[Group] YAMAHA Fazer

[Pplater]

I'm just wondering.. how does the raceshield here protects the headlight? Minor scratches should be ok but will it stop the headlights from cracking when hit by the small stones? The headlight protectors are there as a layer of density but i doubt raceshield offers the same kind of protection.. correct me if I'm wrong..

 

i think its meant to hold up against flying small stones. that was what it was built for.

[DeusExMachina]

i think its meant to hold up against flying small stones. that was what it was built for.

 

What small stones? Those tiny pebbles? Or gravel sized stones? I don't think it will really hold up against those kinda stones. The film might be able to take it... but the shock of impact might still crack or shatter the glass behind.

 

What Munky meant was that... a regular pair of headlight protectors protects the headlights against not only small stones, but possibly large rocks as well because it is dense, thick and hard. Not to mention that, because of the 3M hard velcro mounts, there is also some space in between the headlights and the protectors to allow for compression and flexing after the hit.

 

A thin film mounted directly onto the glass face of the headlights will not be able to offer that level of protection should a dump truck happen to kick up a fist sized rock into your lights.

[Yatz86]

hm...think of it like raceshield is like contact lense, headlight protector is like spectacles =)

[innards]

your analogy would be rite, i think...

[DeusExMachina]

Think I'll stick with the specs just for the headlights.

 

But the Raceshield would be good for the rest for the fairing though. Will prevent chipping of the paintwork from all that road muck and pebbles.

[Pplater]

What small stones? Those tiny pebbles? Or gravel sized stones? I don't think it will really hold up against those kinda stones. The film might be able to take it... but the shock of impact might still crack or shatter the glass behind.

 

What Munky meant was that... a regular pair of headlight protectors protects the headlights against not only small stones, but possibly large rocks as well because it is dense, thick and hard. Not to mention that, because of the 3M hard velcro mounts, there is also some space in between the headlights and the protectors to allow for compression and flexing after the hit.

 

A thin film mounted directly onto the glass face of the headlights will not be able to offer that level of protection should a dump truck happen to kick up a fist sized rock into your lights.

 

ah good point... but for me, i don't even use either cause i can't be bothered. I'm more worried the stones hit me than hit the front of the bike. The rider cannot be repaired leh...

[DeusExMachina]

ah good point... but for me, i don't even use either. Can't be bothered. I'm more worried the stones hit me than hit the front of the bike. The rider cannot be repaired leh...

 

Your face/head is protected by your helmet. And your body is shielded by the windscreen. Your hands are covered by the hard kevlar knuckles of your glove, assuming you're wearing one.

 

Headlight systems aren't cheap. So it's best advised that you also get a protector. They do work. When I chucked my R1 into the gravel trap at PG, one of the headlight protectors cracked... my headlights were unscathed.

 

If you wanna prevent theft of the headlight protectors, you can always remove them and carry with you, or put it in your box when you park your bike. It only takes that little bit of effort.

[AR2 Performance]

I'm just wondering.. how does the raceshield here protects the headlight? Minor scratches should be ok but will it stop the headlights from cracking when hit by the small stones? The headlight protectors are there as a layer of density but i doubt raceshield offers the same kind of protection.. correct me if I'm wrong..

 

MuNkyFooT, you are not wrong, but 1/2 right your the above opinion. Our FAQs section (http://singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139399) attends to the above. Below is a very generalized explaination.

 

1) Properties of headlamp units

Modern lamp surfaces are now made of polycarbonate instead of glass. Polycarbonates in nature are very flexible (like helmet visors & windshields), which unlike glass which are extremely brittle, or acrylics (headlight protectors) which are also brittle. In fact normal acrylic cracks easily from stones, get blurred easily from scratches, reduces light intensity with time.

 

Try bending/stepping your visor & the usual headlight protector. See which cracks first. This is a very common illustration from motoworld on their polycarbonate MRA windshield. Same principle of properties illustration. Small stones as you mentioned is VERY difficult is crack your lamps.

 

That is the main reason why automobile have now all switched to polycarbonates. BUT the apparent issue of polycarbonates is that they are very vulnerable to "pittings" on its surface.

 

2) Film vs acrylic

On the move, anything that can be thrown by mother nature or stones/debri from the road by sticky tires in front, is of never substantial size (nothing more than 1/2" x 1/2" which is already very BIG). Why?

 

a) The weight of stones vs friction b/w tires & stones that picks them up when on the move.

b) A large stone being kicked up is almost next to impossible.

c) The velocity of the flying stone great diminishes with weight. So does the height of the projected stone in its trajectory.

 

Unless your bike is place directly behind a vehicle doing burnout in gravel, no fingers crossed required..

 

3) Event of crash

In the even of bad crashes (touchwood), acrylic protectors or RACEshield fitted, headlamps will break/crack depending on nature of crash. But when scrutineered deeper:-

 

a) normal protectors are velcro'ed on. Many cases the protector will take the impact & break, followed by it WILL definitely fall off.

 

b) You will not be able to fit back depending on the damage of your lamps. You can't even ride back at night with lights on when it rains.

 

For RACEshield, yes even if the lamps crack or break, RACEshield HOLDs it together to ensure you can ride back from long trips. Added benefit in case of the worst occurs.

 

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Hence RACEshield provides equivalent protection with added-values:

 

1) no obvious velcros to deter theft. In fact, how to steal when you cannot re-use

2) ease of cleaning

3) no need to replace like normal protectors when they crack

4) holds broken/cracked pieces to ride back safely

5) reduces "pittings" which can see easily on normal protectors.

6) reduces heat build up as opposed to normal protectors (explained in FAQ)

 

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More FAQs by the vast bikers so far -> http://singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139399

[CMYRS]

what about peeling, bubbling, yellowing of race shield?

will a replacement be done FOC?

 

race shield is still a fairly new product on the market.

how long is the warranty for?

[DeusExMachina]

Hmm... good info provided, Stan. I stand corrected.

 

So how much for a set for the new FZ1? Maybe the guys here would be interested.

[Xgrind]

How about MO?

[Yatz86]

your analogy would be rite, i think...

 

wah long time never hear that word...last time is my recruit tell me i like to give analogy=p

[Constructicon]

(Started this thread in the Accessories section, might tot of sharing you guys also)

 

Hi people,

 

thought of sharing some useful information with you guys.

For those who read the UK BIKE mag, you should already know what is coming.

 

I've listed down the short summary of the tyres reviews the BIKE mag did over these few months. Please do note these are basically based on the grip, feedback of the tyres. (Prices are quoted in UK pounds)

I suppose they will round up the tyres for a review again based on the tyre life also, as they mentioned a few issues ago. In the meantime, here is what I've compiled. Enjoy.

 

1000cc Sportsbike tyres

5 Stars

PIRELLI Diablo Rosso ($221)

"...quick steering, accurate, good on the brakes...etc. Just that bit sharper than the rest"

 

4 Stars

METZELER Sportec M3 ($206)

"Supposed to have longer tyre life and wet grip. Ace for stability"

 

DUNLOP Qualifier D209 (199)

"Ace rubber."

 

CONTINENTAL Contisport Attack ($190)

"Plenty of feel. Abit slower steering. Stable."

 

BRIDGESTONE BT016 ($229)

"Replacement for BT014. Feedback is total."

 

MICHELIN Pilot Power 2CT ($201)

"great feel from the front and they get right onto their sides..."

 

3 Stars

AVON Viper Sport ($175)

"Nice tyres, abit slower turning than some in the group, but still very good"

 

2 Stars

MAXXIS Supermaxx Sport ($140)

"No probs with handling, stability or agility. But heavier and slower to turn than the rest""

 

 

Sports Tourers

5 Stars

PIRELLI Diablo Strada ($180)

"loads of grip...perform perfectly"

 

DUNLOP Roadsmart 3TC ($180)

everything is very controlled...on par with PIRELLI...very sporty"

 

4 Stars

MAXXIS Supermaxx M6029 ($130)

"Budget option, but performance is close to others."

 

MICHELIN Pilot Road 2CT ($190)

"Fantastic. In all the areas-stability, confidence, feel & handling"

 

METZELER Roadtec Z6 ($190)

"Special emphasis on long life. Could take these tyres on the occasional trackday. "

 

BRIDGESTONE BT-021 ($170)

"Feel really stable, composed. Excellent sports potential and a competitive price"

 

AVON Storm ST ($180)

"Feel more like sports tyre than touring tyres. Very agile"

 

3 Stars

CONTINENTAL Contiroad Attack ($180)

"Lowest scoring tyre (among those tested) but still fone for normal riding"

 

 

Middle Weight

5 Stars

DUNLOP Roadsmart ($171)

"You will have to ride like a maniac on the road to find out the limits of these tyres" (DUNLOP suppose the tyre will last longer than the competitors in terms of tyre life)

 

4 Stars

BRIDGESTONE BT-021 ($189)

"Good, stable tyre. Felt quite plush, not soft, but they rode the bumps well"

 

AVON Viper Sport ($139)

"Need a little bit more effort to get them to do the same thing(as the other tyres), but we are talking at eighth or nine tenths here"

 

3 Stars

PIRELLI Diablo Rosso ($191)

Feels sportiest...but completely unnecessary for this type of bike. (Tested bike is Honda CBF600N. Like Super 4 lah!!!! )

 

MICHELIN Pilot Power ($189)

"Too sporty(for this bike). (I suppose they mean for normal road riders, it's pointless to use a sports tyre on a commuter bike)

 

CONTINENTAL Road Attack ($159)

"Feel stable and quiten slow to turn. Not bad, but overall not nearly as good as either the PIRELLIs or the DUNLOP"

[AR2 Performance]

hm...think of it like raceshield is like contact lense, headlight protector is like spectacles =)

 

hhmm nice example... someone used condom (http://loudexhaust.blogspot.com/2007/09/race-shield-as-good-as-new.html) to illustrate RACEshield lor

[AR2 Performance]

what about peeling, bubbling, yellowing of race shield?

will a replacement be done FOC?

 

race shield is still a fairly new product on the market.

how long is the warranty for?

 

Once installed properly, there should not be excess bubbling. Peeling & bubbling (issues due to installation) 1 week warranty. Go back to installer, 1-1 exchange only for installation issues.

 

Product warranty 5 years, against material defect of cracking, shrinking creeping, not covering damage from elements of the earth that is thrown onto it.

 

Yellowing is not under warranty. Any product of plastics/polymer/oil based has no warranty against yellowing (for the case of clear products) or color fading (foir the case of colored products). The reason is UV causes them to deteorate.

[maxxmadness]

looks like it gonna be a quiet national day..most of the culprits that pollute this thread are out riding up north

[Yatz86]

no wonder i cannot wake up...raining sia=)

[Xgrind]

Got rain meh?

[Speedpass]

Looks like onli northen part of SG raining . Down south need to be happening ltr , so protected against rain .

[anric79]

wish to upgrade from super4 to fazer 600 , but i heard new model coming next yr am i rite, any website to see the new model , any changes, and how the price???

[farish]

Look what i bought....

 

this reminds me of a car that i saw...

 

 

the car had a sticker which read something like " forget it u cunt"

 

 

Was wondering if the driver knows that Cunt means vagina and not a variation of the word can't..LOL

 

Prominently pasted on the left side of his rear vehicle......

[farish]

Looks like onli northen part of SG raining . Down south need to be happening ltr , so protected against rain .

 

Pasir ris also raining..basket ball i wana ride !!! but not in the rain

[Pplater]

Your face/head is protected by your helmet. And your body is shielded by the windscreen. Your hands are covered by the hard kevlar knuckles of your glove, assuming you're wearing one.

 

Headlight systems aren't cheap. So it's best advised that you also get a protector. They do work. When I chucked my R1 into the gravel trap at PG, one of the headlight protectors cracked... my headlights were unscathed.

 

If you wanna prevent theft of the headlight protectors, you can always remove them and carry with you, or put it in your box when you park your bike. It only takes that little bit of effort.

 

mmm... die die... modding is like poison... can never finish with the list... hopefully my number plate opens this weekend

[Yatz86]

wish to upgrade from super4 to fazer 600 , but i heard new model coming next yr am i rite, any website to see the new model , any changes, and how the price???

 

fz6 got 09 model meh, see from the uk website got only the r6 09 model with the big exhaust pipe by the side....

[AR2 Performance]

How about MO?

 

Hi Xgrind,

 

Kindly correct me if I did mis-interpret your above post.

 

If you are referring to MO for Fazer (fairing'ed) RACEshield headlamp kits only, yes it is available as follows:

 

Once the amount is transferred by your club/forum/group organiser or leader,

 

a) Upon confirmation of 12 kits, a 12% rebate/discount is available. (i.e S$57.80)

b) Upon confirmation of 18 kits, a 15% rebate/discount is available. (i.e S$56.00)

c) Upon confirmation of => 22 kits, a 18% rebate is available. (i.e S$54.20)

 

**NOTE:

1) rebates/discount does not include installation fee of S$5/-

2) final amount quoted includes installation

3) installation must be pre-arranged with us before heading down

4) have ready stocks for 2006~2008 Yamaha FZ1 Fazer (fairing model)

5) maximum installation of 3 bikes a day (recommended to come in groups of 3)