parking offence

[azzurifizzy]

Yishun is in front of north point mall rite? Whenever I went ther I used to see bikes parked there even though there is a sign of no bike parking. Then I go and park in the hdb cp near by without coupon, because worst case is still 8$ fine only

 

Damn it. If it really was that open area in front of north point, then after all these 6 years of riding and parking there, today will be the first time I'm going to get fined. Parking ticket from CISCO states: '2020 - PARKING ON THE GRASS VERGE'. FML. Escaped once through appeal. Any chance of getting away again?

 

Is the HDB carpark you referring to, the one opposite where you have to cross the road? Confirm $8 fine without coupon?

[Metaphor]

hi. may i know how much is the fine for parking on double yellow line and parking on pavement?

 

got the tickets but there is no indication of fine amount. did a quick search at ura/hdb/one montoring website but can't find anything. thanks.

 

Double yellow line is $100.

[Metaphor]

hi. may i know how much is the fine for parking on double yellow line and parking on pavement?

 

got the tickets but there is no indication of fine amount. did a quick search at ura/hdb/one montoring website but can't find anything. thanks.

 

Double yellow line is $100.

[three]

Double yellow line is $100.

From what I know, its $70.

[RaidoN]

From what I know, its $70.

 

Some offence line are $70 for LV $100 for HV.

Some are $120 + 3 points.

ETC : Single/double yellow Zig Zag, zebra crossing area, parking abreast.

[revhappy]

Damn it. If it really was that open area in front of north point, then after all these 6 years of riding and parking there, today will be the first time I'm going to get fined. Parking ticket from CISCO states: '2020 - PARKING ON THE GRASS VERGE'. FML. Escaped once through appeal. Any chance of getting away again?

 

Is the HDB carpark you referring to, the one opposite where you have to cross the road? Confirm $8 fine without coupon?

 

Yes its opposite, need to cross road. Yes confirm 8$ if it is white parking slot. If it is red parking slot means its for season parking 25$ fine if you park there.

[feriosi]

Yes its opposite, need to cross road. Yes confirm 8$ if it is white parking slot. If it is red parking slot means its for season parking 25$ fine if you park there.

 

Red and white painted lots are for reserved for season parking holders only. I got fined $25 on 12/4/12, was waived after I appealed.

[yeokh]

Why is it wrong to park on a pavement, especially when it is broad enough not to cause an obstruction? Does that mean that cyclists cannot park their bicycles there too? Is there a specific traffic rule being broken? Does anyone know?

[wait4me]

Why is it wrong to park on a pavement, especially when it is broad enough not to cause an obstruction? Does that mean that cyclists cannot park their bicycles there too? Is there a specific traffic rule being broken? Does anyone know?

u really make me laugh with your questions

 

you sure u have a bike licence ??

[ki113r]

u really make me laugh with your questions

 

you sure u have a bike licence ??

 

Same sentiments here

[yeokh]

Ok... my questions may appear to be stupid, but I see bikes parked on pavements everyday and almost everywhere I go. I park on pavements often too but was recently warned by an LTA officer that it is illegal. So I read the Road Traffic Act, and there seems to be no mention that parking on pavements is illegal. But the Road Traffic Act is a very long document, so I may have missed some things there. Would appreciate if anyone can cite me the specific provision that states that pavement parking is illegal.

[yeokh]

In the Road Traffic Act, there is Section 122: Leaving vehicles in positions likely to cause danger, obstruction or undue inconvenience.

 

The section reads:

Except as otherwise provided in section 84(4), if any person in charge of a vehicle causes or permits the vehicle or any trailer drawn thereby to remain at rest on any road in such a position or in such condition or in such circumstances as to be likely to cause danger, obstruction or undue inconvenience to other users of the road or to traffic, he shall be guilty of an offence.

 

But pavements are NOT roads.

 

Comments?

[danielling1981]

In the Road Traffic Act, there is Section 122: Leaving vehicles in positions likely to cause danger, obstruction or undue inconvenience.

 

The section reads:

Except as otherwise provided in section 84(4), if any person in charge of a vehicle causes or permits the vehicle or any trailer drawn thereby to remain at rest on any road in such a position or in such condition or in such circumstances as to be likely to cause danger, obstruction or undue inconvenience to other users of the road or to traffic, he shall be guilty of an offence.

 

But pavements are NOT roads.

 

Comments?

 

(undue inconvenience to other users of the road or to traffic, he shall be guilty of an offence.)

 

Can vaguely classify "human traffic" as "traffic"?

[danielling1981]

There are parking lots for bikes in the Causeway Point carpark, so why park at the pavement? Sometime we need to pay for our laziness & for being inconsiderate.

 

Mostly for convenience. Sadly some riders dun bother to be considerate and block other riders. Then problems will start lo. If only our society can grow to be more gracious.

 

u really make me laugh with your questions

 

you sure u have a bike licence ??

 

Actually his question is valid. I do feel tat if there is space, y not allow parking. But sadly sg pple majority too busy/stress to spare a thought for others. If i ever need to park on pavement, i will make sure if got walker, they won't ve to put in too much effort to siam my bike. I will after parking, simulate walking myself to ensure. We riders can forgive riders but pure walkers or drivers less forgiving.

 

Sadly law is law. As to where is the section of the law, i'm unable to advise. Maybe can email tp? Btw, i think parking on pavement is a offence not under road traffic law. Depending on where, it may be under hdb, national parks or others.

 

PS: also depends on where the pavement is... really hard to determine for the public. But it is illegal no need say.

[736cc]

pavement is yishun. double yellow line is chinatown:P

 

causeway point is a very dangerous. i got a friend who got summon 3 times in a row and he finally give up parking at the pavement there. haha...

 

your friends never learn after the 1st fine. lol

[736cc]

In the Road Traffic Act, there is Section 122: Leaving vehicles in positions likely to cause danger, obstruction or undue inconvenience.

 

The section reads:

Except as otherwise provided in section 84(4), if any person in charge of a vehicle causes or permits the vehicle or any trailer drawn thereby to remain at rest on any road in such a position or in such condition or in such circumstances as to be likely to cause danger, obstruction or undue inconvenience to other users of the road or to traffic, he shall be guilty of an offence.

 

But pavements are NOT roads.

 

Comments?

 

bro, have to get used to it. everything here is about money..

[RaidoN]

Do you all know that parking at the Double yellow line/Pavement in carpark is different from the road outside? Haha

[yeokh]

(undue inconvenience to other users of the road or to traffic, he shall be guilty of an offence.)

 

Can vaguely classify "human traffic" as "traffic"?

 

This is admittedly a possible interpretation, but it is not a likely one.

 

A very careful reading of Section 122 will reveal that for such an offence to be committed, the vehicle must FIRST be parked ("remain at rest") on a ROAD. Thus, if a vehicle is parked along a road in such a way as to inconvenience other users or traffic, then an offence will be deemed to be committed. Again, a pavement is not a road.

[yeokh]

Pl ignore. Double post.

Edited May 31, 2012 by yeokh

[yeokh]

... Btw, i think parking on pavement is a offence not under road traffic law. Depending on where, it may be under hdb, national parks or others.

 

PS: also depends on where the pavement is... really hard to determine for the public. But it is illegal no need say.

 

Good point which needs more research about the powers of the HDB or URA or LTA.... But does this imply that it is ok to park on pavements situated in non-HDB areas? (I was verbally warned by an LTA officer in a HDB heartland area and presumably, he is doing so on behalf of the LTA and not HDB.)

 

Would be helpful for those bros who have been fined before to look at their parking tickets to see what offence has actually been committed. But I guess most would have thrown away their summons after making payment. Is there anyone here who has been recently fined and has not made payment yet?

[danielling1981]

This is admittedly a possible interpretation, but it is not a likely one.

 

A very careful reading of Section 122 will reveal that for such an offence to be committed, the vehicle must FIRST be parked ("remain at rest") on a ROAD. Thus, if a vehicle is parked along a road in such a way as to inconvenience other users or traffic, then an offence will be deemed to be committed. Again, a pavement is not a road.

 

I guess the below ba... Although summon on pavement is by TP becoz the offender is a motorist. "Traffic Police" is the "police" for traffic or traffic related issues. Although the motorbike is not on the road, but maybe can interpret tat the motorbike is a automobile?

 

I noe it is vague and though i agree with u tat the law is not specific in this, but if really dig sure can find a specific law statement or a vague statement tat can be used against u.

 

Sadly law is law. As to where is the section of the law, i'm unable to advise. Maybe can email tp? Btw, i think parking on pavement is a offence not under road traffic law. Depending on where, it may be under hdb, national parks or others.

 

PS: also depends on where the pavement is... really hard to determine for the public. But it is illegal no need say.

[RaidoN]

Good point which needs more research about the powers of the HDB or URA or LTA.... But does this imply that it is ok to park on pavements situated in non-HDB areas? (I was verbally warned by an LTA officer in a HDB heartland area and presumably, he is doing so on behalf of the LTA and not HDB.)

 

Would be helpful for those bros who have been fined before to look at their parking tickets to see what offence has actually been committed. But I guess most would have thrown away their summons after making payment. Is there anyone here who has been recently fined and has not made payment yet?

 

There's no OK to park in pavement lol. Park in pavement of HDB area fine $20?(Rule 3: Parking Outside parking lot) Road is $70.

[danielling1981]

Good point which needs more research about the powers of the HDB or URA or LTA.... But does this imply that it is ok to park on pavements situated in non-HDB areas? (I was verbally warned by an LTA officer in a HDB heartland area and presumably, he is doing so on behalf of the LTA and not HDB.)

 

Would be helpful for those bros who have been fined before to look at their parking tickets to see what offence has actually been committed. But I guess most would have thrown away their summons after making payment. Is there anyone here who has been recently fined and has not made payment yet?

 

Actually the logic is quite simple. Some riders dun see it simply becoz bikes small, 2 wheel can go anywhere. Instead let's use the word "automobile".

 

Roads r for automobile, can non automobile be on road? The answer is no for sg. By right, Human walking, bicycle cannot be on the road with the exception of some areas can cycle and there are pedestrian crossings.

 

By right, if u cross road, walking, it is considered jaywalk. (Correct me if i am wrong, but i am referring to the fine points of legality) Then again, most of the time, authorities do not bother with jaywalk except for certain areas. I ve heard or read news before of jaywalkers kanna fine?

 

So like wise the reverse is also true. Automobile should not be on the pavement. Thus motorbike going on pavement is against the law. ^^ Just becoz we can doesnt mean it is allowed.

 

Assuming we ve a super small car tat is thin like a motorbike and the car fairing is those high type such tat the kerbs won't buang ur bumper. Would u drive ur car up the pavement? =D Logical?

 

Sadly motorbikes do not belong on any pavements anywhere and yes it is against the law. Which line, i do not noe. Even more sad is some riders will think they ve a right to be there and be like pavement bullies. Either by disturbing walkers in any way or leave their bikes which block other users including other parking bikes. =(

 

PS: I do think tat many many issues in sg is due to immature and ungracious society behavior. This is just 1 form.

[danielling1981]

There's no OK to park in pavement lol. Park in pavement of HDB area fine $20?(Rule 3: Parking Outside parking lot) Road is $70.

 

I think parking outside parking lot is more than $20. Not sure though. Becoz is considered obstruction to traffic. Parking in red lot without season parking is $30? So outside lot should be more than tat?

[yeokh]

Daniel.... it is simply not true that crossing any road constitutes jaywalking. If I am not wrong, crossing any road when one is within X (could be 50m but I can't remember exactly how many) metres of a traffic crossing constitutes jaywalking. Outside that X m mark, one is free to cross from one side of the road to the other. Your "by right" seems to be more personal opinion rather than fact.

 

Another point -- in private housing estates, one can also find bikes parked along pavements. My bike is parked along the pavement everyday outside my residence. No fines so far (it's been about 6 months since I bought the bike).