Cb400x 2013

[bruce71]

Honda is trying to be the pioneer for fuel economy and greener engines. I think its just entered a new age and its designs still at the stage of infancy. I do hope that in a few years to come, they'll produce more power while maintaining fuel economy. Just like when the world started to kill off 2-strokes, 4 -strokes were reputed to be complicated and slow. You get the drift...

 

it is easy to make a 4 stroke faster than a 2 stroke...last season debut of the 4 stroke 250cc Moto3 has already surpassed the lap times of the previous season 2 stroke GP125...

 

getting more power, reducing weight to improve performance is not too difficult technically...

 

 

there are other issues...observe the dirt bikes racing world to understand that there is a bigger problem than just speed...

 

too long to sexplain here & have no wish to derail thread, will discuss when the time comes...

 

 

FYI, it was Honda the brought upon the fall of two stokes and the rise of 4 strokes.

 

yes..& see what has happened in the last 12 years?

 

 

Aiyo, your comprehension abit fail la brother. Lim explained that now honda is trying to spearhead the greener bikes market, that's why its latest designs are not there yet. Still market testing stage mah.

 

2 or 4 stroke, carb or FIs, naturally apirated or supercharged or turbocharged...whatever the technology is...

 

some principles never change...more power = more air & petrol. period...

 

unless someone suddenly comes out with truly revolutionary groundbreaking ( real scientific one, not the usual over abused phrase for marketing hype )...science or technology, then we will see major changes...

 

or else it is just going to be a bit minor here & there...

 

at present, even the new rules for economy for cutting edge 800cc engines with the best & lightest chassis with the most expensive suspension & braking technology used in MotoGP cannot break away from modified 1000cc SBK...bikes that we can buy...last season SBK lap times caught up with MotoGP, the times were really close...

 

this year, MotoGp is going back to the litre engines...only then can they have any real advantage...

Edited March 29, 2013 by bruce71

[r1der]

it is easy to make a 4 stroke faster than a 2 stroke...last season debut of the 4 stroke 250cc Moto3 has already surpassed the lap times of the previous season 2 stroke GP125...

 

getting more power, reducing weight to improve performance is not too difficult technically...

 

 

there are other issues...observe the dirt bikes racing world to understand that there is a bigger problem than just speed...

 

too long to sexplain here & have no wish to derail thread, will discuss when the time comes...

 

 

 

 

yes..& see what has happened in the last 12 years?

 

 

 

 

2 or 4 stroke, carb or FIs, naturally apirated or supercharged or turbocharged...whatever the technology is...

 

some principles never change...more power = more air & petrol. period...

 

unless someone suddenly comes out with truly revolutionary groundbreaking ( real scientific one, not the usual over abused phrase for marketing hype )...science or technology, then we will see major changes...

 

or else it is just going to be a bit minor here & there...

 

at present, even the new rules for economy for cutting edge 800cc engines with the best & lightest chassis with the most expensive suspension & braking technology used in MotoGP cannot break away from modified 1000cc SBK...bikes that we can buy...last season SBK lap times caught up with MotoGP, the times were really close...

 

this year, MotoGp is going back to the litre engines...only then can they have any real advantage...

 

Agreed, its going to b fun seeing litre bike in motogp.

[Limhg]

Honda is targeting the more sensible and matured riders now la.. They dont target the young blokes who wish for crotch rockets nowadays.. More to low revving high torque, fuel efficient, comfort and practicality. I have a few friends who fell in love with the NC700 because of the option of DCT and auto gearbox.

 

Its going to be all practical, all sensible.. Maybe too blend for us young riders who is searching for thrills on a bike. Give it a few years and most of the bikes on the road will be this way too. Just look at the sportier cars of last era.. Nowadays cars are all boring and practical that they all lack passion and driving satisfaction.

 

Sad, but at least Kawasaki is targeting the younger generation with its agressive designs.. like Z1000, Versys, Ninja, Zx-14. Just look at honda's new cbr600 to see where they are heading... =(

[Jehuty]

it is easy to make a 4 stroke faster than a 2 stroke...last season debut of the 4 stroke 250cc Moto3 has already surpassed the lap times of the previous season 2 stroke GP125...

 

getting more power, reducing weight to improve performance is not too difficult technically...

 

 

there are other issues...observe the dirt bikes racing world to understand that there is a bigger problem than just speed...

 

too long to sexplain here & have no wish to derail thread, will discuss when the time comes...

 

 

 

 

yes..& see what has happened in the last 12 years?

 

 

 

 

2 or 4 stroke, carb or FIs, naturally apirated or supercharged or turbocharged...whatever the technology is...

 

some principles never change...more power = more air & petrol. period...

 

unless someone suddenly comes out with truly revolutionary groundbreaking ( real scientific one, not the usual over abused phrase for marketing hype )...science or technology, then we will see major changes...

 

or else it is just going to be a bit minor here & there...

 

at present, even the new rules for economy for cutting edge 800cc engines with the best & lightest chassis with the most expensive suspension & braking technology used in MotoGP cannot break away from modified 1000cc SBK...bikes that we can buy...last season SBK lap times caught up with MotoGP, the times were really close...

 

this year, MotoGp is going back to the litre engines...only then can they have any real advantage...

 

You're talking about technology that was neglected vs technology that was constantly improved so yes, its not fair to compare Moto3 and GP125.

 

I don't know what happened in the last 12 years, all I know its the product of environmental control and all that crap

 

Either way Im still hoping Honda flesh out a V4 sports bike, not some tourer .

[Jehuty]

it is easy to make a 4 stroke faster than a 2 stroke...last season debut of the 4 stroke 250cc Moto3 has already surpassed the lap times of the previous season 2 stroke GP125...

 

getting more power, reducing weight to improve performance is not too difficult technically...

 

 

there are other issues...observe the dirt bikes racing world to understand that there is a bigger problem than just speed...

 

too long to sexplain here & have no wish to derail thread, will discuss when the time comes...

 

 

 

 

yes..& see what has happened in the last 12 years?

 

 

 

 

2 or 4 stroke, carb or FIs, naturally apirated or supercharged or turbocharged...whatever the technology is...

 

some principles never change...more power = more air & petrol. period...

 

unless someone suddenly comes out with truly revolutionary groundbreaking ( real scientific one, not the usual over abused phrase for marketing hype )...science or technology, then we will see major changes...

 

or else it is just going to be a bit minor here & there...

 

at present, even the new rules for economy for cutting edge 800cc engines with the best & lightest chassis with the most expensive suspension & braking technology used in MotoGP cannot break away from modified 1000cc SBK...bikes that we can buy...last season SBK lap times caught up with MotoGP, the times were really close...

 

this year, MotoGp is going back to the litre engines...only then can they have any real advantage...

 

You're talking about technology that was neglected vs technology that was constantly improved so yes, its not fair to compare Moto3 and GP125.

 

I don't know what happened in the last 12 years, all I know its the product of environmental control and all that crap

 

Either way Im still hoping Honda flesh out a V4 sports bike, not some tourer .

[bruce71]

You're talking about technology that was neglected vs technology that was constantly improved so yes, its not fair to compare Moto3 and GP125.

 

I don't know what happened in the last 12 years, all I know its the product of environmental control and all that crap

 

Either way Im still hoping Honda flesh out a V4 sports bike, not some tourer .

 

yes, 2 stroke engines were "dumped" after 2001, neglected & stagnated for the last 12 years, with many people mistakenly believe it is 'outdated'...thinking that 4 stroke is 'new' & thus 'better' technology that replaced the "old" ways...

 

what they overlooked is that both 2 or 4 strokes engines were started out from ages ago...4 stroke engines are just as old as 2 strokes, both were massively improved during the 50s & 60s racing eras, as they competed on equal footing...

 

by the 70s, 80s, 90s, the 2 strokes were preferred over 4 strokes...for many various reasons...the folks at that time logically chose the 'better' technology...

 

so the only reason they were dumped is due to "environmentalist pressure" or the while when we still have diesel vehicles, overkill SUVs for city use, electric/ hybrid "green" cars that uses batteries that severely damaged the environment to a great extend in the process of making them...not to mention the oil that needs to be used to produce the electricity to power such green cars...don't even need to mention the dangers of nuclear power for electricity...

 

that is why i think those pretence of environmentalists is so ironic...

 

as for the whole direction Honda is making nowadays...it is obvious to all except to those most optimistic that they will not take this path...almost impossible...

[bruce71]

Honda is targeting the more sensible and matured riders now la.. They dont target the young blokes who wish for crotch rockets nowadays.. More to low revving high torque, fuel efficient, comfort and practicality. I have a few friends who fell in love with the NC700 because of the option of DCT and auto gearbox.

 

Its going to be all practical, all sensible.. Maybe too blend for us young riders who is searching for thrills on a bike. Give it a few years and most of the bikes on the road will be this way too. Just look at the sportier cars of last era.. Nowadays cars are all boring and practical that they all lack passion and driving satisfaction.

 

Sad, but at least Kawasaki is targeting the younger generation with its agressive designs.. like Z1000, Versys, Ninja, Zx-14. Just look at honda's new cbr600 to see where they are heading... =(

 

funny thing is that if I had wanted something slow, economical...i will have gone for something lighter ( thus even more econmical than these 700cc ), cheaper too!

 

those guys raving about 29km/l when my lighter 2 stroke bike gets the same fuel economy travelling at their speed, or 4 stroke 2b bikes getting 40km/L...so what is so economic about such giants? besides they cost more in every other way to maintain than smaller bikes!

 

auto & whatever are all "nice to haves" but for such "extras", the trade off in price & fuel economy ( due to weight ) is arguable...so they should not be saying that they are economical, cause they are NOT...they are for 700cc, but that is only because they are also slower than previous 700cc...which if FC is important ( important to me btw, i am not an oil rich arab )...i chose something smaller, lighter, cheaper, even MORE economical & in the real world probably just as "fast" ( at below speed limits )...so?

[Limhg]

funny thing is that if I had wanted something slow, economical...i will have gone for something lighter ( thus even more econmical than these 700cc ), cheaper too!

 

those guys raving about 29km/l when my lighter 2 stroke bike gets the same fuel economy travelling at their speed, or 4 stroke 2b bikes getting 40km/L...so what is so economic about such giants? besides they cost more in every other way to maintain than smaller bikes!

 

auto & whatever are all "nice to haves" but for such "extras", the trade off in price & fuel economy ( due to weight ) is arguable...so they should not be saying that they are economical, cause they are NOT...they are for 700cc, but that is only because they are also slower than previous 700cc...which if FC is important ( important to me btw, i am not an oil rich arab )...i chose something smaller, lighter, cheaper, even MORE economical & in the real world probably just as "fast" ( at below speed limits )...so?

 

its a good balance between fuel economy, power and comfort. The NC700 can cruise all the way to thailand doing 140-150 while getting 29km/l. Try that with a 150cc 2 stroke lor, not that bearable already mah... Firstly, you dont feel comfortable and dont have respectable street presence on a 150cc weed whacker. 2ndly, the torque difference is alot. The 700 can go up mountain with pillion relatively comfortable, the small bike will most probably make it but with a hell lot of struggle and cursing.

 

Dont say get for transport bike la. The fully capable nc700 cannot be compared with a kup kia or a 2b 2 stroker la. Different class, different purpose. Its an all rounder bike, can commute can tour, can go highways, can go offroad, can go manual, can go auto. Not that bad actually.

 

Told u it was for more matured, sensible riders le. Those that dont find a need to compare horsepower but instead want practicality,comfort, the ability to go anywhere and the torque to still be in the league of class 2 bikes.

[bruce71]

its a good balance between fuel economy, power and comfort. The NC700 can cruise all the way to thailand doing 140-150 while getting 29km/l. Try that with a 150cc 2 stroke lor, not that bearable already mah... Firstly, you dont feel comfortable and dont have respectable street presence on a 150cc weed whacker. 2ndly, the torque difference is alot. The 700 can go up mountain with pillion relatively comfortable, the small bike will most probably make it but with a hell lot of struggle and cursing.

 

Dont say get for transport bike la. The fully capable nc700 cannot be compared with a kup kia or a 2b 2 stroker la. Different class, different purpose. Its an all rounder bike, can commute can tour, can go highways, can go offroad, can go manual, can go auto. Not that bad actually.

 

Told u it was for more matured, sensible riders le. Those that dont find a need to compare horsepower but instead want practicality,comfort, the ability to go anywhere and the torque to still be in the league of class 2 bikes.

 

ok, accept your point...cheers!

 

but...btw...

 

1) read in local magazines years ago, a malaysian rode a Modenas GT128 across Asia, a malaysian girl rode a Yamaha Fz-150i to Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam...

 

recently read a Singaporean Married Couple travelled a long way in the region on a Yamaha Spark 135, a fellow forumer here claimed he went to Thailand on a Krr 150...

 

2) the roads in SE Asia are NOT like the autobahns of Germany...outside the NSHW, almost most of the roads in our region are NOT SAFE to ride at above 150...

 

most riders will probably end up slower than that considering the state of the roads in our region...

 

in the end most people only dare to speed at NSHW which has a much lower speed limit...even some Msian drivers & riders were caught while returning to their hometowns...be warned if you think just because it is NSHW, it's ok...

 

personally i try my best NOT to exceed the speed limit even there, cause being a foreigner there makes it easier for them to find fault with us...

[roderick]

read on websites that there is a cbr 400r, cb400f, and a 400x. the 400x is a. cross-tourer type.

 

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/03/12/motorcycle-news/honda-announces-cbr400r-cb400f-and-400x-for-japan/

 

the naming would make more sense this way?

 

just for sharing.

[Limhg]

ok, accept your point...cheers!

 

but...btw...

 

1) read in local magazines years ago, a malaysian rode a Modenas GT128 across Asia, a malaysian girl rode a Yamaha Fz-150i to Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam...

 

recently read a Singaporean Married Couple travelled a long way in the region on a Yamaha Spark 135, a fellow forumer here claimed he went to Thailand on a Krr 150...

 

2) the roads in SE Asia are NOT like the autobahns of Germany...outside the NSHW, almost most of the roads in our region are NOT SAFE to ride at above 150...

 

most riders will probably end up slower than that considering the state of the roads in our region...

 

in the end most people only dare to speed at NSHW which has a much lower speed limit...even some Msian drivers & riders were caught while returning to their hometowns...be warned if you think just because it is NSHW, it's ok...

 

personally i try my best NOT to exceed the speed limit even there, cause being a foreigner there makes it easier for them to find fault with us...

 

Can... ppl already ride bicycle go tour le. Just how comfortable is the difference. I'm not comfortable doing 100-110 at 8-9k rpm for long.. Bigger bike more stable, cruise at low rpm and much more legroom. I also dont like to speed

 

So how fast u travel when u tour malaysia? I find it safer to travel 120-140. Even their trucks and buses are doing 120. on the right lane u can see cars travelling 160-170 all the time. anything below 110 will travel on the road shoulder le. (which is more dangerous).

[Jehuty]

yes, 2 stroke engines were "dumped" after 2001, neglected & stagnated for the last 12 years, with many people mistakenly believe it is 'outdated'...thinking that 4 stroke is 'new' & thus 'better' technology that replaced the "old" ways...

 

what they overlooked is that both 2 or 4 strokes engines were started out from ages ago...4 stroke engines are just as old as 2 strokes, both were massively improved during the 50s & 60s racing eras, as they competed on equal footing...

 

by the 70s, 80s, 90s, the 2 strokes were preferred over 4 strokes...for many various reasons...the folks at that time logically chose the 'better' technology...

 

so the only reason they were dumped is due to "environmentalist pressure" or the while when we still have diesel vehicles, overkill SUVs for city use, electric/ hybrid "green" cars that uses batteries that severely damaged the environment to a great extend in the process of making them...not to mention the oil that needs to be used to produce the electricity to power such green cars...don't even need to mention the dangers of nuclear power for electricity...

 

that is why i think those pretence of environmentalists is so ironic...

 

as for the whole direction Honda is making nowadays...it is obvious to all except to those most optimistic that they will not take this path...almost impossible...

 

No matter how you compare 4 strokes and 2 strokes, a 2 stroke will always make more power and is lighter for similar capacity. Direct injection might help 2 strokes, flatten out the powerband and make it more fuel saavy than 4 strokes but as anyone would have guessed, it would take something huge for the market to move back to 2 strokes and is highly unlikely. Like you said, environmentalists are an ironic bunch, perhaps due to lack of foresight or simply out of paranoia or desperation.

[bruce71]

Can... ppl already ride bicycle go tour le. Just how comfortable is the difference. I'm not comfortable doing 100-110 at 8-9k rpm for long.. Bigger bike more stable, cruise at low rpm and much more legroom. I also dont like to speed

 

So how fast u travel when u tour malaysia? I find it safer to travel 120-140. Even their trucks and buses are doing 120. on the right lane u can see cars travelling 160-170 all the time. anything below 110 will travel on the road shoulder le. (which is more dangerous).

 

i have seldom done 8k rpm on my bike & NEVER for too long & have NEVER EVER done 9k rpm before...cause i never felt the need to...in singapore or malaysia...

 

in singapore, i stick to around 80 - 90 on expressways...

in malaysia, i stick to around 90 - 110 on their highways...

 

their vehicles maybe faster than me, so what? even in sg, got vehicles fly past me all the time, again so what?

 

edit: who says if you are travelling at ONLY 110, you must use road shoulder? there are ways wan...use your brain...

 

too slow or too scary for you? you can always REDUCE your time on the highway...there are alternatives...

 

seen many kup riders riding their kup from Ipoh to sg...4 stroke 100cc kups...with "luggage" too...with so much "weight"...they still made it with their underpowered "slow" bikes...

 

 

Even Back in singapore, i have speeding lorries, cocky big car drivers, even super4 riders fly past me on the expressways, so?

 

edit: what ever happened to your "i also don't like to speed"?

 

so why must being safer means go faster?

Edited March 31, 2013 by bruce71

[Jehuty]

i have seldom done 8k rpm on my bike & NEVER for too long & have NEVER EVER done 9k rpm before...cause i never felt the need to...in singapore or malaysia...

 

in singapore, i stick to around 80 - 90 on expressways...

in malaysia, i stick to around 90 - 110 on their highways...

 

their vehicles maybe faster than me, so what? even in sg, got vehicles fly past me all the time, again so what?

 

edit: who says if you are travelling at ONLY 110, you must use road shoulder? there are ways wan...use your brain...

 

too slow or too scary for you? you can always REDUCE your time on the highway...there are alternatives...

 

seen many kup riders riding their kup from Ipoh to sg...4 stroke 100cc kups...with "luggage" too...with so much "weight"...they still made it with their underpowered "slow" bikes...

 

 

Even Back in singapore, i have speeding lorries, cocky big car drivers, even super4 riders fly past me on the expressways, so?

 

edit: what ever happened to your "i also don't like to speed"?

 

so why must being safer means go faster?

 

Not if I want to reach KL in 2-3 hours, I have to fly. Besides I don't like being on the road for too long, fatigue gives way to more problems.

[Limhg]

i have seldom done 8k rpm on my bike & NEVER for too long & have NEVER EVER done 9k rpm before...cause i never felt the need to...in singapore or malaysia...

 

in singapore, i stick to around 80 - 90 on expressways...

in malaysia, i stick to around 90 - 110 on their highways...

 

their vehicles maybe faster than me, so what? even in sg, got vehicles fly past me all the time, again so what?

 

edit: who says if you are travelling at ONLY 110, you must use road shoulder? there are ways wan...use your brain...

 

too slow or too scary for you? you can always REDUCE your time on the highway...there are alternatives...

 

seen many kup riders riding their kup from Ipoh to sg...4 stroke 100cc kups...with "luggage" too...with so much "weight"...they still made it with their underpowered "slow" bikes...

 

Even Back in singapore, i have speeding lorries, cocky big car drivers, even super4 riders fly past me on the expressways, so?

 

edit: what ever happened to your "i also don't like to speed"?

 

so why must being safer means go faster?

 

You can check the today while riding thread. I am a fierce defendant of riding slow to speeding. I have always needed to ride at 8-9k on malaysia NSHW as my ybr125 does 100-110 at these rpms. If I ride 80-90 as u said. I will be hogging the road. All the malaysian bikes will be flying past me with maybe half a meter clearance? Tried before many times as i dont like to stress my engine too. I rode on road shoulder. road shoulder also dangerous. as sometimes ppl stop there and u have to change lane back to the flying kups lane.

 

If i like to speed i would for nothing also open throttle. slow back roads also open 8-9k, highway put 90 speed limit i open to max speed. Speeding doesnt mean just going fast, speeding means going fast when the situation doesnt need it and its a danger to do so. I mention going 8-9k rpm because u brought it up when we are discussing about touring in malaysia. The difference of going the same speed but alot more alot more comfortable and safer on a big bike.

 

Can la.. I also know can. u can take small roads if u wanna tour far on a 2b bike. But we were discussing why need nc700 this kind of class of bikes mah. If i take ur argument as a valid point. No need for class 2a and 2 bikes le. Everybody can just ride kup kia and use small roads. Dont stray from topic leh.

 

U are talking about u dont find a need to buy class 2a, class 2 bikes for yourself... I'm talking about what people want and need to go touring comfortably on a bike like the nc700 class of bikes. Totally different. Needs and wants. By right everybody dont need a bike. Just ride bicycle or walk also can reach destination. But many people enjoy touring and wish to do it safer and less stressful than on a 2b bike.

 

Lets say u and ur wife go touring la. You rather let ur wife sit on a 2b bike and go through the backroads or malaysia while sometimes forced to use the NSHW going roadshoulder? Or use a bigger capacity bike and cruise wherever u want to go with more comfort?

[Jehuty]

You can check the today while riding thread. I am a fierce defendant of riding slow to speeding. I have always needed to ride at 8-9k on malaysia NSHW as my ybr125 does 100-110 at these rpms. If I ride 80-90 as u said. I will be hogging the road. All the malaysian bikes will be flying past me with maybe half a meter clearance? Tried before many times as i dont like to stress my engine too. I rode on road shoulder. road shoulder also dangerous. as sometimes ppl stop there and u have to change lane back to the flying kups lane.

 

If i like to speed i would for nothing also open throttle. slow back roads also open 8-9k, highway put 90 speed limit i open to max speed. Speeding doesnt mean just going fast, speeding means going fast when the situation doesnt need it and its a danger to do so. I mention going 8-9k rpm because u brought it up when we are discussing about touring in malaysia. The difference of going the same speed but alot more alot more comfortable and safer on a big bike.

 

Can la.. I also know can. u can take small roads if u wanna tour far on a 2b bike. But we were discussing why need nc700 this kind of class of bikes mah. If i take ur argument as a valid point. No need for class 2a and 2 bikes le. Everybody can just ride kup kia and use small roads. Dont stray from topic leh.

 

U are talking about u dont find a need to buy class 2a, class 2 bikes for yourself... I'm talking about what people want and need to go touring comfortably on a bike like the nc700 class of bikes. Totally different. Needs and wants. By right everybody dont need a bike. Just ride bicycle or walk also can reach destination. But many people enjoy touring and wish to do it safer and less stressful than on a 2b bike.

 

Lets say u and ur wife go touring la. You rather let ur wife sit on a 2b bike and go through the backroads or malaysia while sometimes forced to use the NSHW going roadshoulder? Or use a bigger capacity bike and cruise wherever u want to go with more comfort?

 

I'm not for slow riding nor am I for speeding, I only know appropriate speed for the appropriate situation, I prefer to have power as of when and where I need it, so the more power the better in my opinion. Different people different strokes, riding slow makes me sleep thus putting me in more danger, so I ride relatively fast but relaxed.

[bruce71]

You can check the today while riding thread. I am a fierce defendant of riding slow to speeding. I have always needed to ride at 8-9k on malaysia NSHW as my ybr125 does 100-110 at these rpms. If I ride 80-90 as u said. I will be hogging the road. All the malaysian bikes will be flying past me with maybe half a meter clearance? Tried before many times as i dont like to stress my engine too. I rode on road shoulder. road shoulder also dangerous. as sometimes ppl stop there and u have to change lane back to the flying kups lane.

 

If i like to speed i would for nothing also open throttle. slow back roads also open 8-9k, highway put 90 speed limit i open to max speed. Speeding doesnt mean just going fast, speeding means going fast when the situation doesnt need it and its a danger to do so. I mention going 8-9k rpm because u brought it up when we are discussing about touring in malaysia. The difference of going the same speed but alot more alot more comfortable and safer on a big bike.

 

Can la.. I also know can. u can take small roads if u wanna tour far on a 2b bike. But we were discussing why need nc700 this kind of class of bikes mah. If i take ur argument as a valid point. No need for class 2a and 2 bikes le. Everybody can just ride kup kia and use small roads. Dont stray from topic leh.

 

U are talking about u dont find a need to buy class 2a, class 2 bikes for yourself... I'm talking about what people want and need to go touring comfortably on a bike like the nc700 class of bikes. Totally different. Needs and wants. By right everybody dont need a bike. Just ride bicycle or walk also can reach destination. But many people enjoy touring and wish to do it safer and less stressful than on a 2b bike.

 

Lets say u and ur wife go touring la. You rather let ur wife sit on a 2b bike and go through the backroads or malaysia while sometimes forced to use the NSHW going roadshoulder? Or use a bigger capacity bike and cruise wherever u want to go with more comfort?

 

alas, alas, alas...

 

1) did i say ride 80-90 on NSHW? PLEASE REREAD my post again...

 

2) did i tell others to ride on the road shoulder? PLEASE REREAD my post again...

 

3) i was the one "lamenting" about why they are making big bikes slower...i can ride both slow small bikes & big fast bikes, i don't want a big but yet slow bike......please REREAD my earlier posts again...

 

4) you are the one talking about "mature riders" & implied unimportance of "crotch rockets" ( your term not mine...REREAD YOUR OWN post )...

 

& your 'implied belief' of unimportance of speed & power...

 

5) i DID NOT derail the thread...REREAD YOUR OWN earlier posts please...

 

6) i DID NOT say all class 2 bikes are irrelevant...REREAD my EARLIER posts again...see my point #3 AGAIN...

 

7) btw, in case you misunderstand again...my point is again please reread pt#3...&

 

NOT that big bikes are unimportant...please reread, reread, reread...

 

 

edit: back to topic, so what is so "wrong" about another super4? i seriously doubt the new 400cc can match the old 400cc for those people who are interested in "speed"...

Edited April 1, 2013 by bruce71

[Oil Changer]

Sorry to chap one leg again ah, but i read hor.. u are the one contradicting leh. starting he say honda new bike but not powerful, but got market. You say no use, 2b bikes enuf le.

 

Then lim say big go fast and 2b bike go fast to compare the power and comfort. But u the one say travel 80-90 enough dont need to go 8k rpm in malaysia. again dont need to be faast.

 

After that the lim say use 2b bikes also can tour. But more dangerous and not comfortable. (which i really agree la) U are the one who said NSHW not autobahn and in malaysia, u stick to around 90 - 110 on their highways.. makes me wonder u got go far in malaysia with small bike b4 anot. Again i see ur point is u no need to go fast.

 

than u r last post u wrote: "riding slow makes me sleep thus putting me in more danger, so I ride relatively fast but relaxed. " relatively fast in comparison to MSia veh speed is around 150kp/h in my experience leh. If u ride 110 and go 3d lane, container trucks also doing that speed.

 

 

Either ur argument is for aguing sake or u dont have enough experience in touring. I am am also old man, will tell u uncle will prefer more relax bikes. honda new slower bikes is for us that prefer cbx250 or nighthawk250, phantom, this kind.

[Jehuty]

Sorry to chap one leg again ah, but i read hor.. u are the one contradicting leh. starting he say honda new bike but not powerful, but got market. You say no use, 2b bikes enuf le.

 

Then lim say big go fast and 2b bike go fast to compare the power and comfort. But u the one say travel 80-90 enough dont need to go 8k rpm in malaysia. again dont need to be faast.

 

After that the lim say use 2b bikes also can tour. But more dangerous and not comfortable. (which i really agree la) U are the one who said NSHW not autobahn and in malaysia, u stick to around 90 - 110 on their highways.. makes me wonder u got go far in malaysia with small bike b4 anot. Again i see ur point is u no need to go fast.

 

than u r last post u wrote: "riding slow makes me sleep thus putting me in more danger, so I ride relatively fast but relaxed. " relatively fast in comparison to MSia veh speed is around 150kp/h in my experience leh. If u ride 110 and go 3d lane, container trucks also doing that speed.

 

 

Either ur argument is for aguing sake or u dont have enough experience in touring. I am am also old man, will tell u uncle will prefer more relax bikes. honda new slower bikes is for us that prefer cbx250 or nighthawk250, phantom, this kind.

 

The relatively fast part is I say leh, I never say 2B bike enough, that's what I did when touring cuz I was following bigger bikes while I was on 2A, it was between 140 and 200, depending on traffic, nothing really to do about 2B,2A or 2, even 2B bikes I ride fast but for me 2A inline 4 is minimum.

[bruce71]

Sorry to chap one leg again ah, but i read hor.. u are the one contradicting leh. starting he say honda new bike but not powerful, but got market. You say no use, 2b bikes enuf le.

 

Then lim say big go fast and 2b bike go fast to compare the power and comfort. But u the one say travel 80-90 enough dont need to go 8k rpm in malaysia. again dont need to be faast.

 

After that the lim say use 2b bikes also can tour. But more dangerous and not comfortable. (which i really agree la) U are the one who said NSHW not autobahn and in malaysia, u stick to around 90 - 110 on their highways.. makes me wonder u got go far in malaysia with small bike b4 anot. Again i see ur point is u no need to go fast.

 

than u r last post u wrote: "riding slow makes me sleep thus putting me in more danger, so I ride relatively fast but relaxed. " relatively fast in comparison to MSia veh speed is around 150kp/h in my experience leh. If u ride 110 and go 3d lane, container trucks also doing that speed.

 

 

Either ur argument is for aguing sake or u dont have enough experience in touring. I am am also old man, will tell u uncle will prefer more relax bikes. honda new slower bikes is for us that prefer cbx250 or nighthawk250, phantom, this kind.

 

No offence, sir...but...

 

Before i go any further...i suggest you reread posts along WITH NAMES......

 

i am NOT ......"MR BIKER", am NOT "R1der", also am NOT " Jehuty"...etc...

 

REREAD! Don't understand, READ SLOWLY & think about what the points...without prejudice

 

you obviously misunderstood everything i said cause you did not read my posts with thinking about them......you have preconceived notions about my intentions & just ASSUME what i meant without actually first taking the time to understand my point...ie. point #3, alas how many times must i repeat?

btw, i am also above 40 & ride a "crotch rocket" everyday for work & leisure...

 

also if you can ride such "relax bikes" ( your term not mine )...so why can't anybody else ride even MORE "relax" ( slower )..it is like if someone tells you your bikes are too "relaxed" & you need hayabusa at least for malaysian highways...

 

EDIT:

on one hand, both of you say you don't need fast powerful bikes, dislike "crotch rockets", while on the other hand...you guys talk about being "too slow" when i point out there are many riders who CAN & know how to ride safe despite below the speed limit, sticking to the law...

 

probably because i prefer to ride alone with no pressure from faster bikes who go off at 180 & i am forced to keep up?

Edited April 2, 2013 by bruce71

[Jehuty]

Like I said lor, different people different strokes, imo more power better, want to run from stupid mat rempits need power or they'll catch up and kill you.

[squarebox]

I rather wait for the CBR500R

[MR BIKER]

I rather wait for the CBR500R

SQUAREBOX squarepant , your whole post make my whole day. first your avater (picture), my dream never realised second, your words quit riding when those you love cry. hahhahahahhahahha. now cbr 500r . no offence but we wait and see how the reception will be when it comes to shore.

[MR BIKER]

double post because i love the previous picture.

[ORen]

The 400X should be a great fit to tour the region. (and by touring I do not mean go to JB to makan or go to KL 2 times a year..)

The smaller the bike, the better the touring experience on the road in the region. What a bigger bike will give you in comfort, past the NSHW and some few roads in Thailand, anywhere else you will loose in manoeuvring, control, and weight management. Not to mention actual physical muscular (and heart) pain when you have to cross rivers, hop on trains etc. But then again, it's all a rider's choice and experience. I bet a few GS tourers here would rather stay home than not go on their GS touring

 

The 400X looks like a great choice for the region because it's not too heavy (

To further differentiate it from the rest of the series, some fog lights or hand-guards or even better, a main stand would have been nice.

 

Anyone knows what its dimensions are ? Couldn't find the exact info online yet. And any owner's review ? There are already a few riding it around SG