PSB sticker helmet

[ha_pig]

hi all, just wan 2 find out izzit a must 2 have a psb sticker??

 

any bro out there got ever kanna fine becoz of this??

 

thanks... :smile:

[Guest NPNT]

Must!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tourer]

If you are talking about whether you will break a regulation by not wearing a helmet with PSB sticker, yes.

[B20]

i had heard of pple kanna summon for wearing helmet without PSB sticker...

they dun go by the brand of ur helmet... but by the sticker

[FuLL of SoRRoW]

Originally posted by ha_pig@March 28, 2007 10:26 pm

hi all, just wan 2 find out izzit a must 2 have a psb sticker??

 

any bro out there got ever kanna fine becoz of this??

 

thanks... :smile:

tink abt this...

 

choi lah

u ride a helmet without the sticker..

u have an accident

got head injury

insurance wont cover

and then u kena saman....

 

how..?

still wanna use helmet free of psb sticker?

[ashzibit_69]

Originally posted by FuLL of SoRRoW@March 28, 2007 11:45 pm

tink abt this...

 

choi lah

u ride a helmet without the sticker..

u have an accident

got head injury

insurance wont cover

and then u kena saman....

 

how..?

still wanna use helmet free of psb sticker?

Aiyah .. this "arguement" have been going on for long liao. If you think that if you WILL get into accident, then a PSB helmet will "save" you insurance wise. But to say that a $400+ Arai helmet is not as safe as a $40 GPR (PSB approved) helmet is rubbish.

 

At the end of the day, its the rider not the helmet he wears that ensures a safe journey. PSB or no PSB.

[SimplyMe]

to be safe..juz follow the rules and wear helmet with PSB sticker lo..got nothing to lose ma..

[ChopStick]

I think its better to wear those with PSB than those without.

[pyro13]

yes must have..

 

if i am not wrong, once u peel off the sticker from any helmet, its considered void

 

correct me if i am wrong

[Strong Eagle]

So... why don't Arai helmets have a PSB sticker? Bought mine at 219... really a great helmet... Snell and all that... but no PSB.

 

So how?

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by Strong Eagle@March 29, 2007 01:36 pm

So... why don't Arai helmets have a PSB sticker? Bought mine at 219... really a great helmet... Snell and all that... but no PSB.

 

So how?

thats because 219 never sent the arai helmet for testing with the PSB.

 

It means extra costs for the distributor. which are incidently passed on to the consumers if they did.

 

got any old cheapo helmet with a PSB sticker? use hair dryer blow dry it, peel it off and stick onto your arai lor.

 

dont tell anyone i tell you to do that hor.

[Zkia]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@March 29, 2007 02:14 pm

thats because 219 never sent the arai helmet for testing with the PSB.

 

It means extra costs for the distributor. which are incidently passed on to the consumers if they did.

 

got any old cheapo helmet with a PSB sticker? use hair dryer blow dry it, peel it off and stick onto your arai lor.

 

dont tell anyone i tell you to do that hor.

No use.. cause got Batch Number of Inspect. U cant CHeat them

[Tourer]

Originally posted by Z^^kia@March 29, 2007 04:19 pm

No use.. cause got Batch Number of Inspect. U cant CHeat them

True, but I doubt the ROV/LTA personnel bothers to stop you and check for your PSB sticker. You just have to transfer the sticker and avoid yourself from being stopped, the TP isn't bothered with such stuff usually.

[Tourer]

Originally posted by Strong Eagle@March 29, 2007 01:36 pm

So... why don't Arai helmets have a PSB sticker? Bought mine at 219... really a great helmet... Snell and all that... but no PSB.

 

So how?

Just use it.

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by DeathInc2004@March 29, 2007 12:13 am

Aiyah .. this "arguement" have been going on for long liao. If you think that if you WILL get into accident, then a PSB helmet will "save" you insurance wise. But to say that a $400+ Arai helmet is not as safe as a $40 GPR (PSB approved) helmet is rubbish.

 

At the end of the day, its the rider not the helmet he wears that ensures a safe journey. PSB or no PSB.

that's not the point of the prev. msg. True, the 400 dollar (or for that matter, 800 dollar) helmet prob ably can better protect your head than the cheapo ah boy helmet that has sticker. BUT if u kena accident n head injury, and u want to claim insurance for that, you might face problems cos of ur use of a non-approved helmet.

 

So wat's the moral? buy good AND approved helmet

[Tourer]

Originally posted by jkaiser@March 29, 2007 04:41 pm

that's not the point of the prev. msg. True, the 400 dollar (or for that matter, 800 dollar) helmet prob ably can better protect your head than the cheapo ah boy helmet that has sticker. BUT if u kena accident n head injury, and u want to claim insurance for that, you might face problems cos of ur use of a non-approved helmet.

 

So wat's the moral? buy good AND approved helmet

I second your advice. But being a HJC fan, Motoworld doesn't send their helmets for PSB inspection.

 

Is it possible for us to send our own helmets for PSB approval/inspection instead? I believe there should be a venue for us to do this, I mean, what will happen to our imported ARAIs? There should be a way, anyone?

[keratsini]

Originally posted by Strong Eagle@March 29, 2007 01:36 pm

So... why don't Arai helmets have a PSB sticker? Bought mine at 219... really a great helmet... Snell and all that... but no PSB.

 

So how?

If a helmet is of a well established company Traffic Police will not bother. I've been stoped once with Nolan 102N they (TP) did not even bother about PSB sticker. However if you have a low grade helmet then you might face problem. The whole idea of PSB stickers is to ensure that the helmets sold here are safe. There are many of low grade helemts out there that offer no protection.

 

Therefore in order to avoid confusion which helmet is safe they have imposed the PSB sticker.

 

Is a move that I personally support. Rock bottom is that if you buy a good helmet without PSB is very unlikely to be fined.

[keratsini]

Originally posted by Strong Eagle@March 29, 2007 01:36 pm

So... why don't Arai helmets have a PSB sticker? Bought mine at 219... really a great helmet... Snell and all that... but no PSB.

 

So how?

If a helmet is of a well established company Traffic Police will not bother. I've been stoped once with Nolan 102N they (TP) did not even bother about PSB sticker. However if you have a low grade helmet then you might face problem. The whole idea of PSB stickers is to ensure that the helmets sold here are safe. There are many of low grade helemts out there that offer no protection.

 

Therefore in order to avoid confusion which helmet is safe they have imposed the PSB sticker.

 

Is a move that I personally support. Rock bottom is that if you buy a good helmet without PSB is very unlikely to be fined.

[BlackDawn]

Originally posted by Tourer@March 29, 2007 05:19 pm

I second your advice. But being a HJC fan, Motoworld doesn't send their helmets for PSB inspection.

 

Is it possible for us to send our own helmets for PSB approval/inspection instead? I believe there should be a venue for us to do this, I mean, what will happen to our imported ARAIs? There should be a way, anyone?

I believe they do destructive testing. So if PSB are willing to do tests for private owners, you'll probably have to provide them with 2 helmets. They'll destroy one of them, then (if pass), maybe give you a sticker for the other

[ganman]

Originally posted by kiamh@March 29, 2007 11:48 pm

I believe they do destructive testing. So if PSB are willing to do tests for private owners, you'll probably have to provide them with 2 helmets. They'll destroy one of them, then (if pass), maybe give you a sticker for the other

Extract from Cap 276 (Road Traffic Act)

 

Drivers and pillion riders of motor cycles to wear protective helmets

74. —(1) Every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle shall wear securely on his head a protective helmet of a type approved by the Minister.

 

(2) No person shall import, sell or offer for sale or have in his possession for sale any protective helmet which is not of a type approved by the Minister.

[7/90]

 

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $200.

 

(4) Any person who contravenes subsection (2) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

[ganman]

A FAQ from TP's web regarding tinted visors... Points 5 & 6 with regards to helmets which are unapproved.

 

 

 

4. I just bought a new helmet with some tint; how do I know if the visor is within the law regulations?

 

You may check with the retailer whom you bought the helmet from. All retailers must also comply with the law.

 

 

5. Can I get a refund if the helmet I bought is not within the regulations?

 

You would have to check with the shop that sold the helmet. Nonetheless, it is an offence for the retailer to sell any helmet that is unapproved. You may provide the particulars of the retailer to Traffic Police for investigation pertaining to the sale of unapproved helmets.

 

 

6. Is TP checking the suppliers to ensure that the helmets they bring in, and which we subsequently buy, are within the law regulations?

 

TP will conduct spot checks on the retailers if information is received of an illegal sale. Any retailer found flouting the law would be charged in court.

 

 

7. Does the officer have to bring my helmet to LTA inspection centre if my visor is suspected of flouting the new rule?

 

No, the officer will be able to determine on the spot the light transmittance of the visor using a tint meter.

[ashzibit_69]

Originally posted by jkaiser@March 29, 2007 04:41 pm

that's not the point of the prev. msg. True, the 400 dollar (or for that matter, 800 dollar) helmet prob ably can better protect your head than the cheapo ah boy helmet that has sticker. BUT if u kena accident n head injury, and u want to claim insurance for that, you might face problems cos of ur use of a non-approved helmet.

 

So wat's the moral? buy good AND approved helmet

The point I was trying to get across is that it seems that most people worry about getting a PSB helmet as if they are always expecting an accident to happen to them. Like the army, "what ever you do, cover your a** first". I

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by DeathInc2004@March 30, 2007 01:20 am

The point I was trying to get across is that it seems that most people worry about getting a PSB helmet as if they are always expecting an accident to happen to them. Like the army, "what ever you do, cover your a** first". I

unfortunately i agree with you on that problem. However most Arai are approved i think, my nolan n102 is approved. So it's not a matter of not having enough options. However if one chooses to wear Shoei or HJC, he must be prepared for the legal consequences in cases where he has to make claims. Note that the insurance company being a profit-driven company, would definitely exploit this point in order to reduce their payout.

 

Another thing, don't see DOT and think that its better than PSB hor.. As far as i remember, the really kilat test is SNELL.. Not sure if they approving flipups or not, but prev. u only see fullfaces with snell.

[Arcfire]

Originally posted by jkaiser@March 30, 2007 03:01 am

unfortunately i agree with you on that problem. However most Arai are approved i think, my nolan n102 is approved. So it's not a matter of not having enough options. However if one chooses to wear Shoei or HJC, he must be prepared for the legal consequences in cases where he has to make claims. Note that the insurance company being a profit-driven company, would definitely exploit this point in order to reduce their payout.

 

Another thing, don't see DOT and think that its better than PSB hor.. As far as i remember, the really kilat test is SNELL.. Not sure if they approving flipups or not, but prev. u only see fullfaces with snell.

Flip ups are considered as normal open face helmets.

 

The point is, how do they determine whether a helmet is safe or not? Compare an Arai open face and a normal brand open face, are they equally safe? Is a non approved arai anywhere less safe than a gpr open face? If GPR helmets can pass, then almost any other even slightly branded helmets would pass with no problems.

 

The problem here is that it is too costly to send the helmets for inspection. A few helmets have to be destroyed per batch that you send to them. This increases the costs greatly. I remember the shop ower telling me it costs a few thousand to send for inspection. Add in the destroyed helmet, unless you import by the hundreds to thousands, the cost will add up significantly, thus ending up with the buyer having to pay a few hundreds more since they don't import in bulk. Not very economical.

 

Also, branded helmets with approved stickers are slowly decreasing due to the costs involved. Shoei used to be approved as well... now they don't bother sending for approval either. We are ultimately left with lesser choices on approved branded helmets to choose from.

 

Either way we lose out, so its up to the individual to decide whether he wants a piece of mind or assurance that he'll be able to claim for a head trauma injury or assurance that a good non-approved helmet would prevent that injury in the 1st place.

[Strong Eagle]

Well, it seems to me that there needs to be a bit more research. The regulations posted earlier say that it is illegal for a shop to sell a helmet that is not approved.

 

Thus, if 219 is selling Arai's without a PSB sticker it means one of two things:

 

a) They are illegally selling helmets... hard to believe considering that they have been around for a while, are associated with the store around the corner and are well known, or

 

b) The helmet is approved but not tested. Perhaps an Arai or a Shoei is automatically on the approved list because of brand and its Snell designation. Perhaps only helmets without DOT or Snell actually need to be tested in order to be approved.

 

Anyone know where to get a list of "approved" helmets?