to go on, you may carry on. it's your keyboard and fingers afterall, not mine.

[angkuguay]

it's not about whether i win anot.. it's just about getting your facts right. you want to go on, you may carry on. it's your keyboard and fingers afterall, not mine.

 

Alright. Lets talk about facts. You claimed that TP are lousy riders because you see many bikes at Hong Leong waiting for repairs. You then quantify your claims by saying that many of the TP did not go through the 2B/2A/A route. It may be a fact that there are many damaged bikes at Hong Leong. I'm not sure because I've never been there.

 

But based on that alone, you cannot say that the TP (young or old) are lousy because they did not went through the 2B/2A/2 route.

 

Would you be able to provide stats or the source of your facts?

 

I am really curious to learn more. Why? Because the few TP I know are all very skillful on their bikes. They are very very fast on the tracks too. Thus the statements you made about TP being lousy is wrong based on my knowledge.

 

I'm not saying that my knowledge is right and yours is wrong. But I just really want to know because it is in my interest to know. I have an open mind, I hope you do too.

[angkuguay]

When I was in NS basic training last year, they offered direct TP posting if we signed on.

 

So... did you?

[aRcHeR]

Alright. Lets talk about facts. You claimed that TP are lousy riders because you see many bikes at Hong Leong waiting for repairs. You then quantify your claims by saying that many of the TP did not go through the 2B/2A/A route. It may be a fact that there are many damaged bikes at Hong Leong. I'm not sure because I've never been there.

 

But based on that alone, you cannot say that the TP (young or old) are lousy because they did not went through the 2B/2A/2 route.

 

Would you be able to provide stats or the source of your facts?

 

I am really curious to learn more. Why? Because the few TP I know are all very skillful on their bikes. They are very very fast on the tracks too. Thus the statements you made about TP being lousy is wrong based on my knowledge.

 

I'm not saying that my knowledge is right and yours is wrong. But I just really want to know because it is in my interest to know. I have an open mind, I hope you do too.

 

you already said 'the few TP you know', does the few TP = the whole TP patrol team? from team alpha, bravo, charlie, all the way to the task force riders? if you call that, a FEW, then i have nothing to say..

 

i never say all TP riders are lousy riders, just some. if they are that good, why are their bikes in for repairs? i'm not talking about those that are in working conditions, in for routine servicings. can you explain that? sideboxes scratched badly, etc etc..

[angkuguay]

you already said 'the few TP you know', does the few TP = the whole TP patrol team? from team alpha, bravo, charlie, all the way to the task force riders? if you call that, a FEW, then i have nothing to say..i never say all TP riders are lousy riders, just some.

 

The key word is "quantify".

 

Slow down a bit and read my queries again please. Take also the opportunity to go over to the other thread which has been closed and read what you posted there. You said 'lousy TP', and the rest of your posts seemed to point towards your stand that the general(in other words, majority, if not all) population of TPs are lousy. A few can be any number more than one. And no, I do not know every TP.

 

 

if they are that good, why are their bikes in for repairs? i'm not talking about those that are in working conditions, in for routine servicings. can you explain that? sideboxes scratched badly, etc etc..

 

I've said previously that the damaged bikes you see might have been the result of training damages. I was told that their riding course is much harder than those at driving centres. Maybe my friends were pulling my leg, maybe they are telling the truth, I will not be able to find out unless someone else who has been through the course tell me otherwise.

 

Hmmm... going back to your reasoning that they are lousy because they did not go through 2B/2A/2, then based on this firmly held logic of yours, all class 2 riders who got their license their normal way (2B/2A/2) should never have crashed.

 

But why do I still see so many class 2 bikes suffering from crash damages at every motorcycle shop that services class 2 bikes?

 

I guess we are just going round and round with these questions. So unless you are able to quantify and state your sources, there is no way we can continue this discussion.

 

If that is the case, then lets agree to disagree.

[ary76]

I was told that their riding course is much harder than those at driving centres. Maybe my friends were pulling my leg, maybe they are telling the truth, I will not be able to find out unless someone else who has been through the course tell me otherwise.

 

 

it is definately much harder than the riding course at driving centres or even the driving centres' advanced riding courses ..coz some of them dun even noe how to ride a bicycle also , but generally most of them do

 

and a few 'extras' training being thrown in as well ... if ur trainer is good enuff (or u pester him till he gives in) to pass his knowledge and is willing to train u ..