Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Pika - just hop over to Planet Motors at Ubi lah, you can go via Braddell Road and take a left past Maris Stella High Sch. then turn into Paya Lebar Rd. Should take you just 10-15mins max. If traffic jam on Braddell just hit lane 1 and stick to it until it clears, all the cars are headed towards the CTE and will cut left pretty soon.

 

@kinwei thanks for sharing Hayabusa economics Something new.

 

@ Iso - The problem with me is no passport. How to import oil from JB. The long term economics are definitely sound, and if the diesel oils are JASO MA or even API rated, there's zero worry on engine damage.

 

If the majority of bikes can run on $3 engine oil from LAB, or even budget oils like Carlube, standard m/c oils with good petrol is like buying Swensens every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[I_Ride_A_Bike]

anyone can advice where to buy chex 900 in amk? and the cost?

currently using idemitsu semi sync but regular one is castrol power1 fully sync

 

KS motor at amk industrial park 2. I saw some stocks of chex9000 inside his shop. Price wise, go find out from the mechanics.

I didnt ask..

[hachi]

Going to try those diesel engine oil on my next oil change.....

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Anyone want to discuss oil in real life at ktm station this friday night? over ramly burgers lol.

[kinwei]

hi kinwei. Rotella is only market in USA. in other countries, it is market under Rimula or Shell Helix. locally we can only find Rimula RX3 easily. although it look similar to the link you posted, the rating is different. RX3 is only CH-4 rated. it might be the samething or very close. if you want to find something else, you might need to email shell to direct you to a dealer.

 

If i am not wrong, Rotella T6 might be the samething or close to Helix HX7 Diesel . both is synthetic. as the rating is different, there is no way to tell. only Rotella is JASO MA rated. Helix HX7 Diesel can be found easily in JB. cost is RM29/RM99 for 1L and 5L bottle.

 

it seem many only think people are using HDEO for cost saving while neglecting the fact that it does performance better or comparable to many motorcycle oil.

 

can't wait for my next oil change. so far only 500km on the carlube 4T. another 1500km to go before i ditch it for Delvac MX

 

I will stick to Delvac first as it will be easier to find locally. But the HX7 look interesting too as it is meet API SM spec. Which mean, it meet the bike manual specification of SF/SG or SH/SJ requirement (Am I right?). Yes, the fact that HDEO perform better than a normal eo attract me. I'm a value for money person. If the thing cost me big $ but worth every cent, I will still spend it. I'm not easily sway by the usual marketing hype.

Edited March 16, 2011 by kinwei

[kinwei]

@kinwei thanks for sharing Hayabusa economics Something new.

 

 

All big bikes are indeed more expensive to operate and maintain. But with logical and sound decision, you can actually drastically reduce the cost. To me, doing more is a Waste. Doing less is a NO NO. Doing just right is a Must.

[Isopropyl]

I will stick to Delvac first as it will be easier to find locally. Yes, the fact that HDEO perform better than a normal eo attract me. I'm a value for money person. If the thing cost me big $ but worth every cent, I will still spend it. I'm not easily sway by the usual marketing hype.

 

if you are getting locally, just to share with you in case you are interested. while seaching for delvac mx, i came across this thread. the thread was dated 2009 so i contacted the seller for price updated. he told me he is selling big bottle delvac mx for $38. at esso a big bottle will cost you almost $59. it still a good deal. not sure the dealing procedure but his contact is in the thread so you might want to try.

 

Disclaimer: please note i do not know and have never deal with the seller.

[kinwei]

if you are getting locally, just to share with you in case you are interested. while seaching for delvac mx, i came across this thread. the thread was dated 2009 so i contacted the seller for price updated. he told me he is selling big bottle delvac mx for $38. at esso a big bottle will cost you almost $59. it still a good deal. not sure the dealing procedure but his contact is in the thread so you might want to try.

 

Disclaimer: please note i do not know and have never deal with the seller.

 

Great information. I will consider it. But you got me interested in Helix HX7 instead. I still prefer Syn over mineral.

[revhappy]

anyone can advice where to buy chex 900 in amk? and the cost?

currently using idemitsu semi sync but regular one is castrol power1 fully sync

 

Also available at Keng Seng Motors in AMK industrial area, I think its the first shop when you approach from Ave 3. Price is 16$.

[revhappy]

can't wait for my next oil change. so far only 500km on the carlube 4T. another 1500km to go before i ditch it for Delvac MX

 

I doubt whether carlube will last that long. The last time I tried cheap mineral oil(Bardahl), I started getting severe vibrations after 1.5k kms and had to chuck the oil out before it would be too late. I know carlube is fully synthetic. But its cost tells me that it wont be too much better than a mineral

Edited March 17, 2011 by revhappy

[revhappy]

Both Shell Rimula RX3 and Mobil1 Delvac MX are 40 weight oils. Are there any 50 weight diesel EOs?

[Isopropyl]

hehe... some ex-users of carlube said the same thing. so far i feel it is ok. just that engine tend to virbrate more then chex 9000. other then that, not much complain at 500++kms.

 

in singapore there is 50wt for R3X but i can't seem to find 50wt in malaysia. it not hard to find 50wt HDEO in singapore.

[crazydj]

Anyone want to discuss oil in real life at ktm station this friday night? over ramly burgers lol.

 

The ramli burgers there suck.

[angkong]

AMSOIL gt one of the best reviews..MAXIMA also good...motul also nt bad....u can check the reviews and compare the diff how how much u wanna spend.amsoil the last place i saw is a shop at toh guan. TWINS performance...

[Isopropyl]

Great information. I will consider it. But you got me interested in Helix HX7 instead. I still prefer Syn over mineral.

 

personally i believe the Helix Diesel HX7 is going to be a great oil especially it is the Helix series which is shell brand name for best engine oil. but i do find it a bit strange. the API commercial rating for this oil is only CF which is a very old rating. i just find that companies doesn't care about updating their rating if it is not market for market like the states. most likely they are thinking people here doesn't know how to read rating. as long as it contain serveral key words like "Helix", "Synthetic" and the price is high enough, people will think it will be good. Brands like Delo or Delvac had much better rating then Helix Diesel HX7 as it is the same brands that is marketed oversea.

 

sadly, that is very true according to our local mindset. for this, it make great commercial sense since sending oil for API testing take serious money.

[lost4love]

AMSOIL gt one of the best reviews..MAXIMA also good...motul also nt bad....u can check the reviews and compare the diff how how much u wanna spend.amsoil the last place i saw is a shop at toh guan. TWINS performance...

 

How much does a bottle of AMSOIL engine oil?

[Isopropyl]

How much does a bottle of AMSOIL engine oil?

 

$24 at most motortiam.

[kinwei]

personally i believe the Helix Diesel HX7 is going to be a great oil especially it is the Helix series which is shell brand name for best engine oil. but i do find it a bit strange. the API commercial rating for this oil is only CF which is a very old rating. i just find that companies doesn't care about updating their rating if it is not market for market like the states. most likely they are thinking people here doesn't know how to read rating. as long as it contain serveral key words like "Helix", "Synthetic" and the price is high enough, people will think it will be good. Brands like Delo or Delvac had much better rating then Helix Diesel HX7 as it is the same brands that is marketed oversea.

 

sadly, that is very true according to our local mindset. for this, it make great commercial sense since sending oil for API testing take serious money.

 

I believe Shell do not want HX7 to conflict with their other market. This way, they can still carry on selling their car/motorcycle range of oil at a much higher premium price.

 

Another reason for me to use Synthetic oil is my extended OCI. My another understanding of syn oil is that it will last twice or more the mileage of the mineral. I go for at least 8k km mileage before I change oil. And my bike naturally run hotter. Heat is an enemy of oil. Hence I prefer to use Synthetic. The price per 5L is also not very ex as well. See which one I can get hold of it first.

[Isopropyl]

I believe Shell do not want HX7 to conflict with their other market. This way, they can still carry on selling their car/motorcycle range of oil at a much higher premium price.

 

Another reason for me to use Synthetic oil is my extended OCI. My another understanding of syn oil is that it will last twice or more the mileage of the mineral. I go for at least 8k km mileage before I change oil. And my bike naturally run hotter. Heat is an enemy of oil. Hence I prefer to use Synthetic. The price per 5L is also not very ex as well. See which one I can get hold of it first.

 

i think i quoted wrongly. HX7 is 4L for RM99. still quite reasonable at 10SGD per L.

 

synthetic is great if you are planning for extended OCI. i am riding a kup with oil filter. the manual recommend OCI is 6000km. yet very often, motortiam and rider recommend 2000km OCI even with good quality synthetic. still, with good quality oil, not many feel comfortable with even manual OCI not to mention extended. maybe due to the myth created by motortiam wanting more business. a friend of mine who use Motul 300V on his kup and push the limit to 10000km OCI. his well-travelled bike is 5year old now without any engine problem. another riding S4 with about 130,000kms use nothing but $5 mineral oil and changing every 12000km. not a single engine overhaul.

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

In the States, drivers are slowly finding out that 10,000 mile (16,000km) and above OCIs are easily possible with synthetic oils.

[black.rx]

GREAT to see so many pros advises here. Oil lubricants really a headache...read a few top brands websites histories and discovered actually they are not really motoring lubricant oils creators. Best test should be in the tracks where real hard rev are tested to proof there qualities. Pls keep all notified if there is a good brand to rec...it will helps us riders cheers to the end!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Hi Black, if your priority is on track credentials then you can't go wrong with Motul 300V Factoryline and Amsoil.

 

But most of the bikes in general purpose commuting use today don't exploit fully the capabilities of the best oils on the market so knowledge about oil and its chemistry also means you can pick the optimal type of oil to suit your individual riding conditions and of course match the oil to your bike's features

 

Like that gentleman who uses mineral oil on his Super Four with 12,000km OCI. That takes some guts (and knowledge) to accomplish! Imagine the money saved comparing extended OCI + mineral oil, compared with Motul 300V every 4000km.

[Isopropyl]

Like that gentleman who uses mineral oil on his Super Four with 12' date='000km OCI. That takes some guts (and knowledge) to accomplish! Imagine the money saved comparing extended OCI + mineral oil, compared with Motul 300V every 4000km.[/quote']

 

he told me by the time it reaches 12,000kms, it flow out and feel just like water. haha... i don't really recommend going to this extend. but hey, it work for him. engine still running strong with average speed of 110-130km/h on the road going in and out of singapore and malaysia almost daily

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

One thing to note is that like the above, very good example, mineral oil does shear down (long molecules are sheared into smaller ones which means a 10W50 mineral slowly becomes 40-weight over time).

 

High operating temperature will cause the oil to break down faster.

 

Synthetic oil gives better high temperature high shear (HTHS) resistance and will not break down into "water" under use, hence giving longer OCIs. Because synthetics are manufactured they also have uniform molecular sizes and flow faster, giving better cold start protection and dissipate heat faster. Some report that after changing to synthetic oil the air rising out of the engine bay is "hotter". This is a good thing.

 

If anyone wants to test to this extent I recommend buying a IR thermometer so you can test yours and your friends' bikes of similar makes and see the difference in engine bay temperatures between different grades and types of oil. With this useful tool you can also test for yourself if a properly done exhaust wrap reduces engine bay temperatures by up to 50% (note, properly done... or in my case, DIY fabricated

[angkong]

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