failed 2b tp 3rd time

[Siphon]

but how to you stop with throttling? throttle means moving off, right?

 

and it is said: stop without looking down or aiming at the line. but like that how to make sure i dont stop too far from the line or worse, pass the line or get too close to the vehicle in front??

 

Definition of wobble : To move or rotate with an uneven or rocking motion or unsteadily from side to side.

 

Key word = Unsteadily. Rocking. Side to side. So its like any type of unstable movement is also considered as wobble. And it usually happen when you move off at low speed because you are trying to balance the bike at gear 1 right?

 

To eliminate wobble

1. Stop a little further from the line. This is to give you space to accelerate more. Remember the higher the speed the lesser chance of wobbling. Once you are riding you won't even feel like the bike is unstable correct? its only at low speed this is presence.

2. Throttle is not the only thing you control. your CLUTCH is the POWER transmitter. you can throttle more and CONTROL the clutch to reduce the wobble possibility. Say you throttle to 3500rpm. You slowly release the clutch, the RPM will drop to about 2000rpm due to loading on the engine. So THROTTLE MORE. don't be afraid of the sound. But remember to control the Clutch and do not FULLY RELEASE the clutch when you're in GEAR 1. You will not have a good control of the bike.. and you will be UNSTEADY. and thus, the impression of wobbling...

3. When stopping at slow speed, use your REAR brakes. the front brake will make a jerky motion when you snatch the brakes... and thus have a ROCKING motion when you stop. Result = wobbling.

 

Hope this helps bro

[Siphon]

Speaking of wobbling, there are 2 parts to the wobbling demerits:

 

1. wobble when moving off/stopping

2. wobble when turning/going bends/changing lanes

 

I would like to ask, to counter point 1, I just need to throttle? as much as possible? then stopping leh?

 

For point 2, so long as i grip my tank, i will surely not wobble?

How about when checking blind spots? I know we need to check blind spots before turning but sometimes, especially at the traffic light junction, your bike is already turned into some degree as you wait for traffic to clear (e.g. pockets/filter lane). So after you move off, you need to check blind spots before making a complete turn. While checking, wont people wobble a bit? Cuz a handful of time the instructors told me I wobble whenever I check blind spots lol

 

 

P.S. I dont feel I wobble, but always kena point out by instructors I wobble. Is it the same as everyone also? People see you wobble but you dont feel it? Hence, i always feel wronged when they say i wobble lol

 

If you wobble when you check blindspot it simply means you're turning your head too much... or too fast haha...

 

Its different from checking BACK. Blind spot check is to make sure there is no vehicle BESIDE you and slightly behind on your 5 and 8 o'clock position (assuming front is 12 o'clock). Move your eyes more to do the checking. Your head should just turn about 45 degrees to the side. Turn more and your hands will pull the handlebar and cause you to wobble. Because its an uncontrolled movement on the hand and you will swerve.

 

Check back means your head should turn about 120 degrees behind to see BEHIND your BACK at a STATIONARY position. Move handlebar also never mind cause confirm cannot wobble... because you are not moving yet. SThe point is both checks are very different. So don't mix it up.

[bikerunner]

@Siphon 1st of all thanks bro for always helping out with questions and always so detailed

 

Regarding wobbling:

 

I never feel that i wobble. (well, not counting the early stages, at least not when i got pointed out lol and maybe once a while while stopping for crank course cuz for SSDC, there's a left turn just before crank course) So i havent feel unstable for sometime lol (hope i dont sound arrogant or yaya haha) Hence, whenever someone tell me why i wobble so much, I gave a question-mark face like "since when i wobble?" But then since so many say i wobble, it is certainly a fact! haha

 

I will do as you and many others have advised and that is to throttle more. And of course to control the clutch at half-clutch and not be afraid of the sound. But then, the bikes at SSDC do not have the rpm meter, so how do i know whether the engine is running at which rpm? o.0

 

I almost never use front brakes cuz like you said it's jerky, except when doing e-brakes and REALLY doing e-brakes (you know, even in circuit, cars also dont give right-of-way -.-)

 

 

Blind spots:

 

I know the difference but I do admit sometimes i turn my head too much (especially when i didnt check mirrors lol!)

[Siphon]

Hmmm... from when you're saying, i think you're already quite comfortable on the bike.

 

For the RPM part, it doesn't have a rpm meter?!?! hahaa... sorry my bad, i think its been a little long since i saw the meter already. pai seh...

Rev it until u feel that its "alittle loud" then release the clutch. When you release the clutch you will feel like it always has power and won't "die". That will be more than enough. Another guage might be to feel that if you throw the clutch suddenly you might wheelie then ya it is more than enough.

 

Wobble, exactly which area? did the instructor say? Sometimes they will catch u "wobbling" when your thighs leave the tank... Got one instructor said that to me at the crank... "You think you V rossi? Why open your leg when turning so slow"? Funny guy... but that made me realize my mistake too. Wobble is 2 point? or was it 4 points? too many times of wobble can cause a failure... so good to trim that down too.

[xiaozozo]

i do not wobble during general riding, however in the school it makes me nervous and sometimes i make faults like wobble and incorrect checking of blind spot.

 

My wobble mistake happens when moving off, i will "adjust" the handlebar. For me its just a reactionary measure, in case the bike goes out of position. This occurs mainly due to too much throttle when moving off. Give it slow throttle and half clutch, before accelerating more and change to Gear2.

 

Wobbling when turning, this is a problem for all riders. Happens when u make a turn too fast, or too slow and you have to TURN the handlebar to compensate and stay in the middle of lane. Best way is to position bike straight and slow throttle method above.

 

Wobble when stopping happens when u stop abruptly, hard breaking, both front and rear brakes. For this, just slow down your speed and use both front and rear brake to reduce speed of the bike, until clutch in rear brake and stop.

 

The above are just my personal observations of my own mistake. I still wobble alot when moving off at traffic lights, but usually on roads, we throttle alot more and the bike will just balance itself and move forward instead of sideways. Hope you can get your 2b license soon

[bikerunner]

Hmmm... from when you're saying, i think you're already quite comfortable on the bike.

 

For the RPM part, it doesn't have a rpm meter?!?! hahaa... sorry my bad, i think its been a little long since i saw the meter already. pai seh...

Rev it until u feel that its "alittle loud" then release the clutch. When you release the clutch you will feel like it always has power and won't "die". That will be more than enough. Another guage might be to feel that if you throw the clutch suddenly you might wheelie then ya it is more than enough.

 

Wobble, exactly which area? did the instructor say? Sometimes they will catch u "wobbling" when your thighs leave the tank... Got one instructor said that to me at the crank... "You think you V rossi? Why open your leg when turning so slow"? Funny guy... but that made me realize my mistake too. Wobble is 2 point? or was it 4 points? too many times of wobble can cause a failure... so good to trim that down too.

 

 

wa wheelie, later i fall and become the center of attention hahaha

 

For my wobbling, i think mainly is the area under 'Wobble when turning/negotiating bend/changing lane' part.

 

Cuz during my TP, all the boxes under this line are ticked and 2 of the 'Wobble when moving off/stopping' are ticked (A total of 12 points leh!! If dont have them i would have passed already! )

 

Got once even an instructor told me to just check the blind spots at the filter lane twice only (one before going in and the other before going out, omit the center). I asked him: "Thought need check 3 times?" and he said: "Ya, and you see how many times you wobble?"

 

So must be the turning that is the killer lor. The tester told me during the review that i must grip the tank. So by gripping, i totally wont wobble? Or are there more?

[bikerunner]

i do not wobble during general riding, however in the school it makes me nervous and sometimes i make faults like wobble and incorrect checking of blind spot.

 

My wobble mistake happens when moving off, i will "adjust" the handlebar. For me its just a reactionary measure, in case the bike goes out of position. This occurs mainly due to too much throttle when moving off. Give it slow throttle and half clutch, before accelerating more and change to Gear2.

 

Wobbling when turning, this is a problem for all riders. Happens when u make a turn too fast, or too slow and you have to TURN the handlebar to compensate and stay in the middle of lane. Best way is to position bike straight and slow throttle method above.

 

Wobble when stopping happens when u stop abruptly, hard breaking, both front and rear brakes. For this, just slow down your speed and use both front and rear brake to reduce speed of the bike, until clutch in rear brake and stop.

 

The above are just my personal observations of my own mistake. I still wobble alot when moving off at traffic lights, but usually on roads, we throttle alot more and the bike will just balance itself and move forward instead of sideways. Hope you can get your 2b license soon

 

School make you nervous? haha I am opposite of you lol!

 

Anyway, so from you say, i must still throttle more to overcome wobble? For both moving off and turning, right?

 

Then for stopping, just brake early right?

[Keoni]

but how to you stop with throttling? throttle means moving off, right?

 

and it is said: stop without looking down or aiming at the line. but like that how to make sure i dont stop too far from the line or worse, pass the line or get too close to the vehicle in front??

 

You don't have to look at the line to stop. Try this: Sit on the bike and walk it to the stop line. Keep looking up ahead of you. DON'T look at the line. You will know when to stop without going over the line. Trust me. I have tried this with many people and it worked for ALL of them.

[arxdd]

wow guys didn't know this thread is still alive haha thank you so much for your kind words everyone. i almost gave up seriously for 6 months haven't go for my 2B but yes i have booked my tp and your tips to fellow learner rider bikerunner is helpful to me too. don't worry i chalked up all my points because of wobbling. i'm practically going for CR everyweek to get the grip on moving off and turning without wobbling. i think it's possible must perfect playing with the throttle and not to throw the clutch during turns. I think. Haha. Jiayou!!!

[JiaWing]

lol 2b is the hardest to get

i took 5 times to pass but that was year 1999 and 1 time for 2a

still thinking wanna take class 2 anot

 

its very easy to get points from wobble and blind spot

just remember, never look at ur handle bar when u are riding

when ur head look down on the handle bar or tank, u will tends to wobble

head always look straight, roll down ur eyeball abit if u need to look at the stop line and faster look back straight

 

actually no matter u are riding straight or turning, never look at the handle bar and tank, esp while turning like doing the figure 8

if u look at the handle bar while u turn, u will find that u cannot turn well, ur bike will go towards the kerb instead

ur head must look at the turning direction

its also the same for plank course, if u look down while going through the plank, u will fall off easily

so never look at handle bar or tank while riding regardless going straight or turning

 

most impt for blind spot, u must make sure the tester saw that u turn ur head

so u must turn ur head more to the direction even tho u dun have to turn so much

example sometimes u just need to turn ur eyeball or turn ur head abit like 20 deg to check blind spot but during test, turn ur head more like towards 45 deg

make sure the tester saw ur head turn, if not they will give u points for not checking blind spot

[bikerunner]

most impt for blind spot, u must make sure the tester saw that u turn ur head

so u must turn ur head more to the direction even tho u dun have to turn so much

example sometimes u just need to turn ur eyeball or turn ur head abit like 20 deg to check blind spot but during test, turn ur head more like towards 45 deg

make sure the tester saw ur head turn, if not they will give u points for not checking blind spot

 

if my head turns too much, i will wobble (according to the instructors), so i cannot turn too much, but if i turn too little, i also scared they will say i didnt check blind spot. haiz, the life of being a testee

 

 

arxdd, jia you and let's pass our upcoming TP test! I also took very long to get to TP stage

[Siphon]

if my head turns too much, i will wobble (according to the instructors), so i cannot turn too much, but if i turn too little, i also scared they will say i didnt check blind spot. haiz, the life of being a testee

 

 

arxdd, jia you and let's pass our upcoming TP test! I also took very long to get to TP stage

 

Maybe try this... But do this only in the circuit...

 

1. Turn your head slower to check blind spot. Turning slowly helps to prevent wobble, because you don't jerk your head

2. Keep head there for a little while longer while you move your eye balls to the front!

3. Turn your head back to the front.

 

This will make the instructor SEE your check blind and also give them the confidence that you ARE checking...

 

Truth is riders on the road... we have no issues checking our blind spot if you're not lazy... its usually the driver aka cagers whom are lazy to check... and even lazier to signal...

I signal on a bike... and its so much harder to signal on a bike than in a car... its just how much you care about the people moving around you. Doesn't hurt to tell the car/bike behind you your intention. Ok... drifting away.

 

Try the trick i think the instructor will not fault you anymore.

[Genius]

Make sure ur shoulder don move or it will be incorrect checking of blind spot

[baboonish]

Thorough checking of blind-spots, right-turn wobbling and lane changing were the main killers during my batch of prac 8s and TP. I feel the TP were more lenient on the actual day then the instructors on a whole. Then again, it's your luck. Keep trying! It would be better to make more mistakes as a student than out on the road. Good luck and all the best!

[GGBike]

I have already fail my practical 7 (the trial test) in SSDC for 4 times already. Each prac lesson is so expensive, sometime I even have the giving up mentality. However, after reading through the replies here, somehow I found a bit of strength to persevere on. Hopefully will pass on my 5th attempt and book my tp.

 

The instructors say I happen to wobble when I am checking my blindspot, banking and lane change. However, I do not feel it myself. Is not gripping the tank hard enough one of the reason? Any tips to solve this problem?

[Pinapple]

I have already fail my practical 7 (the trial test) in SSDC for 4 times already. Each prac lesson is so expensive, sometime I even have the giving up mentality. However, after reading through the replies here, somehow I found a bit of strength to persevere on. Hopefully will pass on my 5th attempt and book my tp.

 

The instructors say I happen to wobble when I am checking my blindspot, banking and lane change. However, I do not feel it myself. Is not gripping the tank hard enough one of the reason? Any tips to solve this problem?

 

Never give up. I took my prac 7 at ssdc also 3 times. First time 30 points with 1 immediate failure, second time 38 points with 2 immediate failures. Third time i was supposed to fail, but the instructor gave me chance and let me pass. Took one attempt to pass 2B TP. Before prac 7 make sure to do a lot more circuit revision... more effective then road and also cheaper. Check what your mistakes are and make sure to correct them/ ask for tips from the instructors.

For checking blindspot, make sure you turn your head gradually and not jerk your head, if not sure wobble.

[GGBike]

Never give up. I took my prac 7 at ssdc also 3 times. First time 30 points with 1 immediate failure, second time 38 points with 2 immediate failures. Third time i was supposed to fail, but the instructor gave me chance and let me pass. Took one attempt to pass 2B TP. Before prac 7 make sure to do a lot more circuit revision... more effective then road and also cheaper. Check what your mistakes are and make sure to correct them/ ask for tips from the instructors.

For checking blindspot, make sure you turn your head gradually and not jerk your head, if not sure wobble.

 

Did u ask the instructors to follow you and observe the way u do your circuits during your CR?

[Cellardoor]

Better to make mistakes in lessons than in your TP test.

 

Better to make mistakes in your TP test than on the roads outside.

 

Keep going!

[Pinapple]

Did u ask the instructors to follow you and observe the way u do your circuits during your CR?

 

For SSDC, sometimes there will be instructors at the courses (eg just after the figure 8). They may time you sometimes and thats when you can ask them if they see you wobble. Ask him to keep a look out for you and then ask for any tips to stop wobble I never asked them to follow, I think if they did so, everybody would want that.