Honda 400X

[PenangKia]

Hi guys, here's starting a discussion on the new Honda 400X which is already here in Singapore :-)

 

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/medium/honda-unveils-the-new-400cc-bikes-medium_1.jpg

Here are some specs from Honda's Japanese website: http://www.honda.co.jp/400X/spec/#spec

 

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[TD=align: left]400X[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Vehicle name & model[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Honda · EBL-NC47[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Total length (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]2,085[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Overall width (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]830[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Height (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]1,235[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Wheelbase (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]1,410[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Ground clearance (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]145[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Seat height (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]795[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Weight (kg)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]192 [194][/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Riding Capacity (people)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Two[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Fuel consumption rate (km / L)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]39.7 (60km / h fixed area traveling test value)[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Minimum turning radius (m)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]2.7[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Engine type[/TH]

[TD=align: left]NC47E[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Engine Type[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Two-cylinder water-cooled 4-stroke DOHC4 valve series[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Total displacement (cm 3 )[/TH]

[TD=align: left]399[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Inner diameter × stroke (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]67.0 × 56.6[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Compression ratio[/TH]

[TD=align: left]11.0[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Maximum output (kW [PS] / rpm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]34 [46] / 9,500[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Maximum torque (N · m [kgf · m] / rpm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]37 [3.8] / 7,500[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Fuel supply device format[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Electronic [/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Starting method[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Self-service[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Ignition device format[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Full transistor battery ignition[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Lubricating method[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Pumped splash combination formula[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Fuel tank capacity (L)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]17[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Clutch type[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Type coil spring wet multi-plate[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Transmission format[/TH]

[TD=align: left]-Mesh 6-speed return at all times[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Gear ratio first gear[/TH]

[TD=align: left]3.285[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]2-speed gear ratio[/TH]

[TD=align: left]2.105[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]3-speed gear ratio[/TH]

[TD=align: left]1.600[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]4-speed gear ratio[/TH]

[TD=align: left]1.300[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Gear ratio 5-speed[/TH]

[TD=align: left]1.150[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Gear ratio 6-speed[/TH]

[TD=align: left]1.043[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Reduction ratio (primary / secondary)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]2.029/3.000[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Caster angle (degrees)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]25 ° 55 '[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Trail amount (mm)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]105[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Tire (front)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]120/70ZR17M/C (58W)[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Tire (rear)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]160/60ZR17M/C (69W)[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Brake type (front)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Hydraulic disc[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Brake (rear)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Hydraulic disc[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Suspension (front)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Telescopic[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Suspension (rear)[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Swing arm (Pro-Link)[/TD]

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[TH=bgcolor: #EAEAEA, align: left]Frame format[/TH]

[TD=align: left]Diamond[/TD]

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[anger]

wonder why cb400 horse power=46 and nc700x =50. almost 300cc diff yet only 4hp diff...

[jjongkp]

Very commuter looking...

[revhappy]

wonder why cb400 horse power=46 and nc700x =50. almost 300cc diff yet only 4hp diff...

 

Look at the torque figures. NC700X is 62NM at 4750RPM. That is massive amount of torque at such low RPM.

If you compare this with FZ6 which is an inline 4, has max power of 90BHP but torque is same 63NM but comes at much much higher RPM of 10,000.

 

I guess if you want massive torque at lower RPMs you sacrifice the HP.

 

Here is a nice article that tells, it is torque figures that are important and HP:

 

http://www.msgroup.org/tip.aspx?num=221

Edited August 18, 2013 by revhappy

[PenangKia]

Very commuter looking...

 

Should be in a new category - tourer-commuter

[PenangKia]

A link to the English manual of the CB500X - nearly identical except for the different displacement / bore: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwmYWlzMWkPhN0ZENlhGbGRfWnc/edit?pli=1

[Chicken Hung Heng]

Going to survey ard soon... damn tempting....

[Pizzaboy]

Speedway brought in 20 units to test water, all sold-out less than a mth. Gotta pre-order if interested & wait for next batch shipment.

[SC Gaban]

very tempting indeed.

 

gentle reminder who like to install accessories on their new bikes. ask the shop first whether the warranty be voided if any stock parts are replaced with your desired parts/accessories or any additional parts u added. some shops do this.

[SC Gaban]

Speedway brought in 20 units to test water, all sold-out less than a mth. Gotta pre-order if interested & wait for next batch shipment.

 

they test water or test market?

[736cc]

Speedway brought in 20 units to test water, all sold-out less than a mth. Gotta pre-order if interested & wait for next batch shipment.

 

Wow. That is fast. That is the reason why bike Coe is high now. Bike sell like a hot cake in sg

[SC Gaban]

may i know wat eo used? fully syn or semi syn?

[thechosenx]

Whaaaa got Akrapovic for 500x

 

I hope it comes to Singapore for 400x

 

http://www.akrapovic.com/en/Motorcycle/Products/Pages/Product.aspx?BrandId=7eb20b7b-271c-47b2-b9ab-b3c94fbe56e4&ModelId=959225ab-51e2-4714-a3c1-8909f5775906&ModelYearId=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&ProductId=14243&ProductFilter=Active&DisplayName=Honda%20CB+500X%20S-H5SO2-HRC+Slip-On+Line+(Carbon)

[ORen]

may i know wat eo used? fully syn or semi syn?

 

As you know for break in usually should go with mineral or semi syn. Later on the 500X riders in other countries seem to prefer fully syn, usually 10W30 or 10W40.

[PenangKia]

jyew777 --> for cases you can try Hepco. They make very robust racks and cases which come with well-designed mounting points. My preference by far. They may not be the prettiest, but you can count on the Germans to make a well-thought of, quality product. They also do nice engine and tank protection as well, just bloody expensive. Some "poisonous" pics for your reference:

http://www.motorcycleadventure.com.au/shop/image/data/GeneralBikes/honda_cb500x_hepco_becker.jpghttp://www.motorcycleadventure.com.au/shop/image/cache/data/manufacturer/HepcoBecker/Luggage/Xplorer/cb500x_hepco_becker_xplorer_black_w-500x500.JPG

Agree that many may think a top-case ruins the look etc, but by far it is the most convenient from a commuting perspective. Lugging around gear may not be ideal for many. In my opinion, the adventure look goes well with a top-case, but I'd just checked out a Diavel with a top-case which I may actually consider getting perhaps in a year or two. Well, one man's meat another man's poison - for me as long as it makes it easier for me to ride, it's two thumbs up for me!

[anger]

Look at the torque figures. NC700X is 62NM at 4750RPM. That is massive amount of torque at such low RPM.

If you compare this with FZ6 which is an inline 4, has max power of 90BHP but torque is same 63NM but comes at much much higher RPM of 10,000.

 

I guess if you want massive torque at lower RPMs you sacrifice the HP.

 

Here is a nice article that tells, it is torque figures that are important and HP:

 

http://www.msgroup.org/tip.aspx?num=221

 

very physics ah! but anyway thanks alot bro. one lesson learnt!. thanks:thumb:

[thechosenx]

As you know for break in usually should go with mineral or semi syn. Later on the 500X riders in other countries seem to prefer fully syn' date=' usually 10W30 or 10W40.[/quote']

 

I would use fully syn for my break-in, i just dun find any advantage from using mineral oils. Just my personal view

[danielb]

I would use fully syn for my break-in, i just dun find any advantage from using mineral oils. Just my personal view

 

while i do not believe in the traditional run-in.

i will send my bike down to race-werks for a hard-run in on the dyno.

 

Been doing hard run in for my cars and bikes since i own them.

All swee swee.

 

Run-In Secrets

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

[danielb]

whaaaa got akrapovic for 500x

 

I hope it comes to singapore for 400x

 

http://www.akrapovic.com/en/motorcycle/products/pages/product.aspx?brandid=7eb20b7b-271c-47b2-b9ab-b3c94fbe56e4&modelid=959225ab-51e2-4714-a3c1-8909f5775906&modelyearid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&productid=14243&productfilter=active&displayname=honda%20cb+500x%20s-h5so2-hrc+slip-on+line+(carbon)

 

 

sexy or not!

[PenangKia]

I would use fully syn for my break-in, i just dun find any advantage from using mineral oils. Just my personal view

 

Perhaps a little out-of-topic, but this is what Shell advises when breaking in the engine of airplanes: http://www.shell.com/global/products-services/solutions-for-businesses/aviation/aeroshell/knowledge-centre/technical-talk/techart08-30071255.html

 

If your engine has recently been overhauled, or is new, then you should "Break-In" your engine using straight mineral oils.

When a cylinder is new the inner wall surface is not smooth as might be imagined. The objective of the break-in procedure is to rub off any high spots, both on the cylinder wall and the piston rings, so that the rings can create a tight gas seal for normal operation. This requires the piston ring to break through the oil film and allow a certain amount of metal-to-metal contact between the components. Once this matching has occurred the break-in is considered to be complete and very little contact will occur thereafter.

[propeller]

Was at Looi's after lunch hour.

Don't see no 400X. Main salesperson wasn't around.

[thechosenx]

while i do not believe in the traditional run-in.

i will send my bike down to race-werks for a hard-run in on the dyno.

 

Been doing hard run in for my cars and bikes since i own them.

All swee swee.

 

Run-In Secrets

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

 

What's the price for a hard run-in from racewerks?

[rock n roll]

while i do not believe in the traditional run-in.

i will send my bike down to race-werks for a hard-run in on the dyno.

 

Been doing hard run in for my cars and bikes since i own them.

All swee swee.

 

Run-In Secrets

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

 

How much does they charge for dyno run?

[rock n roll]

Do like the page at FB CB 400 X SG

[ORen]

I would use fully syn for my break-in, i just dun find any advantage from using mineral oils. Just my personal view

 

Ehm, as much as I don;t usually go into the debate of hard break in vs soft, I do believe it is very important the oil is mineral or at least semi. You know, little particles of metals floating around and all that new engine getting itchy needing as little oil resistance to get into scratching mode.. But you most certainly have more experience in this than me if you've owned several bikes and tested it, I just write what I read over the years