[Group] Singapore BAJAJ Team (SBT)

[revhappy]

Anyone knows if the LCD meter on P180 can be fitted onto P200?

Any known error or fault so far?

 

Better call up universal motors to confirm. If it is UG3 meter then tyre sizes are different, you may get speedo error, but then again I dont know if the sensor at the wheel is responsible for the measurement or there is a sensor in the meter.

[revhappy]

After riding the pulsar and the phantom, I want to try this bike Suzuki dr200, seems to one of the cheapest and newest 200 cc scramblers. A FBD plate can be got for 5k. If I see one close to 3k I will grab one.

[Lucky21]

After riding the pulsar and the phantom, I want to try this bike Suzuki dr200, seems to one of the cheapest and newest 200 cc scramblers. A FBD plate can be got for 5k. If I see one close to 3k I will grab one.

 

I am thinking of TW when my pulsar has reached its end of COE. Just sent "him" to Ah Teck for top overhaul, hopefully will not incur too much damage to my pocket.

[revhappy]

I am thinking of TW when my pulsar has reached its end of COE. Just sent "him" to Ah Teck for top overhaul, hopefully will not incur too much damage to my pocket.

 

Ok btw, why top overhaul? What happened to the bike?

[alvinyansg]

Ok btw, why top overhaul? What happened to the bike?

 

overhaul does not mean having problems...

overhaul can also be used as preventive maintenance...

[alvinyansg]

Anyone knows if the LCD meter on P180 can be fitted onto P200?

Any known error or fault so far?

 

likely not...

P200 meter has the circuits for the sensors and display which UG3 don't have...

[alvinyansg]

Better call up universal motors to confirm. If it is UG3 meter then tyre sizes are different, you may get speedo error, but then again I dont know if the sensor at the wheel is responsible for the measurement or there is a sensor in the meter.

 

what has speedo meter got to do with tire size?

sensor to measure the tire size?

something new...

 

sensor at the front tire is your speed sensor...

[revhappy]

what has speedo meter got to do with tire size?

sensor to measure the tire size?

something new...

 

sensor at the front tire is your speed sensor...

 

The speedo is caliberated to show the speed for the stock tyre size. Now if you change the front tyre size you get speedo error.

 

Now I dont know whether the sensor is in the tyre or in the speedo meter, that I have mentioned already in the post.

[revhappy]

overhaul does not mean having problems...

overhaul can also be used as preventive maintenance...

 

Yes, but then I would imagine, considering the high labour costs it makes sense to do it only if you see some signs of wear and tear.

 

Imagine you spend 150$ to open the engine and you see some parts slight wear about 10%. Now UM mechs will say, "Change Lah, better" so you end up changing stuff that could have lasted longer. So changing stuff you spend about 300$, not sure if it is worth it if you have maintainted the bike well with regular EO changes.

 

But if you hear cam chain rattling sound, black smoke from exhaust or eo level reducing these are signs that some trouble is brewing. Thats what I was asking to Lucky, if he saw any of these signs.

[alvinyansg]

The speedo is caliberated to show the speed for the stock tyre size. Now if you change the front tyre size you get speedo error.

 

Now I dont know whether the sensor is in the tyre or in the speedo meter, that I have mentioned already in the post.

 

the sensor is mounted on the left front fork...

the sensor is to measure the rotation of your front tire...

the tire size does not effect the sensor as it is not mounted in the rims or tires...

stock front tire size for 180 is 90/90 but you can go up to 100/90(depending on brand) as long as it is not obstructed by the forks and front fender...

[alvinyansg]

Yes, but then I would imagine, considering the high labour costs it makes sense to do it only if you see some signs of wear and tear.

 

Imagine you spend 150$ to open the engine and you see some parts slight wear about 10%. Now UM mechs will say, "Change Lah, better" so you end up changing stuff that could have lasted longer. So changing stuff you spend about 300$, not sure if it is worth it if you have maintainted the bike well with regular EO changes.

 

But if you hear cam chain rattling sound, black smoke from exhaust or eo level reducing these are signs that some trouble is brewing. Thats what I was asking to Lucky, if he saw any of these signs.

 

of course not asking you to open up your engine for top overhaul at 10k with no problems...

following the manual recommended to do top overhaul at 40k...

to do or not to do is individual preference...

i believe in prevention rather than when something major happens then you react...

[alvinyansg]

Yes, but then I would imagine, considering the high labour costs it makes sense to do it only if you see some signs of wear and tear.

 

Imagine you spend 150$ to open the engine and you see some parts slight wear about 10%. Now UM mechs will say, "Change Lah, better" so you end up changing stuff that could have lasted longer. So changing stuff you spend about 300$, not sure if it is worth it if you have maintainted the bike well with regular EO changes.

 

But if you hear cam chain rattling sound, black smoke from exhaust or eo level reducing these are signs that some trouble is brewing. Thats what I was asking to Lucky, if he saw any of these signs.

 

of course not asking you to open up your engine for top overhaul at 10k with no problems...

following the manual recommended to do top overhaul at 40k...

to do or not to do is individual preference...

i believe in prevention rather than when something major happens then you react...

[revhappy]

of course not asking you to open up your engine for top overhaul at 10k with no problems...

following the manual recommended to do top overhaul at 40k...

to do or not to do is individual preference...

i believe in prevention rather than when something major happens then you react...

 

Yeah agree. But sometimes economics determines things more than the technicals. In India, the costs are really low and infact when I came to Singapore I was really shocked by the way motor bike shops work here. You need to tell them if there is some issue and then they will look at it. In India, you would religiously follow the schedule of every 5k/10k kms you send the bike to workshop and you collect it and the mechanics go by the maintenance schedule and replace/repair exactly according to it. If there are any problems you have to tell the service advisor. The service advisor notes down and then looking at the Odo meter, he will tell you what needs to be changed for that mileage.

 

Later I realised that the costs here, do not allow to follow that kind of approach to repair/replace stuff unless its really necessary. So here I really try to learn about the bike to avoid unnecessary expenses

Edited August 13, 2012 by revhappy

[revhappy]

Last wednesday I was a UM and I saw one FZ plate UG2 going through full overhaul and I heard the service advisor giving the final quote to the customer over the phone. I heard him telling 1.3k is the cost for the overhaul. I was like WTH. He spent so much on an FZ plate UG2? He tries to sell the bike now its market price is 1.5k. Even UM is selling UG2 pulsars for 2.2K. So how to justify the 1.3k price for full overhaul with just 3 years COE remaining. He might as well have sold off the bike and bought a new one.

Edited August 13, 2012 by revhappy

[wanjai]

India most or everything is cheap when compare to Sg. Labour, Rental, meals, transports and so on.......

 

Singapore the opposite. Everyone pay so much. Our dosai or prata probably cost 100% more then in India. Try Japan, Usa, european countries, even Aussie.... same same..

 

Foreigners or locals who work here also get higher salary then in India. So paying Singapore price is part and parcel of living here. If there are way to save by all means go for it. There is a thing called opportunity cost. You buy your meal from the stall will be more ex then if you cooked by yourself, but you have less time for other things and your cooking may not be as good as the bought one.

 

I also suffer from the same problem. Money not enough to spend in Sg.

[revhappy]

Hey Wanjai, you seem to be an old bird pulsarian, I see your posts in the Bajaj 2007 lovers thread, haha. Welcome back!

 

Btw, Singapore salaries are about twice that of India, but pulsar costs 3.5 times and spare parts cost 4 times, so even though salary is high we need to manage properly or else we will spend more than we earn

[wanjai]

Yap, once a upon a time Pulsarian.

 

Yes, Vehicle price in SG is highest or one of the highest in the world because of our greedy LTA who started the COE and ERP. Just imagine coe for cars now at $95,000/-. I think can easily buy 2 big Jap cars in India with COE MONEY ALONE. Not much different for motorcycles when COE is at $2,100/-. One time reach $2,600/-

 

As for spare parts I can only comment that dead stock plays a big part in in all spare parts inventory of any vehicle, machinery or household electrical items. I know because I use to work in inventory line. Just like imagine, what are the distributor going to do with the balance parts when after so many years the machine are not in use anymore. More so for vehicles when before or after the COE expires the vehicles are exported or scrap. One day there will not be UG1 or 2 or 3 or 4 on the road in SG any more and what is UM going to do with the balance parts? I read somewhere in this forum that some you guys buy parts directly from India. You bought what you need and no dead stock.

 

Sure we have to manage our money properly or else over spent and have to borrow. That's when you know you have friends or not. Hee..he...

 

Guys, enjoy your rides.

[revhappy]

the sensor is mounted on the left front fork...

the sensor is to measure the rotation of your front tire...

the tire size does not effect the sensor as it is not mounted in the rims or tires...

stock front tire size for 180 is 90/90 but you can go up to 100/90(depending on brand) as long as it is not obstructed by the forks and front fender...

 

But bro front tyre circumference change will confirm cause speedo error. From your post I understand that sensor is in the wheel and not the meter so meter change from one type of bike to another type won't cause speedo error.

[revhappy]

Anybody with a pulsar 200 or p180 ug4 planning to respray bike to a different color, with good condition paintwork but only to change color? Let me know. Maybe we can exchange all the colored body parts and I top up you, haha.

[mjbs64]

Yap, once a upon a time Pulsarian.

 

Yes, Vehicle price in SG is highest or one of the highest in the world because of our greedy LTA who started the COE and ERP. Just imagine coe for cars now at $95,000/-. I think can easily buy 2 big Jap cars in India with COE MONEY ALONE. Not much different for motorcycles when COE is at $2,100/-. One time reach $2,600/-

 

As for spare parts I can only comment that dead stock plays a big part in in all spare parts inventory of any vehicle, machinery or household electrical items. I know because I use to work in inventory line. Just like imagine, what are the distributor going to do with the balance parts when after so many years the machine are not in use anymore. More so for vehicles when before or after the COE expires the vehicles are exported or scrap. One day there will not be UG1 or 2 or 3 or 4 on the road in SG any more and what is UM going to do with the balance parts? I read somewhere in this forum that some you guys buy parts directly from India. You bought what you need and no dead stock.

 

Sure we have to manage our money properly or else over spent and have to borrow. That's when you know you have friends or not. Hee..he...

 

Guys, enjoy your rides.

 

 

wanjai .. do you ride pulsar? ....

 

looking at ur posting .. u kind of very defensive on pulsar?

 

r u related to UMPL?

 

or

 

r u David?

 

or the big boss? ....

 

 

wkwkwkwkwkkw ...

[alvinyansg]

But bro front tyre circumference change will confirm cause speedo error. From your post I understand that sensor is in the wheel and not the meter so meter change from one type of bike to another type won't cause speedo error.

 

confirm will not affect...

the wheel speed sensor's main purpose is to measure the rotation of your rim & tire...

like i say the sensor is not mounted on the rim it is on the outside of the left front fork...

so the tire diameter don't affect anything at all...

why i say depends on brand is cause different brand although the diameter print the same, the design differs hence might rub against your fork or front fender...

[revhappy]

confirm will not affect...

the wheel speed sensor's main purpose is to measure the rotation of your rim & tire...

like i say the sensor is not mounted on the rim it is on the outside of the left front fork...

so the tire diameter don't affect anything at all...

why i say depends on brand is cause different brand although the diameter print the same, the design differs hence might rub against your fork or front fender...

 

It will lah bro. You can google for the actual physics, but just to give you quick proof. Let's say you put a tyre of half the circumference, the sensor is the same but now 1 rotation means half the distance covered but speedo and odo will show the same reading, but in reality the speed is actually half of what the reading shows.

[robbedzombie]

It will lah bro. You can google for the actual physics, but just to give you quick proof. Let's say you put a tyre of half the circumference, the sensor is the same but now 1 rotation means half the distance covered but speedo and odo will show the same reading, but in reality the speed is actually half of what the reading shows.

 

makes alot of sense...

[alvinyansg]

It will lah bro. You can google for the actual physics, but just to give you quick proof. Let's say you put a tyre of half the circumference, the sensor is the same but now 1 rotation means half the distance covered but speedo and odo will show the same reading, but in reality the speed is actually half of what the reading shows.

 

what you are suggesting will be true if you upsize your rim size from 17" to 22" or downsize from 17" to 12"...

what is changed here is the width of your tire to +/- 10mm...

the resulting error will be minimal and will be negligible...

unless you are looking to pin point match your speed to the GPS measured speed, then this amount of difference does not effect anything...

[SC Gaban]

Yap, once a upon a time Pulsarian.

 

Yes, Vehicle price in SG is highest or one of the highest in the world because of our greedy LTA who started the COE and ERP. Just imagine coe for cars now at $95,000/-. I think can easily buy 2 big Jap cars in India with COE MONEY ALONE. Not much different for motorcycles when COE is at $2,100/-. One time reach $2,600/-

 

As for spare parts I can only comment that dead stock plays a big part in in all spare parts inventory of any vehicle, machinery or household electrical items. I know because I use to work in inventory line. Just like imagine, what are the distributor going to do with the balance parts when after so many years the machine are not in use anymore. More so for vehicles when before or after the COE expires the vehicles are exported or scrap. One day there will not be UG1 or 2 or 3 or 4 on the road in SG any more and what is UM going to do with the balance parts? I read somewhere in this forum that some you guys buy parts directly from India. You bought what you need and no dead stock.

 

Sure we have to manage our money properly or else over spent and have to borrow. That's when you know you have friends or not. Hee..he...

 

Guys, enjoy your rides.

 

then live simple.