<Info> Silverwing 400cc / 600cc Tech Corner

[adr77]

I rode a YP400 b4. my conclusion for the comparison is:

 

SW better than YP for touring

YP cushion much thicker n more fuel efficient. but stability loose to SW due lighter in weight at >140km/h

YP better than SW for city riding

yup cos pick up faster but over 140km/h loose gas to SW..

 

YP 400 runs on miles on speedo.

Yup.

 

Engine is Single cylinder SOHC.

Yup.

 

parts availability is very little. most of it need to place order.

Not really lah. jus need to know where to get the parts.

 

not many in Singapore. not many people go for this bike.

Yup.tats y i got it. more unique.

 

thus resale is not good.

Cos its cheaper than SW. if by % in depreciation ard there la. I trade in back my bike for 7.5k when I bought it for 14k OTR aft 3 yrs. Its ard $2.167k depreciation per yr.

 

Silverwing engine is dual cylinder parallel. thus very good for touring.

Yup n if u like riding fast n furious >140km/h.

 

parts availability easy to get.

Yup cos more pop brand.

 

and cheaper than the YP400.

that depends.

 

resale is the best in the 400cc cat.

of course its a HONDA.

 

jus my 2cts of opinion.

[scoobydoo]

wah sei adr77, long time no see or hear you liow... ho sei bo? still riding the blue burger?

come join us for thurs kopi leh

[scoobydoo]

parts availability easy to get.

Yup cos more pop brand.

 

jus my 2cts of opinion.

SW some parts also darn expensive leh ... order also gotta wait for months

[Elton]

But i also assume SW parts is more durable? lol Less problems as compared to europe scooters.

[scoobydoo]

more durable or not guess can't say for sure... but the SW is for sure a very reliable bike as long as you take good care of it.

[Elton]

Safety feature is there for a reason. So if it's there, why disable it? lol

[LaZyChOo]

Yap. I agree. everything is there for a reason.

[joeling914]

hi joeling

 

i've updated the new links (4shared.com) and dropped the previous free file share site.

please check back to the same post

 

cheers

 

hi Scoo;

 

thanks for the linkage. the technical topic of "Capacitor Based Add-Ons & Multi-Point Grounding" is a fine piece of work. Keep it up Scoo.

cheers

joeling

[twistofthewrist]

Hi Guys,

 

Thank you all for the valuable and helpful advice, hopefully and I can get a SW soon (have to agree Hondas are still better and more reliable).

Would love to cruise to Phuket again (did that in a Super4 many years ago)!

[twistofthewrist]

Btw, if anyone knows of a nice and go condition SW for sale, please let me know!!

[SW9000]

A recap on SW suspension setting.

 

Older SW normally shipped with lighter fork oil, thus the bike feels floaty especially when cornering or high speed.

The new SW-T400 however comes with much thicker oil (almost a 20wt) such that the bike is very stable but definitely can feel more of the uneven road surface.

 

Fork Oil is measured in Cst (centistoke), normally rated at 40 degrees C. The higher the number, the thicker the oil.

Different brands have different rating of Cst even if both are labelled the same 10wt.

 

Example, Maxima 10wt has a Cst of 37.4 where as Mutol 10wt is 36 Cst@40.

Standard oil for SW is supposed to be Honda 10 or Showa SS-8, which is 37 Cst @40.

 

I'm using Maxima 10wt. I believe this is because Honda have reduced the compression damping in the new SW-T for a smoother ride but maintaining the rebound damping for stability.

I couldn't get the old SW to feel the same even when using the same oil.

 

Haven't tried the Motul Factory Line 10wt yet (Cst very close to recommended SW setting). Might do so later just to see if there's improvement to the already good Maxima 10wt.

Edited April 6, 2013 by SW9000

[scoobydoo]

lots of SW (FJS model) photos... showing many stripped parts

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/BikeView.aspx?BrandID=15&BikeID=381

 

hope that webby stays "alive" for as long as possible

 

some examples...

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/513/513SW TNG (4)513.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/513/513SW TNG (7)513.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/533/5331 (82)533.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/533/5331 (86)533.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/533/5331 (95)533.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/534/5341 (100)534.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/534/5341 (103)534.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/535/5351 (107)535.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/536/5361 (121)536.jpg&thumb=1

 

 

http://www.tngperformance.ro/Thumbnail.ashx?p=images/537/5371 (71)537.jpg&thumb=1

Edited November 6, 2012 by scoobydoo

[hsphalt]

siow liow... i'm putting hyperpro 20wt fork oil together with the hyperpro springs into my forks. think gonna feel like using indian god oil liow

 

Just to chk where u buy or fix this hyperpro springs?

[scoobydoo]

most of us got it thru motoworld; abt 280, pack comes with springs and oil, incl. labor to install (can also take it to your regular mech, no discount though. some pp find the hp 20wt fork oil too heavy, they use ownself bought lighter 15wt fork oil (e.g. silkolene, maxima, motul, etc.).

 

moto usually don't keep stock of hp springs for SW (unless someone cancelled order), thus usually gotta order and wait for abt 3 months before shipment arrives.

[Uncle]

hi guys, maybe we should respect the purpose of this thread and post non-tech content in the main thread http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/225675-SBF-Silverwings-Cafe-2009-2010-JDM-Euro-400-600

 

1) No talking c.o.c.k

2) Do not ask questions here, ask them in the main thread

[scoobydoo]

many of us get frustrated whenever our hands get dirtied when removing by the valve caps to pump tyres. a simple reaction would be to have them permanently removed for convenience but is that a good idea?

 

the valve caps main purpose is to keep dirt and debris out of the valve stem

 

the valve type used in virtually all automotive tyres is the Schrader valves (also called American valves). it consist of a valve stem into which a poppet valve is threaded with a spring attached.

 

A Schrader® valve consists of a hollow cylindrical metal tube, typically brass, with the exterior end threaded. The interior end form varied depending on the application of the valve. In the center of the exterior end is a metal pin pointing along the axis of the tube; the pin's end is approximately flush with the end of the valve body.

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/Schradervalve.jpg?t=1283852842

 

A poppet valve is a valve consisting of a hole, usually round or oval, and a tapered plug, usually a disk shape on the end of a shaft also called a valve stem. The shaft guides the plug portion by sliding through a valve guide. In most applications a pressure differential helps to seal the valve and in some applications also open it.

 

debris and dirt stuck in the gaps within in the stem may impede the free and proper positioning or sealing of the poppet valve (that little pin-like thingy we see inside the centre of valve stem is the "air plug"), causing an improper seal and resulting in air leaks.

 

imagine you have a small stone/debris stuck inside the valve stem. as the bike moves and wheels spin faster, centrifugal force created by the spinning would "push" the debris further into the valve stem, applying pressure on the plug of the poppet valve. once the plug is displaced from its closed position, the seal is "opened" and air escapes.

 

imagine you have dirt trapped between the surfaces of the poppet valve and the plug. this results in an improper seal and air escapes.

 

 

acknowledgement:

info obtained from webbies such as Wikipedia, Schrader International, etc.

Edited September 7, 2010 by scoobydoo

[Trublue]

Sorry,

I have moved my enquiry on to the right discussion track. My apologies.

Edited September 16, 2010 by Trublue
Posted enquiry on wrong discussion portal.

[scoobydoo]

After riding the Silver Wing scooter (FJS400 aka Euro model) for about 3 years, I finally decided to sit down and do a small write-up on this quality touring scooter which in my opinion is among the best (if not the best) of its class. This largely positive judgment is made not because of me being an owner but one that took into considerations the scooters’ comfortable riding posture & seat height, silky parallel twin engine performance, stability on touring/cruising, generous utility & storage capacity, ease of maintenance and not forgetting the scooter’s reliability.

 

http://www.rhuss.cncfamily.com/silverwing.jpgHonda Silver Wing Scooter

 

The Honda Silver Wing is a maxi-scooter designed and manufactured by Honda Motor Co. 本田技研工業株式会社 (http://www.honda.co.jp/).

List of Honda motorcycles/Scooters are available from link below:

http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/

 

Results of web search on “Honda Silver Wing” often include links to Honda Silver Wing GL500/GL650 Interstate. This is because Silver Wing was the name of an earlier motorcycle series including the GL500 and GL650. The Honda GL500 Silver Wing was a mid-sized touring bike launched in 1981 as a variant of the CX500 series. It was available both as a “naked bike”, as well as an Interstate model which included a large factory fairing and hard saddlebags and trunk. The GL500 was commonly referred to as a GL1100 Gold Wing look alike. In 1983 the Honda GL650 was introduced but was discontinued in 1984 despite sporting a more powerful engine than the GL500. Both models were discontinued in the 80s.

 

GL500/650... don't they looked like sisters of Gold Wing?

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SWGL500.jpg

 

Isn’t she a beauty too?

 

The discontinued “Silver Wing” name was resurrected in 2001 but in the form of a 600cc (582cc to be exact) scooter, a totally different category of two wheelers. Back then, it was one of the most powerful scooters in the market. Featuring a highly convenient CVT transmission, it was popular for both city commuting and longer distance touring, even till today.

 

History of Silver Wing scooters

 

The Silver Wing scooters (600cc) was first launched in September 2001 and was soon followed by the lower capacity model powered by a smaller 400cc engine. Introduction of the more economical model was probably a sensible decision in lieu of the economic crisis and oil price hike starting from early 2000s. Somehow, the Asian and some European markets were more receptive towards the 400cc Silver Wing in contrast with the US market where the 600cc model remained the only choice. Wonder if US riders need more power or petrol is cheaper in US.

From the mid-1980s to September 2003, the inflation-adjusted price of a barrel of crude oil on NYMEX was generally under $25/barrel. During 2003, the price rose above $30, reached $60 by August 11, 2005, and peaked at $147.30 in July 2008. Commentators attributed these price increases to many factors, including reports from the United States Department of Energy and others showing a decline in petroleum reserves, worries over peak oil, Middle East tension, and oil price speculation.

 

Silver Wing FJS/FSC/JDM

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/c862dd658626745456a301227b189f93.jpg

 

Single-unit (2-in-1) headlight

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/b32ee517e4aea683ecaf892f38bd873d.jpg

 

Rear lights assembly

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/b32a72f00a14c2f3a01193e920e02708.jpg

 

Meters

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/d58ee6069cfe33295718c32aa7cc12d8.jpg

 

Exhaust

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/d7b845942fb4d059f4439481f74924c2.jpg

 

Under-seat storage... can fit full face helmets & even a few tennis rackets

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/50466b5ff1783ea3c86d8abd65184b0e.jpg

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=146455&d=1266850351

 

Right glove compartment (left is deeper and has a 12V "cigarette" socket)

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/2525f97f9b4147cafecee84a8b031a78.jpg

 

Leg recess at both sides below rider seat for more natural sitting posture...

IMO, this is by far one of the most considerate design features that Honda has incorporated to its Silver Wing scooters. As maxi-scoots tends to be larger in dimensions (also broader), most will require their riders to sit with legs open, reducing reach to the ground. While this may be no issue for the taller westerners, shorter Asians (especially those with shorter legs like me) will find riding under such posture rather uncomfortable. The recesses allow riders to reduce the amount of "leg opening", thus allowing more comfortable reach for the ground and more importantly, firm contact.

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58212&d=1207731561

 

The new Silver Wing era... SW-T & GT

The design of Silver Wing scooters sold around the world remained mostly unchanged except for some paintwork differences till 2009. On 9 March 2009, Honda announced the radically face-lifted SW-T and GT series, available for sale from 19 March 2009 onwards. Most notable differences are the twin headlights, rear brake lights and new meter design (with fuel consumption gauge).

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2009/2090309-silverwing.html

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SWTGTannounce.jpg?t=1285039588

translation...

Honda 400cc "Silver Wing 400" large scooter has been redesigned with a new body to enhance its performance at high speeds. Named “Silver Wing GT ", it is able to achieve high environmental performance while delivering a powerful riding performance. To be released for sale on March, 19 (Thursday).

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SWChassis.jpg

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SWEngineblock.jpg?t=1294728076

 

From the above pics, we can see that almost everything inside the "clothes" basically remain the same...

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SWT-FJSFrontview.jpg?t=1294728111

 

Silver Wing SW-T/GT

Twin headlights & relocated front signal indicators

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SWTGTfront.jpg?t=1285039509

 

New rear lights assembly

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000011101/img/640/cefb500a9f3d05511296a719cffb21cf.jpg

 

New design for meters

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/honda-silver-wing-sw-t-400/honda_Silver_Wing_SWT_400_11.jpg

 

Under-seat storage (same)

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/equip/space/image/pic01.jpg

 

New design for glove compartments... much smaller in storage capacity but coolant reservoir becomes easy

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/equip/space/image/pic02.jpg

 

 

Part 2 coming...

Edited January 9, 2012 by scoobydoo

[scoobydoo]

Variants of Silver Wing scooters

 

Over the years from 2001 till today, different variants of the Silver Wing were launched in US, Europe and Asia, featuring ABS and non-ABS models. Silver Wing scooters sold in Singapore are mainly non-ABS ones; ABS is an optional "ala carte" costing $1k+.

 

update (Aug 2014):

i just heard that BS did not change the registered model name of Silver Wing FJS400D at LTA even though they are selling the SW-T400.

i.e. physical machine is SW-T400 model but LTA registration will still shows FJS400D model.

although the engine and chassis are primarily the same, tupperwares of the 2 models are significantly different. dunno what the insurers will think of this

 

 

Silver Wing has ABS?

Silver Wing scooters with ABS could be differentiated by the following differences:

• There is a teeth pit at the inner "ring" of front brake disc (see pic)

• Additional ABS assembly located above the teeth pit and in front the normal front brake caliper assembly

• Front & rear brake assemblies are painted in gold color.

 

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/equip/brake/image/pic01.jpg

 

Front brake assembly of non-ABS model

http://media.motorbox.com/data/contenuti/0000007561/img/640/6b27cbe5d253f75de939daf7df8e51ae.jpg

 

 

Variants in Singapore

 

Generally, there are 4 variants of Silver Wing 400cc and 2 variants of Silver Wing 600cc scooters that plies the roads of Singapore.

 

Silver Wing Scooter 400cc

• FJS400 aka Euro model

• JDM400 aka Japan model

• FJS400 aka Euro (matt paintwork series)

• SW-T400 aka Euro 2009 model

• GT400

 

Silver Wing "Original Generation"

 

http://www.honda-motorcycles.org/images/2006SilverWing.jpg

 

Silver Wing GT

GT basically means "Luxury with superior performance in touring”.

Gran Turismo is the Italian worlds for "Grand Tourer" or "Grand Touring", often abbreviated to GT.

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/price/image/thumb07.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/photo/01/image/photo.jpg

 

Silver Wing SW-T400

http://www.hondamc.com/upload/Press/2009/SW-T400.pdf

This is the model distributed by Boon Siew Singapore.

 

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/honda-silver-wing-sw-t-400/big_honda_Silver_Wing_SWT_400_17.jpg

 

Notes:

• Engines of all models are identical although it is said that the JDM's CVT "ratios" and rollers (lighter) are slightly different. Once you change the rollers, belt and variator plates during maintenance, those parts become the same. Nevertheless, the fuel consumption of the JDM models remain higher than the FJS models, probably due to the ECU and injector configurations.

• The JDM's ignition assembly is different from FJS’s

 

http://www.onroadzone.com/honda/silverwing600/silverwing600_mainkey.jpg

 

• JDM has a "T-Mode” switch (similar to car’s overdrive function) located on left throttle control assemble but the FJS don't. The T-Mode enables the rider to override the normal ECU setting to one that is programmed to deliver more power at low speed levels, at the cost of burning more fuel. This function is useful for riding up slopes or when overtaking other road users.

 

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/equip/tmode/image/pic01.jpg

 

• FJS Euro models before 2009 and new 2009 models are the same except that the later has some parts of its bodyworks in matt black instead of glossy.

• Although the Euro SW-T and Japanese GT models were launched in late 2009, they made the shores of Singapore only in 20102Q. Bearing the same chassis and engines as the earlier FJS/JDM models, they are basically the same scooter with a new face-lift, probably to revitalise the Silver Wing’s position in the larger cc maxi-scooter market.

• The insignias of the Euro SW-T and Japanese GT models are different... the Euro bears "SW-T400" while the Japanese bears "Silver Wing GT"

 

Since we introduced the SW-T400 and GT, lets looks at the main differences between them:

 

• Chassis and engines of both models are reportedly identical.

• EFI mapping for SWT and GT are reportedly different to optimize performance of the machines respectively; GT has the booster T-mode function (similar to car’s overdrive function) located on left throttle control assemble, SWT don't.

• Although it is said that the GT's rollers are slightly lighter, they "become" the same once we change them during maintenance.

• The insignia of the Euro SW-T bears "SW-T400" while the Japanese GT model bears "Silver Wing GT".

• Front signal lights of SWT have clear covers and use amber bulbs; GT uses amber colored covers, probably using the normal incandescence bulbs.

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Misc/SWTvsGT.jpg

 

Silver Wing Scooter 600cc

• JDM 600 aka Japan model

• GT 600 aka Japan model

 

Notes:

• Both 600cc Silver Wing scooters are Japanese variants and are brought into Singapore via Parallel Import arrangements, i.e. they are not distributed from Boon Siew Singapore.

• Although there is also the FSC 600 aka US model, we don't think there is any running on Singapore’s roads.

 

A way to differentiate the GT 400 and 600 is by the colour of the original sides model words/label - Silver Wing GT

Gold is 600

Silver is 400.

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Distributor, Authorised Dealers & Parallel Importers in Singapore

 

The authorised distributor for Honda Silver Wing (along with other Honda bikes) in Singapore is Boon Siew Singapore Pte Ltd which has its origins in Penang.

http://www.boonsiewhonda.com.sg/boonsiew/home.asp

Founded by its late Chairman, Tan Sri Loh Boon Siew, the company’s association with Honda motorcycles can be traced all the way back to 1957 when he spotted a Honda motorcycle whilst on holiday in Osaka, Japan. Tan Sri was so impressed with the engineering quality that he went directly to the Honda factory to ask for the dealership in Malaya. With this bold move, Tan Sri Loh Boon Siew became the first Honda distributor in south east Asia.

 

Other than Boon Siew Singapore, some motorcycle shops also brought the Silver Wing to Singapore via parallel import arrangements. Some of such shops include Mah Pte Ltd and Looi’s Motor which are also authorised dealers of Boon Siew Singapore.

http://www.boonsiewhonda.com.sg/boonsiew/dealers.asp?section=motorcycle

 

Bikes brought in under Parallel Import arrangements were mainly of a different variant from those distributed by Boon Siew Singapore. Thus far, the variants distributed by Boon Siew Singapore are mainly Euro models while brought into Singapore under Parallel Import are Japanese variants like the JDM 400, GT 400, JDM 600, GT 600, etc.

 

Common Complaints

 

• Default/Stock front suspensions (fork springs) are too soft. This impaired the handling capability of the scooter and usually results in uneasiness while taking corners. Fortunately, this smallish shortfall could be rectified by changing to HyperPro performance fork springs (highly recommended), using heavier fork oil, pre-loading the fork spring, etc.

http://www.hyperprousa.com/catalog.php?cat=Springs&make=Honda&model=HONDA+FJBS+600+SILVERWING+01>&model_name=HONDA+FJBS+600+SILVERWING+01>&ordertype=

• Some riders also found the default/stock rear dual hydraulic shocks are too soft even with the five-position spring-preload adjusted to maximum level. Fortunately, aftermarkets replacements are available through Hagon Twin Shocks (Application M).

http://www.hagon-shocks.co.uk/HagShocks.htm

• The front hydraulic fork assembly (level at the fork seal) flushes exactly with the front wheel fender, there is no space to install a fork brace for better stability/handling.

• Side mirrors of the Silver Wing are mounted on the scooter’s handlebar, made of plastic and too light in weight. As such, they vibrate when the scooter goes over uneven floor impairing rear vision. Most riders replace the stock bar-end balancers with bigger heavier ones to dampen the vibrations on the handlebar, reducing vibrations on the side mirrors as well.

• The scooter’s “wet” weight at about ¼ ton is sometimes too heavy for comfort to many smaller built riders, especially those who are used to very much lighter bikes. There were cases where owners drop their bikes within hours or days of putting their brand new Silver Wing on the road. Handling the big heavy scooter needs lots of tack and getting used to.

• The Silver Wing’s wheelbase and body are among the longest which makes it less zippy in heavy traffic and less nimbly when parking the bike in constricted lots.

• The Silver Wing "pigeon" syndrome; chirping like sound coming from rear transmission area when moving off, due to vibrations at the clutch/bell. No biggie (not a defect), some cleaning or servicing will do (unless if parts are worn); most common cause is dirt or oil at bell.

sound could be a combination of few factors:

* sound could be from belt slippage and/or clutch slippage (if "pigeon" sound)

* belt slippage could be due to worn belt and/or work variator plates and/or lotsa dirt/dust

* clutch slippage could be due to worn clutch pads and/or worn bell and/or lotsa dirt/dust

You could be having the infamous pigeon sounds. Read this http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/325894-lt-Info-gt-Silverwing-400cc-600cc-Tech-Corner?p=6112944&viewfull=1#post6112944

 

Solution could be the new clutch bell 22100-MFT-640 @ $108

http://www.honda.co.jp/SILVERWING/size/image/pic01.gif

 

 

Common Add-Ons or Enhancements

Please refer to earlier posts for more details

 

• Capacitor based electrical enhancers, e.g. Power Abuser II/Auto, RevTec Impedance Stabilisers, Pivot Raizin Voltage Stabilisers, etc.

• Additional Grounding: multi-point grounding kits are sold at many auto/motor shops (e.g. Autobacs), may also DIY from high quality wires bought from Sim Lim Tower.

• Louder Horn, e.g Stebel Magnum 2 kit, Hella TwinTone kit, Hella SuperTone kit, etc.

• Iridium spark plugs, e.g. Denso IUH24 or IUH24D, NGK CR8EHIX-9, etc.

• K&N Air Filter

• Hazard lights/blinkers

• 12V socket inside under seat storage compartment; SW-T and GT models does not come with a 12V socket in the left glove compartment.

• Top box to add additional storage space, e.g Givi Simply E45, Maxia E52, Maxia 3 E55, Coocase S48, etc.

 

 

 

 

Note: more info shall be added as necessary

 

 

Review? Maybe soon... akan datang

Edited July 11, 2016 by scoobydoo

[Elton]

Matching box with backrest and 12 lit storage

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/backrest/image/photo1-1.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/backrest/image/photo1-2.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/backrest/image/photo1-3.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/backrest/image/photo2-1.jpg

 

Nice

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/shandlepipe/image/photo1-3.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/shandlepipe/image/photo1-2.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/gathersm/image/photo-shcc3.jpg

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/motorcycles/SILVER_WING_GT/gathersm/image/photo-shcc1.jpg

[zafriedano]

anyone wanna sell silver wing? call me at 93227714

[gee]

hi guys, just wanna ask where to purchase d hagon rear springs and price???? though of getting 1 set if e $$ is right...

[merz65]

any info on changing our own brake pads?? n places to buy e pads? LAB always???

[scoobydoo]

What is the "3-in1"?

The "3-in-1" of a Silver Wing's maintenance program basically refers to the belt, rollers (1 set of 8) and sliders (1 set of 4, commonly referred to as u-clips or u-shoes). The are part of the bike's transmission assembly.

 

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SW4_3-in-1.jpg?t=1286080641

 

Belt: other than breakage risks, one of the most common worn belt related issues is belt slippages. worn belts (due to material strength deterioration, smaller in width due to wear-n-tear, etc.) loses their grip on the variator plate faces causing slippages as the variators turn.

 

Rollers: the protective/friction modifying coating on the aluminium rollers wears off over time as the rollers are "squeezed" up and down the variator ramps, forcing the variators to move inwards/outwards to change "gear ratio". usually, the wearing does not occur evenly over the round surface of each roller; some particular sections of the rubbed surfaces get more worn than others and it is common to see "flattened" portions on a badly worn roller. badly worn surfaces of rollers impede the rollers' free movement up/down the ramps, hindering the smooth changing of gear ratios as engine rpm changes.

 

Sliders: sliders act as guides and friction limiters when the outer variator plate moves inwards/outwards, responding to the rollers actions. worn sliders could impede the smooth changing of gear ratios as engine rpm changes.

 

"3-in-1" maintenance

A comprehensive maintenance on the Silver Wing's transmission assembly commonly involves cleaning and replacement of the "3-in-1", e.g.:

 

Front

* dismantle the front variator assembly

* check/clean the variator plates' faces

* clean the assembly body from dirt/stains

* clean and re-grease the front variator's roller ramps

* clean & re-grease the shaft

* replace the 3-in-1; i.e. belt, rollers, sliders (often called u-clips or u-shoes); make sure new rollers are greased lightly before insertion and in the correct direction.

 

Rear

* dismantle the rear variator & clutch assembly

* clean the variator plates' faces

* clean the assembly body from dirt/stains

* clean the surfaces of clutch bell (check for deep scratches)

* clean the clutch pads (usually sanding is required to remove debris or dirt)

* clean and re-grease the clutch pegs' pivot points so that pegs can swing freely

* clean the clutch springs

 

General

* wash n dry the assembly compartment

 

Imitation Belts?

There're some rumors about "imitation" belts being sold to unsuspecting owners as "real" ones who do their "3-in-1" maintenance on their SW's transmission assembly; e.g. I usually change my "3-in-1" around 20k kms. Unfortunate for most of us, we can't exactly spot the difference at one eye (not as there're obvious differences like different color, design, shape, etc.).

Please don't ask me who cos I don't know, and do not wish to be sued over creating awareness by sharing a rumor

Fact or rumor? It doesn't hurt to be careful, does it?

 

Some ways to minimise the risk of being shortchanged include:

* go to the local Honda distributor (Boon Siew) ... gotta pay more

* go to the local Honda authorised resellers who also runs a workshop

* buy your own parts from authentic Honda parts dealers and pay mechanic for his labor or DIY

* check the part nos. of the items you are changing

* etc etc

 

Spotting the difference...

It was suggested that the difference between the authentic and imitation belt lies in the "bar codes" on the stickers. This info is not validated yet since I haven't seen the imitation product myself.

The real/imitation stickers looked exactly similar (including the printed nos.) except that the imitation's bar code has mostly thicker lines instead of many finer ones as shown in the pics below.

Hmmm... wonder why the imitators can't "clone" the stickers to exactly the same as the real ones... it isn't difficult with todays technology

 

I haven't really paid attention to the Honda stickers on the packaging in the past but will certainly take a 2nd look in future

 

Part nos. of Honda original transmission belt for Silver Wing

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SW_belt.jpg?t=1286080641

http://www.silverwing.org/mwf/attach/59/559/swbeltrm3.jpg

 

Part nos. of Honda original rollers for Silver Wing

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SW_rollers.jpg

 

Part nos. of Honda original U-Clips (also known as U-Shoes)

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv287/josephsbs/Silverwing/SW_U-Clips.jpg?t=1286080641

 

 

How to Scan the Barcodes?

 

Gone are the days where only dedicated barcode scanners can do the job. With advancement in both mobile and barcode reader technology, modern camera phones are now ready to do the unthinkable. Mobile phones can now be enabled to read a variety of mobile barcodes. These include QR codes, Data Matrix, Cool-Data-Matrix, Aztec, Upcode, Trillcode, Quickmark, shotcode, mCode and Beetagg.

 

Camera Phones Help Buyers Beware

 

http://mobilecodes.nokia.com/scan.htm

If you have a Nokia N82, N93, N93i, N95, N95 8GB, E66, E71, E90 or 6220 Classic (APAC variants) you will find the Nokia Barcode Reader pre-installed on your device, ready to scan mobile codes around you. For Nokia N78, 6210 Navigator, N96 and 6220 Classic (non-APAC variants) you can download the application via the following link: Nokia Barcode Reader. Download to a computer and transfer it to your mobile device.

Edited October 6, 2010 by scoobydoo

[scoobydoo]

for those who doesn't have a copy of the Honda Silver Wing Owner's Manual, these may be good references...

 

FJS400/SWT400

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3kN9jAjOzG1ZDliOWFkMDMtYzUxMS00ZmY4LTk3ZjctY2FhNjBlNGY5NWU3

http://www.hondampe.com.au/docs/owning_a_honda/owners_manuals/motorcycles/fjs400d-a-2008.pdf

 

SWT400

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3kN9jAjOzG1NmVmOTQ3ZTEtZTZlNS00ZjhkLWE0YzktNjZhMmI4MzJhMGI4

 

GT400 (in Japanese)

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3kN9jAjOzG1NTBlN2JjM2ItM2Q1MS00NzE3LThiYjMtMWNjZWI2YTZjYTJj

 

FSC600D

~ most of the contents are also applicable to FJS400

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B3kN9jAjOzG1ZDliOWFkMDMtYzUxMS00ZmY4LTk3ZjctY2FhNjBlNGY5NWU3&hl=en_US&authkey=CJbWx9IC

 

FSC600/A (2010)

~ most of the contents are also applicable to FJS400

http://owners.honda.com/assets/OWNERLINK/Model/own_man/powersports/scooter/2010/10_FSC600_A.PDF

 

 

 

Edited March 6, 2015 by scoobydoo