SBF Silverwings / HOM Cafe 2012

[QuietStorm]

~ K&T (Clifford) ... transmission set, eo/filter, air filter, fork oil, etc

 

 

basically, we can go anywhere if its only for eo and oil filter (same as S4)

but for things like belt, rollers, etc. that're specific to scooters, better go somewhere where the mech is familiar with the SW

 

welcome to the group... tour with us this coming Fri?

 

can define wats included in transmission set? i feel my bike pick up not strong enough but over taking is a breeze... should i go down to K&T for tune my bike? how much is dat?

 

cheers!

[QuietStorm]

arhhh... ic ic... the very eye catching desert storm mp3 yeah

 

so did u sell it away or keeping it as well?

 

e MP3 belongs to my fren... i still stuck wif my Forza... hehe

[scoobydoo]

the CVT transmission assembly comprised of many parts. the set referred to is belt, rollers and sliders, commonly as a 3-in-1 package costing between $220~$280). see our technical thread at

Silverwing 400cc / 600cc Tech Corner (http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 2)

 

under stock settings, the SW will not take off like the manual-gear bikes (e.g. S4) nor the much lighter piags/yammies scoots coz its a very heavy beast... see dry weighs of the common/popular 2A scoots below

~ honda silverwing 400 228kg

~ piaggio MP3 204kg

~ piaggio X8 400 198kg

~ yamaha majesty YP400 197kg

~ piaggio X9 197kg

~ suzuki burgman AN400 179kg

~ honda CB400 S4 170kg

adding in the SW's 16L tank, the diff becomes even bigger

 

main purpose of synchronising the air-screws is for engine efficiency (smoother idle & probably better FC), and not to improve the pickup (or torque). some bikers purposely leave it staggered (slightly out) for a more torqey feel.

 

a common method of improving low-end (pickup) is to use lighter rollers, but at the expense of top-end performance. reason is because lighter rollers need higher rpms (to generate the required centrifugal force) to "roll" outwards thus maintaining the "lower gears" longer (something like dragging 1st/2nd gear) compare to heavier ones.

hypothetical illustration: SW A uses stock rollers, B uses lighter rollers.

at take off, B shoots way ahead (assume both throttles with similar aggressiveness). but on the highway, A gets 160kph at 8+k rpm but B gets only 140kph at same rpm. something like that lah

Edited April 28, 2009 by scoobydoo

[lycan]

hows the FC for silverwing like?

 

what to look out for when buying a Used SW?

 

Thanks

[QuietStorm]

the CVT transmission assembly comprised of many parts. the set referred to is belt, rollers and sliders, commonly as a 3-in-1 package costing between $220~$280). see our technical thread at

Silverwing 400cc / 600cc Tech Corner (http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 2)

 

under stock settings, the SW will not take off like the manual-gear bikes (e.g. S4) nor the much lighter piags/yammies scoots coz its a very heavy beast... see dry weighs of the common/popular 2A scoots below

~ honda silverwing 400 228kg

~ piaggio MP3 204kg

~ piaggio X8 400 198kg

~ yamaha majesty YP400 197kg

~ piaggio X9 197kg

~ suzuki burgman AN400 179kg

~ honda CB400 S4 170kg

adding in the SW's 16L tank, the diff becomes even bigger

 

main purpose of synchronising the air-screws is for engine efficiency (smoother idle & probably better FC), and not to improve the pickup (or torque). some bikers purposely leave it staggered (slightly out) for a more torqey feel.

 

a common method of improving low-end (pickup) is to use lighter rollers, but at the expense of top-end performance. reason is because lighter rollers need higher rpms (to generate the required centrifugal force) to "roll" outwards thus maintaining the "lower gears" longer (something like dragging 1st/2nd gear) compare to heavier ones.

hypothetical illustration: SW A uses stock rollers, B uses lighter rollers.

at take off, B shoots way ahead (assume both throttles with similar aggressiveness). but on the highway, A gets 160kph at 8+k rpm but B gets only 140kph at same rpm. something like that lah

 

mine had a strong 'engine braking effect'... guess its not tune to the best yet.. usually how much they charge for tuning? is there any local delicated SW forum?

[scoobydoo]

dear lycan

please do use the search function as these FAQs have been asked many many times. answers are also in the silverwing tech thread.

[Sensible]

mine had a strong 'engine braking effect'... guess its not tune to the best yet.. usually how much they charge for tuning? is there any local delicated SW forum?

 

Hi Bro,

There's no local dedicated forum. This is the most active thread on SW you can find in Singapore-context.

[scoobydoo]

mine had a strong 'engine braking effect'... guess its not tune to the best yet.. usually how much they charge for tuning? is there any local delicated SW forum?

K&T charge about 40 for the synch job but that's unlikely to change the strong "engine braking effect".

 

in fact, i also asked about this symtom when i first got my SW, switching from a manual geared to a CVT scooter. then i found out that we should be glad that its still there coz it weakens over time, as the contra springs weakens and then its due for change.

when? dunno but logically depends on how you loooot your bike

[scoobydoo]

Silverwing 1 May 2009 Outing

Date: 1 May 2009 (Fri, Labour Day - Public Holiday)

Meeting place: GP Petronas

Meeting time: 0745am

 

Suggestion 1: 1D Jackson Bay & Pengerang Seafood ... carried forward to next month

Suggestion 2: 1D Seremban & Port Dickson

1. scoobydoo

2. SW9000

3. helmetBOX!

4. paithorn(may drive with family cos my sparky is too slow to catch up)

5.

6.

7.

 

plan:

0745: meetup & gazz up

0800: set off from GP Esso/Petronas

0930: Stopover (Pagoh 140km)

1115: Seremban town (135km)

1130: lunch at Pasar Besar, walk around town

1300: depart for Port Dickson via SPDH (35km)

1330: eta Port Dickson

visitations... fort/museum lukut, cruise along coast, 10K dragon temple, blue lagoon, cape rachardo, free-n-easy

1630: depart for GP via SPDH/NS/E3

1800: stopover (Pagoh)

1930: eta GP, dinner at "Tian Lai"

(can consider leave bike at washing vendor while eating)

>2100: depart for Singkapor

 

come come... 来来来

[scoobydoo]

lets hope for good weather over seremban & port dickson this Fri

[SW9000]

hmm... stopover at malacca night market? hehehe.

Think scoobydoo been there too many times till sianz to rub rub body at the pasar malam.

 

Anyway, why always we 4 huh?

Where the rest of the SWingers?

 

Come Come!

Your SW must bring for long walk de.

It'll repay you with ultra smooth performance.

[lycan]

how much does it cost to change a belt?

 

it can last 24k km?

[scoobydoo]

hmm... stopover at malacca night market? hehehe.

Think scoobydoo been there too many times till sianz to rub rub body at the pasar malam.

why not? my last night trip there was >6 yrs ago. last few trips all day trips... noya food, ball ball chicken rice, laksa, ice chendo, beer, foot masage, etc. wah sei... drooling liow

[scoobydoo]

how much does it cost to change a belt?

 

it can last 24k km?

if ride normally, dun say 24k, 34k also can

 

cost of a stock belt if buy from supplier is between $120~$180, labour gotta pay separately but some motortiams won't entertain unluess you use their belt. total cost possibly between $150~$230

[HelmetBOX1605198525]

hmm... stopover at malacca night market? hehehe.

Think scoobydoo been there too many times till sianz to rub rub body at the pasar malam.

 

Anyway, why always we 4 huh?

Where the rest of the SWingers?

 

Come Come!

Your SW must bring for long walk de.

It'll repay you with ultra smooth performance.

 

onz~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[paithorn]

malacca nite market I also not been there for years liao...

[Edwin D]

I'll be there on Fri nite...I think.

[lycan]

sorry for asking so many questions :/

 

dont wanna buy a bike and regret it like class 2b.

 

 

anyway. i saw on the tech thread that jdm have a power valve at the exhaust. does it requires any form of servicing?

 

Does it make it more powerful than euro's?

 

thanks

[bigcow]

can define wats included in transmission set? i feel my bike pick up not strong enough but over taking is a breeze... should i go down to K&T for tune my bike? how much is dat?

 

cheers!

 

because you're running on a Dual Cylinder DOHC. Dual Cylinders are more meant for mid high range. even a burgman 400 Single Cylinder SOHC can pick up faster than u. but at abt 80km/hr, you'll overtake him.

[paithorn]

wrong posting.......................

[bigcow]

sorry for asking so many questions :/

 

dont wanna buy a bike and regret it like class 2b.

 

 

anyway. i saw on the tech thread that jdm have a power valve at the exhaust. does it requires any form of servicing?

 

Does it make it more powerful than euro's?

 

thanks

 

the EURO is confirm faster in terms of pick up & top speed.

the JDM is the older model. its slower than the EURO model.

[who_noe]

sorry for asking so many questions :/

 

dont wanna buy a bike and regret it like class 2b.

 

 

anyway. i saw on the tech thread that jdm have a power valve at the exhaust. does it requires any form of servicing?

 

Does it make it more powerful than euro's?

 

thanks

 

RS125 no good meh

[QuietStorm]

has anyone fix hazard light on ur bike? wat type of switch u use?

[SW9000]

why not? my last night trip there was >6 yrs ago. last few trips all day trips... noya food, ball ball chicken rice, laksa, ice chendo, beer, foot masage, etc. wah sei... drooling liow

 

haha. Trunk road slow ride from Port Dickson to Malacca?

Must check map... arboh later go Holland...

[Atlantic 200]

hmm... stopover at malacca night market? hehehe.

Think scoobydoo been there too many times till sianz to rub rub body at the pasar malam.

 

Anyway, why always we 4 huh?

Where the rest of the SWingers?

 

Come Come!

Your SW must bring for long walk de.

It'll repay you with ultra smooth performance.

 

See you guys at Malacca if you guys going there..... staying one night.