Slanting Super 4

[MonoWorld]

Guys,

 

I have been facing with the dilemma of my slanting super 4 for more than 3 months. I felt all these after I have rebuild my rear shocks. But it could not be because I dropped my bike while i was doing a right turn after I came back from the shop that I rebuilt my rear shocks.

 

Since then, I have:

- Compress fork twice. (First at U***** M******** but forks still crooked, Second time was at Planet and fork is back to normal)

 

- Service my forks

 

- countless number of visits to Planet for fine tuning and advices from them.

 

but all of these have been done yet whenever I am riding, my bike is going slant to the right whenever it's on the move.

 

I suspected my brake calipers since the right discbrake is always hotter than the left discbrake so I have serviced the brake calipers yet the problem is still there.

 

Whenever I sit on my bike, I look down at my handlebar, the handlebar is slanted too. So I went to Planet and asked ah chong to fix the new handlebar and after it was fixed, the handlebar still looks slanting.

 

I have asked opinion from my pillion, my gf, and she said nowadays my bike is very unstable.

 

The feeling of the riding a bike which is slanting is totally very exhausting because I need to make adjustment to make it straight. I have asked a buddy to ride my bike and he has the opinion the handlebar is crooked.

 

Has anyone faced with this problem and managed to troubleshoot it? I have been taking bus to work because I have given up on riding my super 4 so before I push it back to the shop, I would like to try my luck of asking around.

 

Thanks in advance, guys.

[MonoWorld]

btw, i'm riding vtec 1 and the right turn drop is very very slow speed drop.

[ahJap]

hi monoworld, i am riding a spec1 too, starting when i got the bike i found that my handle is not balance too plus super rusty, so i went to change a new 1 but is still the same, when my bike is going straight my left side handle bar is nearer to me compare to the right side. Till now i still dont know what's the problem.

[MonoWorld]

ahJap, thx for sharing.

 

For me, it seems the right side of the handlebar is nearer to me and my left hand had to be stretched longer. when i look down to my tank, i see my bike is slanting to the right for few degrees.

 

is this slanting problem a common problem for super 4? or super 4 has a lot of problems? hmm this is my 2nd super 4 liao and there are a lot of problems.

[joajas]

So far you have been check your front side. Maybe you can check the rear also.

 

When rebuilding the shock, was nitrogen pump into both gas canister to the same PSI?? Was both shocks filled with the same amount of oil?

 

Also have you found out why you drop your bike during the right turn??

 

If the rebuilt of the rear shocks were not done properly, it could cause instability also.

 

Hope you get the problem solved soon.

 

[MonoWorld]

joajas, thx for the suggestions.

 

I did went back to the shop and I asked whether he had put the same amt of oil and nitrogen pressure, he said yes. Even if he didn't pump the right pressure and din put the same amt of oil, i wouldn't know also.

 

he did test ride my bike after 2 visits regarding the slanting complain, he said there is smth wrong with the front of my bike and offered to solve the matter at $150, which will do the compress the fork.

 

Hmm.. I'm really at lost and have no idea what is wrong with the bike. Even Ah Chong of Planet gave up liao.

[edition]

go chk ur rear shock knok setting (which looks like a stair pattern) . maybe 1 side is higher den the others .. look at the image i circle den u go look at ur rear shock .. and listen to joajas opionion as well

[joajas]

Is the front fork fixed back properly? Check at the top clamp (triple clamp) if the left fork is higher than the right fork.

 

Check your front and rear tire, is it perfectly vertical or slanting (even a tiny bit will cause problem). If fork is not fixed back properly, you might have one side a little bit higher than the other, causing the tire to slant to one side, making you feel like you are falling to one side.

 

[joajas]

go chk ur rear shock knok setting (which looks like a stair pattern) . maybe 1 side is higher den the others .. look at the image i circle den u go look at ur rear shock .. and listen to joajas opionion as well

 

Yes, must check that also. Bro Monoworld, also don't forget to check your front fork for the preload setting if yours is adjustable.

 

[s4vtec]

TS, i'm riding a Spec 1 too. find some time to meet up with me. let me solve ur problem.

[PaLmEr]

check the alignment of the two clamps for your handlebar. commonly overlooked area.

[Advrider]

btw, i'm riding vtec 1 and the right turn drop is very very slow speed drop.

 

Check your triple clamp alignment again. You wanna get the shop to release the 4 screws on the triple clamp and align the front fork before tightening the triple clamp.

[eement]

sometime is oso the balancing problem ba...

 

like time i oso feel tt

 

but when u ride long enough it ok already

[MonoWorld]

check the alignment of the two clamps for your handlebar. commonly overlooked area.

 

the two clamps that u mentioned above, is it the one that hold the handlebar? if so, how to realign the clamp? I nid to know how to tell Ah chong hehe...

[Ah Pek]

the two clamps that u mentioned above, is it the one that hold the handlebar? if so, how to realign the clamp? I nid to know how to tell Ah chong hehe...

 

It is good to let the ppl here know that you have changed a new cone bearing and a new handle bar to have the problem resolve but in vain.

 

Its msileading to say that after doing the back shock refurbishment, you can't remember wheather your bike is slanted after you rode it. Its after the fall that it all happened.

 

A job like changing the cone bearing invovles a lot of stuff work out from the front assembly..this included your clamps and all. I believe the mechanic that does your bike does not look into other possiblities or an oversight.

 

The other mistake I see you made here is the change of mototiam. You should let the same ppl diagnose it afterall they have already taken step.[ATTACH]67751[/ATTACH]

 

Anyway...like Advrider said..go have your triple clamps checked..hope its not number item 13 screwed. Plse see image attached. The shaded area are of concern.

[Ah Pek]

Sorry..double post ppl...result of server getting so ever busy now and then

[Advrider]

It is good to let the ppl here know that you have changed a new cone bearing and a new handle bar to have the problem resolve but in vain.

 

Its msileading to say that after doing the back shock refurbishment, you can't remember wheather your bike is slanted after you rode it. Its after the fall that it all happened.

 

A job like changing the cone bearing invovles a lot of stuff work out from the front assembly..this included your clamps and all. I believe the mechanic that does your bike does not look into other possiblities or an oversight.

 

The other mistake I see you made here is the change of mototiam. You should let the same ppl diagnose it afterall they have already taken step.[ATTACH]67751[/ATTACH]

 

Anyway...like Advrider said..go have your triple clamps checked..hope its not number item 13 screwed. Plse see image attached. The shaded area are of concern.

 

Ah that's it picture paints a thousand word. Cheers.

[MonoWorld]

Thanks ah pek. I changed motodiam it's because the place I went for the repair (Fork compression) refused to provide any assistance. Instead of making it straight, it was the same condition. They asked me to find other motodiam for advise after taking the payment. Hence, I looked for Planet for the assistance and indeed the made the fork straight. Unlike what the first shop told me they have done the compression and it was all in my head.

 

Btw, to find out the alignment whether it's already off, the front has to be dis-assembled?

[Ah Pek]

Thanks ah pek. I changed motodiam it's because the place I went for the repair (Fork compression) refused to provide any assistance. Instead of making it straight, it was the same condition. They asked me to find other motodiam for advise after taking the payment. Hence, I looked for Planet for the assistance and indeed the made the fork straight. Unlike what the first shop told me they have done the compression and it was all in my head.

 

Btw, to find out the alignment whether it's already off, the front has to be dis-assembled?

 

oic..them idiots..have to be got "Unik" mototiam iszit?..the last tim was MP3 having a new set of Sprocket ptoblem with them...damn! I hope they forgot about your $90 for the handle bar mannn!

 

Anyway..great..at least you are on the right track. I'm not a mechanic by rice both but just applying my "sense of common"..not sure how the latest mototiam ppl gonna do but yo..but here is my take b ase on what you said how you fell the bike.

 

1) If its the fork, likely its the "Stanchion" (upper part of the fork oso known as "fork tube"0 yes..it has to be isolated. They would have to put it upright on the ground and pressed by hand with force. Be easiler if they release some oil. Once they pumped (compressed) up and down a few times..the tell tale sign would be thin coating stain of oil on half of the side..meaning, the stanchion tube mabe be bend very slightly which can be judge by the naked eyes. The part that bend would be where the clamps hold the fork.

 

This has to be done for the two tubes I guess but its likely on the side taht the bike landed on the road.

 

2) If the above proved to be ok..than I shall suspect it likely the lower clamp...item 13 shown in previous post image. It s the connecting stem that joins the horizontal part of the clamp..may be slightly bend.

 

Like I mentioned earlier on..just some logical guesses..take it with a pinch of Wasabi! One thing though..don't tell your Ah Chong what o do..but rather observe what he do first. If what he is doing does make sense..than you can talk like you are standing for the next "Singapore election". Oso..take advantage of your previous visit to him as a "discount advantage" as the problem was not solved for $$$s paid.

 

Come to think of it all and some maths..may be $150 at TT is more worth it..I talking about "expertist" workk here that you pay for..instead of that $60 ark_gark_ark_gar take money attitude...somemore advertising themselves so aggressive. Careful ppl..you all heard of "Vapour Ware"..this one is "Vapour Mechanic Quality Ware". Not names calling but our honest earned $s are at stake.

 

Good luck my friend and hope Ah Chong get it right for you this time...errrr...if what you claimed is true (remember one of the guys tested your bike and said he did not feel anything?)..I'm going to make Wasabi drink now

[MonoWorld]

hehe, ah pek, it's not psychological problem. Ah Chong and another mechanic who tested ride my bike were aware of the slanting problems. They ran out of idea on how to fix the problems.

 

Ah Pek, I have gone back to Planet quite number of times since early June and they were really patience to troubleshoot the problems.

Some of them are

- Tried the chain alignment by setting it off abit. Outcome: not working

- Set the right "tube" up a bit. Outcome: not working

- Bend the handlebar to the left. Outcome: a bit better but the problem still there.

- etc, couldn't remember liao haha.. they tried quite a number of stuffs.

 

one thing I noticed today after a week w/o riding the bike, the right side seems to "sink" more. Could it be the fork "sinking"?

[Ah Pek]

hehe, ah pek, it's not psychological problem. Ah Chong and another mechanic who tested ride my bike were aware of the slanting problems. They ran out of idea on how to fix the problems.

 

Ah Pek, I have gone back to Planet quite number of times since early June and they were really patience to troubleshoot the problems.

Some of them are

- Tried the chain alignment by setting it off abit. Outcome: not working

- Set the right "tube" up a bit. Outcome: not working

- Bend the handlebar to the left. Outcome: a bit better but the problem still there.

- etc, couldn't remember liao haha.. they tried quite a number of stuffs.

 

one thing I noticed today after a week w/o riding the bike, the right side seems to "sink" more. Could it be the fork "sinking"?

 

If it did sink...definitely its the affected fork that has internal problem. You never mentioned wheather you ever did service the fork. The last time Wayne went to TT...straight away he recommended him to do it. Sure enough..the fork oil was reduce to slime and components were almost damaged by the metal filings casued from wear and tear due to the fork oil gone bad. Previous owner never change or service at all. I have observe TT did some repair work on the two shaded area I shaded in the image.

 

See if Ah Chong can handle it...otherwise..my advise is to go back to TT.[ATTACH]67848[/ATTACH]

 

This is an illustrated exploded view of a PB1 front supension assembly. All S4 should be the same except may be for the Spring length. Those with spring rebound adjustment..as I understand has shorter spring.

 

Do keep us posted on your progress so we all learned should one face similar problem someday.

[MonoWorld]

Ah Pek, I have serviced my fork abt 3-4 weeks back. There was no problem with the fork. The sinking fork is on-and-off type. Maybe the fork isn't sinking juz that it was slanted until it looks like it's sinking. lol i m not sure too..

[Ah Pek]

Ah Pek, I have serviced my fork abt 3-4 weeks back. There was no problem with the fork. The sinking fork is on-and-off type. Maybe the fork isn't sinking juz that it was slanted until it looks like it's sinking. lol i m not sure too..

 

Ah Pek, I have serviced my fork abt 3-4 weeks back. There was no problem with the fork. The sinking fork is on-and-off type. Maybe the fork isn't sinking juz that it was slanted until it looks like it's sinking. lol i m not sure too..

 

Hmmmm...now wondering to put in another 20cc of 10W fork oil helps on that fork?..no harm trying though rather that go on a wild goose chase and wasting so much time and $s. I tot mechanics are supposed to be good...LOL! If I'll you..likely I'll do that.

 

Anyway...don't be to Rojak about your problem...do one think at a time. You may want to discuss with Ah Chong what is said here and see what goes. I shall stop here now as I already run out of suggestion.

[MonoWorld]

Hmmmm...now wondering to put in another 20cc of 10W fork oil helps on that fork?..no harm trying though rather that go on a wild goose chase and wasting so much time and $s. I tot mechanics are supposed to be good...LOL! If I'll you..likely I'll do that.

 

Anyway...don't be to Rojak about your problem...do one think at a time. You may want to discuss with Ah Chong what is said here and see what goes. I shall stop here now as I already run out of suggestion.

would you take a test ride to see wad's the root of the problem?

[Advrider]

Ah Pek, I have serviced my fork abt 3-4 weeks back. There was no problem with the fork. The sinking fork is on-and-off type. Maybe the fork isn't sinking juz that it was slanted until it looks like it's sinking. lol i m not sure too..

 

Did you mech take out the triple clamp to check? The internals may have warped due to impact or drop on the right spot. Get you mech to check on the frame that holds down the triple clamp too.