[DIY] The Clinic

[chuan.z]

No need. Diesel I have about 500ml left over at home.

I can bring that.

 

Now we just have to make sure we have a way to get the phantom on a support, since phantoms don't come with a main stand.

 

I think I have some left over diesel also, need to check... I'll bring along if still usable + jack. But i'll have to take leave by about 5pm...

 

 

Project DIY Oiler sesson

 

Subject to Quantity 20 sets only Total

 

How much? - $5 to $10 ($$ are for materials)

When dude? - 12th September 2009 3pm

Who? - All are welcome

What? - SIMPLY add your Name to the List

Where? - The Clinic ,The Bayshore Condo.tower 2b ,unit 04-01..

 

Those sign up before next week be given a chain scrub for FREE

 

1. mepkoh

2. silent x2 sets

3. jtzx

4. weird username

5. caydias

6. zhi ming

7. VidaK

8. iewnuj

9. SNapEl

10. Sh3rman

11. Zai23

12. dw123

13. chuan.z

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[mepkoh]

those who want fast result bring your own diesel..

hahah...have to be very careful when bike is being run...dont end up taking a diesel bath

[mepkoh]

since u all have been so patient ...even suppoerted without viewing details..

now i will show u my master piece...

those who want to bail out..its okay with me..

 

but the scubber is the best part...i think most of us..(including myself) is kicking ourselves...when we oil the chains without cleaning thinking that we have done a correct maintenance. I think by now most understand that oiling chains without cleaning is incorrect and not so effective..and definitely a bad practice if i may add.

 

so the scubber is the main event...the oiler suddenly becomes the side show..hahaha.

 

those who come can witness the device being unveiled..

teh photos are self explanetary..

the desig of the oiler is based on gravity just like the medicine bottle..

but the amount of oil dosed can be controlled...and this is the main diff..

u can preset the pump by varying its stroke..eg.i pump once just before i begin my ride...if need more pump several times...thus if one stroke is 2ml...work it out yourself how many ml u want to dose.

the other advantage is that the problem of dosing the whole bottle when u forget to turn it off after riiding ( sometimes happens with the medicine bottle and valves method.)will never happen..unless the bottle leaks....will like to hear your comments..thanks..

so get the pump ..mine is from a bath gel, liquid soap, shampoo dispenser..

because of the size of the pump...i ues a small drinking bottle with the neck diy to fit the pump. so anyone who has a tiny bottle that fits the pump or have sources to small pump tell us....thanks.

 

those pump that have a round tube outlet is best...other designs ie flat and odd shape..no good.

Edited August 20, 2009 by mepkoh

[sh3rman]

diesel how to buy? go petrol station pump into water bottle?

[mepkoh]

diesel how to buy? go petrol station pump into water bottle?

 

best is to store it in a mettalic can...this is for sagfety reason...by law diesel/petrol are not allowed to store in plastic containers unless passes certain std...but u can always get a "dynamo" liquid soap container in...

the plastice is tougher than bottles..

[jtzx]

Wa siew man... cant wait for DIY clinic... Ups la.

[mepkoh]

i have witness a factory fire...this guy is welding a cylindrical tubes on a lathe..

the parts have to be cleaned first before welding. saftey cleaning fluid like white spirit is called for..but for whatever reason somehow some vry volatile solution is being used...the reason being there are very effective in degreasing the parts..

 

so after a while the whole place caught fire..

what happen was..the operator has aplastic container on the floor..may be 10L of the solvent in it.. he takes acloth dip it into the solvent and move it to the lathe and clean the parts set up on it...so in the process of transfering the cloth drips of solvent drop on to the floor folowing the path of the transfer...

one day...the swafth caught fire..ie while welding some sparks fell on it...AND A FIRE STARTED AND START TO FOLLOW/.. the path where the drops of solvent has been dripping on the floor...and beore long the open container caught fire...initial the top of the container.. the solvent is burning..before long the container melted and the unburnt solvent in the container flow out as the container collapse..thus making a fire ball..

 

so guys becreful with solvents in plastic containers.

[mepkoh]

The scubber will be showcased on diy day...

[mepkoh]

after installing the oiler ..ran the bike..off course the goo in the chain turns into mud..and starts to drip here and there...

then inspiration strikes and yhe scubber beginf its life then..

together with the oiler it works like a charm..the side effect is that the wheels became its victim..hahahha

 

so now we add diesel to hasten the cleaning time...running th bike stationary..taking precaution by having guards all round the places where we want to keep clean if possible to minimise the throw off on to the bike,

[mepkoh]

heres a photo of the wheel...spend less than 2 minutes to clean off the throw off..ater the initial run.

judge for yoursel whether its worth your while to do it.

Edited August 20, 2009 by mepkoh

[mepkoh]

after the initial run to clean up the chain..next u have to decide the dosage qty..

some may like a few ml everytime they ride or xxxml once a day..

whatever method u choose u have to observe and do your own calibration as to how much?/ how frquently u want to do it. the objective is no throw off and at the same time oil chain properly....whether the qty dose in no throw off conditions is sufficient to oil the chain.dose until u are comfortable with it...

 

the scubber once fixed u can practically leave it alone...it will keep on cleaning the chain continuosly...once in awhile need to check whether it is in the correct position and readjust if neccessary.

Now a word of caution..as the scubber is a mechanical device...it comes into contact with the chain...and it wears off with time.... ..bits and pieces may come off...thus there is a possibilty of damage to your chain...but i feel the chances are tolerable. but to be perfect in maintaining the scubber...say u change the consumable once every 500, 1000km ride..u decide..and this preventive maintenance will prevent the bits nad oieces coming off as it will be replaced beore that happens. the time to replace..i cannot predict..it depends on the consumable as well as how well u have adjusted the tension as to the way u ride...as i have not done any life test on it..if u want answer u have to foot the bill for this test..say $10000 will be nice.

zo u take the risk and decide what u wan to do.

 

at the end of the day is that, u dont have to clean the chain anymore..unless u r a perfectionist. the scubber may not be able to remove all the goo but with the oiler working together i ma sure a large % of the goo is removed..and at the end of the day if u are not happy with it..just dismantle and thorw it away. and return to your good old days/ways..the impact is a few dollars here and there.

 

the best part is it is practially clean ..no more dirty hands and no more hours spend bending trying o clean the chain..and the end result is that the chain life will be longer than ur current practise.

 

the time spend running the oiler and scubber is topping up the cleaning EO..and the split second in dosing the oil occasionally adusting the scubber and cleaning wheels and the surrounding area. if you calculate and compare the time taken and the end result....it will be a no brainer and that u will install the devices. IMHO>

Edited August 20, 2009 by mepkoh

[Zai23]

bro a question. so every time b4 we move, we have to pump the oil into the tube and from there the oil will flow?

i juz did some research and maybe u could tap in the air tube for your tank. tiz wae, the air would come in only when u r moving as in the petrol.

only problem is whr to run the tube.

 

Another question is how compact is the whole system?

it seems big looking at the pic.

 

im sorry for asking so much. Maybe it will gif some ideas from diff perspective.

[mepkoh]

so those who feels that they bwant to withdray from the diy..please do so. so the vacated slot can be use by other interested party.

 

please post your commends or queries so that w can ammend the desgn if required and answer all your quries here,,so that we dont have to spend time going over it at the diy..

 

so DIYist read up ...

[mepkoh]

bro a question. so every time b4 we move, we have to pump the oil into the tube and from there the oil will flow?

i juz did some research and maybe u could tap in the air tube for your tank. tiz wae, the air would come in only when u r moving as in the petrol.

only problem is whr to run the tube.

 

Another question is how compact is the whole system?

it seems big looking at the pic.

 

im sorry for asking so much. Maybe it will gif some ideas from diff perspective.

 

the petrol is being sucked by the vacuum created in the carb...but how to create the vacuum??i ma not sure if the vacuum created is big enough to draw the EO...remeber there is more work...too much work..ie replacing special cap..tuning and calibrating etc..have no time at this point.

this could be a deluxe version for future upgrades..ie means more $$$$.

 

the bottle and pump total length is about 18cm. thats the reason that i request anyone who can come up with a shorter compact version...in the meantime this is the best solution that i have..as we go along we /u can improve when u come across compact pumps or tiny bottles...the bottles should be short and the dia larger..then the overall length /height can be reduced...or some unqiue method..

Edited August 20, 2009 by mepkoh

[mepkoh]

off course..the medicine bottle could be used here...bring your own medicine bottle and valves..this is small and comapct...

but fragile, small amount of EO..more topping up..if froget to turn off the whole bottle of eo will be on the floor..maybe some can calculate 50ml of EO what is the max area that it can spread/cover.

[mepkoh]

there are many methods for the oiler...so u feel adifferent one is better, u still can join the diy..and lets us admire your unique oiler.

 

the solution ofered here is low cost..and do a good job.

the "over size" pump and bottle...may be a talking point..but for the beautiful set this may be hideous..some would like to hide it,,,and some would want to display it..

and in the end cannot please everybody..

Edited August 20, 2009 by mepkoh

[mepkoh]

for a slim line one...i have been thinking about it since i started to get interested in the oiler.. my proposal is the medicine bottle model with 2 valves.. with the following fittings.

 

instead of using bottles use tubes..lets say 1/2 inch stainless/copper pipe ..the length is up to the individual...i would have it follow the frame from the front to the rear..

the step down to the oiling tip is by means of pneumatic hose fittings...the snap on type

. on the pipe before step down a normal valve is used...just before the oiling part a mimi valve is connected..

this is actually my desired design.

 

so u have a slim design that can be 1m long and can be installed anywhere on the bike..so slim line that to the cauual observer it is part of the bike design..

 

so guys out there do u know of any supplier of pneumatic automation fittings..i would vey much like to try out this way..but the cost may be high...say $50 easily...by then the commercial ones available will be attractive..

 

so u see, the curent proposed design is a real DIY...low cost (practically u are paying for the tube cost and EO)..which everyone can made and all supplies available at yor neighbouhood shop. our low cost is get your bottle and pump from your bath room, and the bottle I use is a 330ml water bottle. i have purchase several tiny bottles to try..but unsuceesful..the latest one which i tried is a 3" high 50 ml bottle including the pump..but the nozzle outlet is odd shape..not round so cannot make a good oil tight connection it leaks.

 

 

i can only suggest to those who find the current set up too big, too hideous or unacceptable to try it out.. and with time i am sure improvements can be made when we have found a more suitable solution tha we have now...

 

this diy is not the end once it is fixed...problems will crop up here and there...and the weakness of the design will be show up.. so keep on posting on the sublect and with time this will be a stable design ..and be a standard installation on diyers bike..

Edited August 20, 2009 by mepkoh

[mepkoh]

The good news is that..so far none wanted to withdraw from the diy...

 

thank you guys for the support..thanks.

[jtzx]

wa.. siew man...

 

this DIY alarm is the best..

 

one day we can try it too ;-)

 

http://singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5733935&posted=1#post5733935

[jtzx]

mepkoh : your DIy oiler rox thats why no one wanna withdraw ;-)

 

keep it up:angel:

 

 

Huat ah! 1 week more

[jtzx]

Project DIY Oiler sesson

 

Subject to Quantity 20 sets only Total

 

How much? - $5 to $10 ($$ are for materials)

When dude? - 12th September 2009 3pm

Who? - All are welcome

What? - SIMPLY add your Name to the List

Where? - The Clinic ,The Bayshore Condo.tower 2b ,unit 04-01..

 

Those sign up before next week be given a chain scrub for FREE

 

1. mepkoh

2. silent x2 sets

3. jtzx

4. weird username

5. caydias

6. zhi ming

7. VidaK

8. iewnuj

9. SNapEl

10. Sh3rman

11. Zai23

12. dw123

13. chuan.z

14.

15.

16.

17.

18.

19.

[mepkoh]

while posting another idea came..instaed of bottle ..we can try to get a pipe to fit the 30 mm dia pump ( i reliase that the shampoo bottle pump is a stand alone pump.and it does no need the fittings to the bottle/pipes to be water proof to get going...and this makes it perfect for our use. all we need is to make it secure between pump and pipe/hose etc...)...to make it not so obvioue may be can paint it the came colour or black to macth the bike/frame..

i will modify it to fix with my 1" plastic hose..and see how it will look...

guys put on your thinking cap and lets brain storm to make it beter.

[mepkoh]

wa.. siew man...

 

this DIY alarm is the best..

 

one day we can try it too ;-)

 

http://singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5733935&posted=1#post5733935

 

yeah sound and look great..

so JTZX...maybe u lead the next DIY..?? i will be looking forward to it..

 

another great project....

[chuan.z]

wa.. siew man...

 

this DIY alarm is the best..

 

one day we can try it too ;-)

 

http://singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5733935&posted=1#post5733935

 

I wouldn't consider that a DIY alarm due to "Main Controller Unit - Steelmate Alarm System". From what I see, it's just DIY I/O hookup of the purchased alarm system. DIY fix, yes, DIY alarm, I'll have to disagree.

[mepkoh]

while posting another idea came..instaed of bottle ..we can try to get a pipe to fit the 30 mm dia pump ( i reliase that the shampoo bottle pump is a stand alone pump.and it does no need the fittings to the bottle/pipes to be water proof to get going...and this makes it perfect for our use. all we need is to make it secure between pump and pipe/hose etc...)...to make it not so obvioue may be can paint it the came colour or black to macth the bike/frame..

i will modify it to fix with my 1" plastic hose..and see how it will look...

guys put on your thinking cap and lets brain storm to make it beter.

 

would this be better?