Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[bustop]

isn't that a good thing? it work as well as a $22 engine oil! cheers...

 

hmm, saw some reviews abt the chex9000 so was expecting some "feel" mah.

 

My 125Z is totally unfussy about oil. Once upon a long time ago, I never changed (mineral) EO for over 6 months. Still fine.

 

4 strokes however, the EO has to do much more work lubricating both the top and bottom ends of the engine. Some bikes even feel differently when changing grades or brands of EO.

 

Since I had to keep up with class 2/2A convoys last night (constant high throttle settings and speeds) over more than 4 hours of riding, I'm glad I had full synthetic oil

 

6mths?! woah.. doing testing or ?

[Isopropyl]

No oil filter in my bike' date=' so extended OCIs are out of the question.[/quote']

 

true. but at least you can change your oil regularly which i think is kind of fun. hahaha...

 

i guess my next oil will be Shell Rimula R3X. heard nothing but good review on this oil. further more it just cost RM14-15. alot of malaysia bikers are using this oil. it is Allison C-4 approved so should be safe for wet clutch.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Saw R3X last week at Shell station. Nice packaging.

 

Probably will stick to Chex forever for this bike though. If it works don't fix it :3

 

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Are there any places in Singapore that can do oil analysis at non-cutthroat prices?

 

Those articles in the States about people sending used oil samples for analysis at $20 are making me jealous. The results could be educational as it tells you about the additive levels and different chemicals in the oil.

[Isopropyl]

Saw R3X last week at Shell station. Nice packaging.

 

Probably will stick to Chex forever for this bike though. If it works don't fix it :3

 

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Are there any places in Singapore that can do oil analysis at non-cutthroat prices?

 

Those articles in the States about people sending used oil samples for analysis at $20 are making me jealous. The results could be educational as it tells you about the additive levels and different chemicals in the oil.

 

RX3 in spore cost $11. in jb just RM14-15. good price. i will get a small bottle to try. if it is good, will grab a 5L bottle

 

you can't go wrong with Chex anyway. i call up the distributor and ask whether can i buy directly from them. too bad they only sell to Motorshop.

 

switch from 50w back to a 40w make me realise it does affect the pick up a bit. with the raising petrol price, it make sense to stick with a lighter wieght if the bike engine allow. just got to live with a louder engine. even 92 now cost more then $2 before discount.

 

not that i know of. normally have to send the samples to states for UOA. it is a good way to decide which oil to go for. too bad we can only depend on anecdotal evidence as well as oversea UOA. but well, way before UOA become common, the old school method is to feel the oil. take some oil from dip stick, feel it. if it still feel slick and thick, it is good to go. if it feel watery or beginning to cake-up, time to change. sound low tech but that how things goes in the past.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Ok thanks for the info :3

 

Oil weight - definitely, if the bike engine likes the lighter oil, having less pumping drag is always good. In cars, hybrids use up to 0-weight oil for fuel efficiency. There is a famous doctor in the US who uses 20-weight oil in his Ferarri for better efficiency, because he never uses the car for the track (go figure! Efficiency of a Ferrari!)

 

The benefits might be make and model dependant - SuperFours I've heard don't like 50 weight oil like Chex, for instance. Others are less fussy. I don't think my 125Z actually cares what kind of oil is in it. I've used the cheapest mineral EO for many years and never had issues with the gearbox. The Z's clutch has had years of many-times-daily drag starts and never needed maintenence.

 

For constant high engine loads though, thicker oils are always desired for better protection. Used 10W40 once on my Phantom - was tolerable up to 90kph but above that the oil started foaming (can hear the difference - protection is lost).

[revhappy]

Chex 9000 in my Bajaj Pulsar 180 is about 1700 kms old. Initially I felt rough after changing from Motul 5100, but as the miles have piled on its getting smoother and smoother. Right now I am lovin it:cheer: Normally for my bike, if its mineral I change after 2k kms as it gets rough, but Motul 5100 I changed after 3500 kms as its a good quality oil and for Chex 9000 as well thats my target and I am pretty sure its going to last it.

 

As Kalyan bro, suggested, its only lack of oil filter that will make me change it at 3.5k, otherwise I would have taken it to the 5k kms mark

[Isopropyl]

Chex 9000 in my Bajaj Pulsar 180 is about 1700 kms old. Initially I felt rough after changing from Motul 5100, but as the miles have piled on its getting smoother and smoother. Right now I am lovin it:cheer: Normally for my bike, if its mineral I change after 2k kms as it gets rough, but Motul 5100 I changed after 3500 kms as its a good quality oil and for Chex 9000 as well thats my target and I am pretty sure its going to last it.

 

As Kalyan bro, suggested, its only lack of oil filter that will make me change it at 3.5k, otherwise I would have taken it to the 5k kms mark

 

yes my dear friend. chex 9000 is a lasting oil. after running it for 2000km, it is still slick and thicker then fresh carlube 10w40 oil when i drained it out. should mean it is still be in 50wt. super shear stable. i quite sure it can last at least 5000km.

 

bajaj pulsar 180 does not have oil filter? it a good bike. heard it is FC is super good.

[revhappy]

yes my dear friend. chex 9000 is a lasting oil. after running it for 2000km, it is still slick and thicker then fresh carlube 10w40 oil when i drained it out. should mean it is still be in 50wt. super shear stable. i quite sure it can last at least 5000km.

 

bajaj pulsar 180 does not have oil filter? it a good bike. heard it is FC is super good.

 

No lah bro, it doesnt have oil filter and it is carb type and air cooled so a bit old school like the phantom. I am getting an FC of close to 50 km/ltr, the tank is 18 Ltrs, so I go to JB to top up everytime and the full tank lasts me 700+km without utilising reserve

Edited March 9, 2011 by revhappy

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Wow, pulsar sounds like great value for $. Got to look out for used pulsars in shops. How is the reliability and upkeep of your bike? If it's as reliable as an AK47 I don't mind to trade in my Phantom before COE expires or due for overhaul, whichever is earlier

[revhappy]

Wow' date=' pulsar sounds like great value for $. Got to look out for used pulsars in shops. How is the reliability and upkeep of your bike? If it's as reliable as an AK47 I don't mind to trade in my Phantom before COE expires or due for overhaul, whichever is earlier [/quote']

 

The bike is very reliable, as long as you take care of the basics like change EO at regular intervals etc, check spark plugs, AF every 2.5K kms etc which I am sure you do very well. Its a 5 speed gear box and the bike was made for Indian roads where speeds are lower. Hence the stock gearing is a bit short. So inorder to get better cruisability at 100 km/hr it would be wise to change the rear sprocket to smaller size. The stock tyres are hard compound so better to change to soft compound like Bridgestone BT39. Other than that there is no other maintainance and its a good touring bike as well as for daily transport.

 

We are a big gang of pulsarians here in Singapore. And you can find more info here:

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/188463-Group-Singapore-BAJAJ-Team-(SBT)

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

@revhappy thanks for the links.

 

Pulsar will very likely be my next stop as it's not likely I will ever need the horsepower of a 2A/2. Good to have a supportive community of Pulsar riders, even though statistics wise, Indian bikes are still very much the minority.

 

For exclusivity I might consider Bajaj Avenger and Apache RTR series too. Avenger of course buy first hand :3

[Isopropyl]

i love to ride kup. only problem is the 4L tank. if not i will go JB too.

 

Bajaj sound good. haha... but what the recommended OCI in the manual?

[tom_fiz]

Hey guys.. iv tried xrev on my revo... Fantastic oil... but abit rough when cold but when the bike heats up gear change is damn smooth... love the oil..

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

i love to ride kup. only problem is the 4L tank. if not i will go JB too.

 

Bajaj sound good. haha... but what the recommended OCI in the manual?

 

 

Lol, 125Z reminds me of a rocket. At full speed on the highway, one day refuel once

 

Go further, need 'external fuel tanks'.

[revhappy]

i love to ride kup. only problem is the 4L tank. if not i will go JB too.

 

Bajaj sound good. haha... but what the recommended OCI in the manual?

 

OCI in the manual is 5k kms. But I dont really trust that because bike manufacturers like to specify longer OCI's so that a prospective bike buyer gets a feeling that its maintainance cost is low.

[revhappy]

Lol, 125Z reminds me of a rocket. At full speed on the highway, one day refuel once

 

Go further, need 'external fuel tanks'.

 

bajaj you can go to KL and come back with out refueling, haha

[revhappy]

@revhappy thanks for the links.

 

Pulsar will very likely be my next stop as it's not likely I will ever need the horsepower of a 2A/2. Good to have a supportive community of Pulsar riders, even though statistics wise, Indian bikes are still very much the minority.

 

For exclusivity I might consider Bajaj Avenger and Apache RTR series too. Avenger of course buy first hand :3

 

The Apache RTR 180 is a nice bike too, but its stock gearing ratio is 14/46 i.e. 109 Kms/Hr @8.5K RPM. If I buy the bike, first thing I will do is throw away the rear sprocket and change it to 40 teeth , if I could find one.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

bajaj you can go to KL and come back with out refueling, haha

 

That one different, Boeing 747 mah. lol.

[arthur_chan]

bajaj you can go to KL and come back with out refueling, haha

 

been there, done that

 

That one different' date=' Boeing 747 mah. lol.[/quote']

 

seriously not boeing, bajaj pulsar. i'm not bluffing u.

 

If it's as reliable as an AK47

like one of our bro said: is it the rider or the ride?

u give someone who dont maintain n misuse the ak, do u think it's reliable?

Edited March 11, 2011 by arthur_chan

[Isopropyl]

Hey guys.. iv tried xrev on my revo... Fantastic oil... but abit rough when cold but when the bike heats up gear change is damn smooth... love the oil..

 

on it website, it mention it is not to be use for small bike. i sent an email asking them about that. something to do with clutch slipping.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

like one of our bro said: is it the rider or the ride?

u give someone who dont maintain n misuse the ak, do u think it's reliable?

 

Very reliable. I own bikes to abuse them totally. Showroom bikes stay in showrooms. Not washing the bike at all is part of the neglect package, so is using it as a test platform for various 1940s performance enhancement techniques used for aircraft. PhD in kopitiam engineering required

 

Likewise, an AK is almost totally reliable in the harshest of environments where more highly engineered weapons fail.

 

There is a reason why there is a surprisingly strong market for old rust buckets. The reason is that with a track record of "specimens" running for many years on minimal maintenence and surviving, certain bike models will be around for a long time to come. Why I don't really care for justifying my statements here is that the real world out there is where progress is made developing the bike industry and arguments might be much more productive out there than copy pasting old posts to satisfy everyone's curiousity.

 

The AK statements, just like everything else posted on SBF for everyone to benefit from, are an end result from years of homework. Consider the rider a non issue, I'm here for the machines.

 

on it website, it mention it is not to be use for small bike. i sent an email asking them about that. something to do with clutch slipping.

 

This statement sad to say makes the company look like it has no credibility. Clutch slippage never depends on the cc of bike, because a lot of big bikes also have wet clutches. We all know wet clutches + friction reducers = less effective clutch engagement.

 

If that's the case turbo-diesel pickup oil can be used as motorcycle oil. It contains a lot of the special protective features desired in a motorcycle engine. Because it doesn't contain fancy bike specific marketing lingo, no one dares to try (unlike in other nations).

Edited March 12, 2011 by Pandora's Kitten :3

[failsafe]

Any comment on Mobil1?

At wat mileage can it stretch for EO change?

Any recommendation on shop & pricing?

[Isopropyl]

This statement sad to say makes the company look like it has no credibility. Clutch slippage never depends on the cc of bike, because a lot of big bikes also have wet clutches. We all know wet clutches + friction reducers = less effective clutch engagement.

 

If that's the case turbo-diesel pickup oil can be used as motorcycle oil. It contains a lot of the special protective features desired in a motorcycle engine. Because it doesn't contain fancy bike specific marketing lingo, no one dares to try (unlike in other nations).

 

true. i don't see the logic behind it too. i don't think a small bike use a worst clutch plate then a bigger bike.

 

HDEO will be my next posion sadly it is not kicking off over here. i talk to a couple of friends about it and most of them think i am crazy to be thinking of that. to quote sunruh from BITOG forums who done many UOAs: "even the worst HDEO ive tested is better than any 10w40 or 10w30 that ive also tested."

 

sweet. just sweet.

[NoFishesAllowed]

when i ask unique wad is the highest rating and grades for eo, they tell me those with esters are the highest now...

 

so pls help me vote and comment: belray vs maxima ester eo

[Isopropyl]

when i ask unique wad is the highest rating and grades for eo, they tell me those with esters are the highest now...

 

so pls help me vote and comment: belray vs maxima ester eo

Different engine response differently so it best you try both oils. If my choice is only these 2, i simply stick with the cheaper one since i cant go wrong with either. Just 1 thing to note for maxima oil. In the amsoil EO test, maxima sheared out of grade. unless u mod yr engine, race/high-rev or planning extended OCI, i doubt it make any different.