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was thinking of pilot road2 and diablo corsa III

 

any advice??

 

Hoiya Wait4me,

 

First off, I think your choice is kinda skewed since you are comparing 2 tryes from different classes.

 

The Michelin Pilot Road 2 is a tyre that sits in the Sport Touring category and was created to cater to riders who primarily do lotsa road mile, like touring and commuting. Its emphasis is on wet weather grip and durability.

 

The Pirelli Diablo Corsa 3 is a tyre that was designed for fast road riding, with an emphasis on dry grip and fast warm up times. The Pirelli Diablo (without the Corsa) is a road focused tyre. The "Corsa" word means "race", Geddit?

 

You should think about comparing the Michelin Pilot Road 2 with Pirelli's Diablo Strada, which are in the same category, or Metztelers Roadtec Z6.

 

On the other hand, Pirelli's Diablo Corsa 3 should be compared with Michelin's Pilot Power 2CT or Metzeler's Sport Tec M3.

 

On a personal note, I have a few friends that have run Michelins Powers in the past. They both love the tyre so much that they have become repeat buyers. One of them even did 5 or 6 trackdays on his 180 bhp K5, and sold it to another friend who used it for commuting and a trip to Cameron. Overall, its excellent.

 

Happy Hunting.

 

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Hoiya Non Stop Racing,

 

Pilot Road 2 was never designed for track use. Its a mile muncher.

 

The minimum I would recommend for Track use would be the Michelin Power / Power 2CT or Metzeler Sport Tec M3 or Pirelli Diablo Corsa 3.

 

These tryes were made with track use taken into consideration.

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

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Hoiya Wait4me,

 

First off, I think your choice is kinda skewed since you are comparing 2 tryes from different classes.

 

The Michelin Pilot Road 2 is a tyre that sits in the Sport Touring category and was created to cater to riders who primarily do lotsa road mile, like touring and commuting. Its emphasis is on wet weather grip and durability.

 

The Pirelli Diablo Corsa 3 is a tyre that was designed for fast road riding, with an emphasis on dry grip and fast warm up times. The Pirelli Diablo (without the Corsa) is a road focused tyre. The "Corsa" word means "race", Geddit?

 

You should think about comparing the Michelin Pilot Road 2 with Pirelli's Diablo Strada, which are in the same category, or Metztelers Roadtec Z6.

 

On the other hand, Pirelli's Diablo Corsa 3 should be compared with Michelin's Pilot Power 2CT or Metzeler's Sport Tec M3.

 

On a personal note, I have a few friends that have run Michelins Powers in the past. They both love the tyre so much that they have become repeat buyers. One of them even did 5 or 6 trackdays on his 180 bhp K5, and sold it to another friend who used it for commuting and a trip to Cameron. Overall, its excellent.

 

Happy Hunting.

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

 

 

oh now i know ..

thank u very much sir

been using 2ct for more on road and miledge, as for track not so hard core ..

so was thinking of the corsa III

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Hoiya,

 

Just trying to help, No worries.

 

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Hartholomew Mamola

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Reviews on Continental Sport-attack & Maxxis Supertrap tyres

 

Suitable for ocassiocal track use ? or miles tyre.

 

forget the review ..read some where long ago , they were budget tyres which were good value for money

 

currently running on BT014 ....can go track use ?/?

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Reviews on Continental Sport-attack & Maxxis Supertrap tyres

 

Suitable for ocassiocal track use ? or miles tyre.

 

forget the review ..read some where long ago , they were budget tyres which were good value for money

 

currently running on BT014 ....can go track use ?/?

 

Can... but just gotta watch out if you are one of those who push hard on the tracks.

 

BT014s tend to heat up real fast and then overheat and lose their grip.

Seen too many BT014 shodded bikes go down without warning in my track days.

 

Disclaimer : BT014 fans and distributors... please don't take it personally. I am only stating the facts from what I have personally seen. Peace.

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Can... but just gotta watch out if you are one of those who push hard on the tracks.

 

BT014s tend to heat up real fast and then overheat and lose their grip.

Seen too many BT014 shodded bikes go down without warning in my track days.

 

Disclaimer : BT014 fans and distributors... please don't take it personally. I am only stating the facts from what I have personally seen. Peace.

 

I think for newbies on the track, BT-014 or touring tyres would be a better choice because they heat up real fast. Better to have them heat up real fast than to use race tyres which will never get up to temperature when not ridden hard enough.

 

I'm a noob, so I go track on street tyres, with street pressures. ie. 34/36PSI.

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Can... but just gotta watch out if you are one of those who push hard on the tracks.

 

BT014s tend to heat up real fast and then overheat and lose their grip.

Seen too many BT014 shodded bikes go down without warning in my track days.

 

Disclaimer : BT014 fans and distributors... please don't take it personally. I am only stating the facts from what I have personally seen. Peace.

 

thanks thanks..salute the guru..u sheer have loads of experience. Not to worry...i don push at all at track:angel: ...juz go there, have fun laughter and see some "top notch" guys in action. i basically go "rounding at track". Safety is most IMPORTANT

 

I think for newbies on the track, BT-014 or touring tyres would be a better choice because they heat up real fast. Better to have them heat up real fast than to use race tyres which will never get up to temperature when not ridden hard enough.

 

I'm a noob, so I go track on street tyres, with street pressures. ie. 34/36PSI.

 

thanks thanks ! ...cheers to all...was juz fishing out some information

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any1 got any tips on wat setting should i set my tyres if my tyre is dunlop sportmax n my ride is 600cc...for track setting...

 

bang...its been long since i go track. BUT advise is to try yourself ..feel & experience. Pple can give u advise, ultimately its you and your machine.

 

Different bike different settings...brakes, tyres, Hp, lean angle of rider, rider skills etc etc.....

 

try with a average guideline for the psi setting and adjust accordingly. However safety 1st bro.... don't push when testing tyre or you just change another brand of tyres.

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Reviews on Continental Sport-attack & Maxxis Supertrap tyres

 

Suitable for ocassiocal track use ? or miles tyre.

 

forget the review ..read some where long ago , they were budget tyres which were good value for money

 

currently running on BT014 ....can go track use ?/?

 

I used to use the BT014 on track. Like what others says, Yup it can overheat quite fast. After a long term of using it on track often and always overheat the tyres, it tends to lose its grip. I suppose BT014 is 30%Track and 70%Road.

 

If you ride often in Singapore and go to Track occasionally, 3 to 5 times a month, i would advise to use either the Michellin Power 2CT or Pirrelli Diablo Corsa III. I'm currently using Corsa III. I like them.

 

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Pardon me for my knowledge and experience is little, but I always wonder whats with all the fuss when we are not even going fast enough or doing enough laps to overheat the tyres. I think any decent set of tyres with proper warming up and psi should suffices.

Why four strokes when all you need is two?

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The whole fuss is because that's the only 2 contact points between us and the asphalt. If pocket permits, race tyres are the best deal because they are more forgiving in a mistake.

 

The main problem with overheating on street tyres is likely due to pressure set too low. 30/30 is a good guide to race tyres, but I dare say not every street tyres should run 30/30 in the tracks. The larger contact patch simply encourage "adnormal heating" on these fast to warm up street tyres.

 

Try searching on the web for more info on the specific tyre model for the recommended pressure.

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The whole fuss is because that's the only 2 contact points between us and the asphalt. If pocket permits, race tyres are the best deal because they are more forgiving in a mistake.

 

The main problem with overheating on street tyres is likely due to pressure set too low. 30/30 is a good guide to race tyres, but I dare say not every street tyres should run 30/30 in the tracks. The larger contact patch simply encourage "adnormal heating" on these fast to warm up street tyres.

 

Try searching on the web for more info on the specific tyre model for the recommended pressure.

 

 

u are right hil,

 

try 31/30 on the conti and is sucks after 2 laps....but it will work if you set at 36/35:angel: Some street tires can't run so low psi, once it over heat u will be sliding around (bear in mind , i'm a super slow rider)

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I'm currently using Corsa III, PSI at 32/32(cold). So far it feels secure at turns. My tyres do have those rubber peeling of at the corners, but i dont think its overheating. i'll only slide out if i accelerate hard and early. Slides especially at turn 5, becuz of the up and down slope. Ive tried 34/34 before, i dont get much of that rubber peeling off, and i dont really feel like the tyres are gripping the track propoerly.

 

How do u know if ur tyres are overheating?

Suddenly i'm getting confused. If a fast rider rides harder than a slow rider, what should his(fast rider) PSI reading be, compared to the other? It should be lower than slower rider correct?? becuz the fast rider can get the tyres hotter and to bring up the PSI... becuz for a lower PSI tyre, if a slow rider was to use it, it will overheat faster due to a lower PSI pressure which he cant build up, which can cause sliding easily. Am i saying this correctly?

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I'm currently using Corsa III, PSI at 32/32(cold). So far it feels secure at turns. My tyres do have those rubber peeling of at the corners, but i dont think its overheating. i'll only slide out if i accelerate hard and early. Slides especially at turn 5, becuz of the up and down slope. Ive tried 34/34 before, i dont get much of that rubber peeling off, and i dont really feel like the tyres are gripping the track propoerly.

 

How do u know if ur tyres are overheating?

Suddenly i'm getting confused. If a fast rider rides harder than a slow rider, what should his(fast rider) PSI reading be, compared to the other? It should be lower than slower rider correct?? becuz the fast rider can get the tyres hotter and to bring up the PSI... becuz for a lower PSI tyre, if a slow rider was to use it, it will overheat faster due to a lower PSI pressure which he cant build up, which can cause sliding easily. Am i saying this correctly?

 

There was an aritcle about Pirelli recommending Diablo Corsa to be run at 34F 36R in the tracks because it was designed to be used at such pressure. YOu have to search a few pages back here to find that article.

 

Actually, dun mind if I said this, but by right, if we are not riding in the 1.50s and below timing, we should not be sliding the tyres. But of course, riders doing 1.50s and below are mostly on race tyres, less some talented few who managed to go faster than 1.50s without race tyres.

 

Remember that Diablo Corsa though is trackday tyres, it is still more suited for street rather than a race purposed race tyres like Pirelli SuperCorsa SC or Diablo SuperCorsa SC. Therefore, the lower the pressure for faster riders theory do not work on tyres like Diablo Corsa which has high silica to aid in fast warm up. Take note that street/trackdays tyres dun hold well long on those extreme heat, unlike race tyres which are designed to be.

 

At 34/36, the Diablo Corsa looks pretty the way it was worn. Let me show you the ContiForce Max after PG on 34/36 PSI last year. I dun have pics for Diablo Corsa because I dun have money to buy digital camera then :lol:

 

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Ah, found the article....It's up to you to believe. The 34/36 PSI for ContiForce Max is via a tech email I got from Continental.

 

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Actually, dun mind if I said this, but by right, if we are not riding in the 1.50s and below timing, we should not be sliding the tyres.

 

Finally someone who speaks my mind. We Singaporeans are just rich.

Why four strokes when all you need is two?

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i run powerace 32psi on my front tyre n i lose my front end grip @ turn 5... my front juz giv way.... my last practice i run 28psi n it grip like crazy....

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I'm currently in the 1.55s-2.00

I'll try adjusting my pressure and see how it goes.

Thanks.

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i run powerace 32psi on my front tyre n i lose my front end grip @ turn 5... my front juz giv way.... my last practice i run 28psi n it grip like crazy....

 

28psi.. that seems low? will it actually grip better?

I knew some1 who also low side at turn 5. lost the front too.

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currently running on BT014 ....can go track use ?/?

good luck to u - in UK the review for this tyre was very good.....i know alot of people who have crashed using these tyres....in pg

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28psi.. that seems low? will it actually grip better?

I knew some1 who also low side at turn 5. lost the front too.

 

i had a good feel of my front wif dat pressure........ but i wont recommend for others...:cool:

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i run powerace 32psi on my front tyre n i lose my front end grip @ turn 5... my front juz giv way.... my last practice i run 28psi n it grip like crazy....

 

Come to think of it, I almost lost my front on T8. I think it is rider problem for my case as I downshift before that turn. I believed I upset the bike due to poor techniques. It was pretty scary. I used 30/30 on PowerRace Med/Soft. After that I was on Pirelli SC and Diablo SC which I really like, just like Metzeller RT.

 

For our skill levels, it is pretty hard to be sure what exactly went wrong.

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