[Blogs] Today while riding...

[frozenpenguins]

  lollibear said:

This morning while riding to work, saw something unusual and wished I had a cam to show.

 

Was lanesplitting between lane 1 n 2, when 2 cars were closed in and I stopped as couldnt squeeze through. Kup behind me didnt wanna wait, hence weaved into the lane 2, wanted to lanesplit between lane 2 n 3. Just as he was about to move into the lanesplit, I heard a loud "Heeeeeey!". Turned around curiously, and saw a caucasian riding a bicycle lanesplitting between lane 2 n 3, and the kup almost banged into him as he didnt check. While the caucasian was riding past, this was what I heard him shout: "I'm teaching you, you've gotta f**king look!" all the while pointing at the kup rider. End up the kup just let him pass and rode behind him.

 

My thoughts: Both at fault here I guess. Cyclist should never be lanesplitting (correct me if I'm wrong). While the kup also didnt check clear before proceeding to lanesplit. However if it was a motorcycle instead of the bicycle, the kup might have been able to notice due to the headlights and size.

 

Any thoughts?

 

agreed... the kup should've checked clear and the ang moh was being a noob...

[duo]

  lollibear said:

This morning while riding to work, saw something unusual and wished I had a cam to show.

 

Was lanesplitting between lane 1 n 2, when 2 cars were closed in and I stopped as couldnt squeeze through. Kup behind me didnt wanna wait, hence weaved into the lane 2, wanted to lanesplit between lane 2 n 3. Just as he was about to move into the lanesplit, I heard a loud "Heeeeeey!". Turned around curiously, and saw a caucasian riding a bicycle lanesplitting between lane 2 n 3, and the kup almost banged into him as he didnt check. While the caucasian was riding past, this was what I heard him shout: "I'm teaching you, you've gotta f**king look!" all the while pointing at the kup rider. End up the kup just let him pass and rode behind him.

 

My thoughts: Both at fault here I guess. Cyclist should never be lanesplitting (correct me if I'm wrong). While the kup also didnt check clear before proceeding to lanesplit. However if it was a motorcycle instead of the bicycle, the kup might have been able to notice due to the headlights and size.

 

Any thoughts?

Both at fault. The ang moh lost or what? This is SG. Bicycles are expected to travel near to the double yellow lines not lane splitting in between cars. Its already dangerous for a cyclist to be on the road at such traffic conditions even more to be laneplitting. I am not dissing the cyclist for I am also an avid cyclist. But the cyclist should know his place.

[danielling1981]

 

This is what I think road hogging is like. The usual case of when traffic is too slow thus creating a "dragon head" is well, in my opinion too difficult to give way thus becomes a individual perspective of whether it is road hogging or not. But in a case where there is ample space for both overtaking or giving way and the rider doesn't, tat would be I feel real road hog.

[danielling1981]

  lollibear said:

This morning while riding to work, saw something unusual and wished I had a cam to show.

 

Was lanesplitting between lane 1 n 2, when 2 cars were closed in and I stopped as couldnt squeeze through. Kup behind me didnt wanna wait, hence weaved into the lane 2, wanted to lanesplit between lane 2 n 3. Just as he was about to move into the lanesplit, I heard a loud "Heeeeeey!". Turned around curiously, and saw a caucasian riding a bicycle lanesplitting between lane 2 n 3, and the kup almost banged into him as he didnt check. While the caucasian was riding past, this was what I heard him shout: "I'm teaching you, you've gotta f**king look!" all the while pointing at the kup rider. End up the kup just let him pass and rode behind him.

 

My thoughts: Both at fault here I guess. Cyclist should never be lanesplitting (correct me if I'm wrong). While the kup also didnt check clear before proceeding to lanesplit. However if it was a motorcycle instead of the bicycle, the kup might have been able to notice due to the headlights and size.

 

Any thoughts?

 

1) Bicycle should not be on the road, let alone lane splitting. Bicycles should stay at extreme left BUT it is still not safe, thus in my opinion is, if the road is a busy one, bicycles should not be on it unless off peak hours.

 

2) Yes Kup did not check. Basically if the bicycle is a motorbike, he is going straight, thus have the right of the way. If we ignore for a moment that it is now a bicycle, then yes, the ang mo has the right of way.

 

3) You said that the Kup almost bang the bicycle. This means that the bicycle was already in the blind spot of the Kup, thus it is more likely tat either Kup didn't check blind spot or didn't bother checking at all.

[wait4me]

i gotta disagree with u daniel on point 1 ..those road bicycle are not meant to be on uneven grounds..

as for the bicycle to lane spilt.. sometimes in very heavy traffic like nicoll road to suntec , i doubt the bicycle also wan to be on the yellow line so might as well lane spilt as he can travel fast enought too

 

no matter how we diss bicycle riders ,its also how car drivers diss us

[danielling1981]

  wait4me said:

i gotta disagree with u daniel on point 1 ..those road bicycle are not meant to be on uneven grounds..

as for the bicycle to lane spilt.. sometimes in very heavy traffic like nicoll road to suntec , i doubt the bicycle also wan to be on the yellow line so might as well lane spilt as he can travel fast enought too

 

no matter how we diss bicycle riders ,its also how car drivers diss us

 

May my phrasing wrong. I do not mind them but i feel sg roads r too dangerous for bicycles to share. :/ i also used to ride bicycle to work, it was terrible.

[wait4me]

  danielling1981 said:

May my phrasing wrong. I do not mind them but i feel sg roads r too dangerous for bicycles to share. :/ i also used to ride bicycle to work, it was terrible.

then where else can they ride?

think i also hear drivers say bikes too dangerous to ride also ?

 

i still believe it boils down to attitude ..

cause your video also have that biek road hogging

[wait4me]

today go home , kana one of my worst case scenario

filtering with this big crusier on lane 1 , after quite a slow ride , proceed to speed up and over take .. but then further down in less then half aminute of ride , approach this heavily smoke 2t bike rode by a uncle which is worse then mine .

crusier caught up with me , i surrender and wave cruiser on by giving way , but he keep going slower and slower ...

[Silent Hunter]

Yesterday while driving, when I got to the car park, saw my car got banged (hit and run) in the night.

Bumper cracked and bonnet badly dented .

 

Then the day before while riding, a taxi cut left to filter without signalling, the only indication of him going to change lane was that he braked and edged to the dotted line.

[danielling1981]

  wait4me said:

then where else can they ride?

think i also hear drivers say bikes too dangerous to ride also ?

 

i still believe it boils down to attitude ..

cause your video also have that biek road hogging

 

On pavement. But then walkers will complain. I just feel tat bicycles ve o ride defensively like motorbikes. In E example given, i think e bicycle increased his risk by lane splitting. Note tat I'm not suggesting to ban bicycles from road, but if a bicycle were to ride in a dangerous manner, i would scold tat bicycle e way i scold cars for causing danger. If e bicycle is riding safely all is good.

 

As for drivers saying tat motorbikes r dangerous, lets assume tat they r referring to those tat ride recklessly and without a care for other road users. For this type of riders i also think they should be ban from e roads. I am not bias towards only cars or bicycle. I am bias towards any form of dangerous behaviour on e road INCLUDING walkers even. My comment is just with reference to e example given where e bicycle did not stay on e extreme left. Of coz i am not suggesting tat other roads users can just switch off and assume tat bicycles will stay left, all of us road users should be alert for anything under any situation.

 

For e road hog video, Usually i dun think those dragon heads r road hogging. becoz e dragon is formed when e traffic is slow and some cars cant position themselves well causing some riders cants LS well. I can understand that. But in my video, there were a few chances for either overtake or move to lane 2 to cruise or move to lane 1 to cruise. Instead he stayed on e LS line. If u think i should ve squeeze through, i would say tat i find tat kind of maneuver high risk too. But moving aside during cruising speed is safer in my opinion.

 

Of coz u r right tat it is only my opinion. Likewise if anyone thinks tat overtaking another bike in those LS situation is safe, by all means carry on but my opinion is tat it is just adding more risk to our already high risk riding.

 

Of coz also i agree with u tat it boils down to attitude. E kup could ve been more alert in checking before moving into e LS line. E bicycle could ve stick to extreme left instead of trying to LS. Or e rider who quoted e example should ve force his way through then e kuo no need to change lane and endangered e bicycle. E car could ve seen motorbikes coming and waited for a more suitable situation to change lane. And in my video, e "road hog" could ve given way. So many things could ve been but isnt it endless?

 

Thus for me, I'm sad to say tat i will stick to some of my opinions and of coz i wont force my opinions on others. But tats wat forums r for, sharing of variety of info, agreeing and disagreeing on everythinng and anything.

[Jehuty]

A black soccer mom car cuts me suddenly for no reason, giving in to my emotions, I gave chase but I got pillion, car tried to run but couldn't get away....then I got to my destination. Lucky for him, I'd ask him to wind down...and I'd make him love his mother more.

[danielling1981]

  Silent Hunter said:

Yesterday while driving, when I got to the car park, saw my car got banged (hit and run) in the night.

Bumper cracked and bonnet badly dented .

 

Then the day before while riding, a taxi cut left to filter without signalling, the only indication of him going to change lane was that he braked and edged to the dotted line.

 

Sad for u. I noe how it feels becoz kanna before too. But ur case sounds much more serious than mine. :/ bonnet badly dented, must ve been quite a impact if kanna even bonnet.

[Jehuty]

  danielling1981 said:

 

This is what I think road hogging is like. The usual case of when traffic is too slow thus creating a "dragon head" is well, in my opinion too difficult to give way thus becomes a individual perspective of whether it is road hogging or not. But in a case where there is ample space for both overtaking or giving way and the rider doesn't, tat would be I feel real road hog.

 

A malaysian kup would have overtaken him as closely as possible and teach him a lesson he might not forget.

[Forhod]

  Jehuty said:

A malaysian kup would have overtaken him as closely as possible and teach him a lesson he might not forget.

 

+1.. Recently I keep on coming across these lane split hoggers again.. I can't overtake safely as bike not enough power..

[CSV]

yeah, been meeting a few lane split hoggers also.

 

either they have those stupid small mirrors which you can't see sh!t, or they don't check if they are blocking people.

 

traffic heavy, hard to overtake also. have to wait till got space then overtake.

[duo]

  danielling1981 said:

 

Thus for me, I'm sad to say tat i will stick to some of my opinions and of coz i wont force my opinions on others. But tats wat forums r for, sharing of variety of info, agreeing and disagreeing on everythinng and anything.

I too stick to my opinions. Been an avid cyclist up till this day and I still say bicycle should not lane split. Its ok to travel on the roads but not lane splitting as though they are motorised vehicles. True riding is dangerous as compared to drivers protected by metal. But that does not give them the right to swerve here and there without caring about other road users' safety. How often do you hear of a rider crashed into a car and kills just the driver? But its gettin too common for the opposite. Remember the accident at Ford Road whereby a driver lost control of his car and went into the opposite side killing a rider? The rider was just trying to get from point A to point B. I stand by my statement that drivers makes riding dangerous. Agree or disagree its up to you. I stick to my opinion. Good if you are not one of those dangerous drivers.

[Epsilon]

  danielling1981 said:

On pavement. But then walkers will complain. I just feel tat bicycles ve o ride defensively like motorbikes. In E example given, i think e bicycle increased his risk by lane splitting. Note tat I'm not suggesting to ban bicycles from road, but if a bicycle were to ride in a dangerous manner, i would scold tat bicycle e way i scold cars for causing danger. If e bicycle is riding safely all is good.

 

Fyi uh, i think now cycle on pavement can get fine, there's pic on fb of two aunties cycle on pavement and three tp(dunno why need so many?) stop and talk to them, said tio fine. But I think most tp heck care, it's better to be on pavement most of the time, so they close their eye to this. Also tamp/pasir ris allows cycling on pavement, govt say like some testing stuff?? idk? If really got fine, then they'll be forced onto the roads, and it'll get messy. It's still up to the cyclist to be on the road or not, their own risk-assessment. They're more at risk than moto cos it's just a small metal frame and leg power they have, but when it's those young kids going zig-zag all over the place, they're asking to get hurt. Anyways, I feel so off-topic talking bout' cycling on a moto forum, need to get license sooner! And camera! try share experience abit.

[Epsilon]

  duo said:

I too stick to my opinions. Been an avid cyclist up till this day and I still say bicycle should not lane split. Its ok to travel on the roads but not lane splitting as though they are motorised vehicles. True riding is dangerous as compared to drivers protected by metal. But that does not give them the right to swerve here and there without caring about other road users' safety. How often do you hear of a rider crashed into a car and kills just the driver? But its gettin too common for the opposite. Remember the accident at Ford Road whereby a driver lost control of his car and went into the opposite side killing a rider? The rider was just trying to get from point A to point B. I stand by my statement that drivers makes riding dangerous. Agree or disagree its up to you. I stick to my opinion. Good if you are not one of those dangerous drivers.

 

I think some drivers need to realise that they're piloting a 1000+ kg rolling hunk of metal, and take driving seriously. Many are like "whatever" and do some really unbelievable things.

[duo]

  Epsilon said:

Fyi uh, i think now cycle on pavement can get fine, there's pic on fb of two aunties cycle on pavement and three tp(dunno why need so many?) stop and talk to them, said tio fine. But I think most tp heck care, it's better to be on pavement most of the time, so they close their eye to this. Also tamp/pasir ris allows cycling on pavement, govt say like some testing stuff?? idk? If really got fine, then they'll be forced onto the roads, and it'll get messy. It's still up to the cyclist to be on the road or not, their own risk-assessment. They're more at risk than moto cos it's just a small metal frame and leg power they have, but when it's those young kids going zig-zag all over the place, they're asking to get hurt. Anyways, I feel so off-topic talking bout' cycling on a moto forum, need to get license sooner! And camera! try share experience abit.

Funny but true. I was once fined with a couple of my friends by TP for cycling on pavement. That was before I had my licence. Best thing is the TP on their diversion was riding their bikes on the pavement too.

 

 

 

  Epsilon said:

I think some drivers need to realise that they're piloting a 1000+ kg rolling hunk of metal, and take driving seriously. Many are like "whatever" and do some really unbelievable things.

Precisely. To be a hitman in SG all you need is a car. No need for guns and sophisticated weapons.

[wait4me]

yup daniel friendly discussion..

 

to CSV > yes either they dun check their mirrors often , else onli got one or no mirrors, else their turn over jacket blocking their rear view OR they simply cant be bothered

[naim]

  Jehuty said:

A malaysian kup would have overtaken him as closely as possible and teach him a lesson he might not forget.

 

Yah i was surprised d malaysian kup didnt cut him, like they always do! I find LS at ard d same speed as other traffic more dangerous. If car cut into ur lane, u dun much power to accelerate n siam them. U dun rly have anywhr to go. I tink i come across at least 3 LS hoggers every day to work.

[shahrul_azmil3]

U be surprise that

 

Everyday i happen to come across road hoggers to work to tuas. There will be like 4 bikes behind waiting.

 

To make matter worst

 

Harly davidson are among those who likes to hog.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Azmil Sempit

[zac__]

Some lane-splitters who are road hogging, can't be bothered if they are road hogging.

 

A few months back, I was land-splitting though a slow moving traffic and as usual, there's a road hogger.

 

I gave a gentle beep to bring awareness to the hogger. He looked at his side mirror, saw me, but dismissed it. Many opportunities presented to him to give way and let me pass, but he didn't.

 

I beeped a few more times. Still, many opportunities presented to him to give way and let me pass, but he didn't.

 

Finally, after following him behind for some time I took the next chance to pass him.

Sure enough, there was a wide-enough gap and I took the chance.

 

Immediately after I overtake him (safely), he sped up on his kup, like a racer!

He gave chase and and tried to overtake me through the gap at the side.

 

At this time, I had already caught up to the next chain of bikes.

My front tire was in-line with the rear bumper of the car close to me.

 

Even with just about 30cm small gap (from my front tire to the car's rear bumper), he cut right in front of me!

Immediately I brake to save my own skin. Had my reactions been a millisecond too slow, something bad is going to happen.

 

What is wrong with him? He had many chances to go to one side, into the gap to give way to me, but no.

He had to squeeze into the gap to overtake me, after I overtake him.

 

What a dangerous maneuver! Too bad, my bike wasn't equipped with a camera then.

[ticks]

  zac__ said:

Some lane-splitters who are road hogging, can't be bothered if they are road hogging.

 

A few months back, I was land-splitting though a slow moving traffic and as usual, there's a road hogger.

 

I gave a gentle beep to bring awareness to the hogger. He looked at his side mirror, saw me, but dismissed it. Many opportunities presented to him to give way and let me pass, but he didn't.

 

I beeped a few more times. Still, many opportunities presented to him to give way and let me pass, but he didn't.

 

Finally, after following him behind for some time I took the next chance to pass him.

Sure enough, there was a wide-enough gap and I took the chance.

 

Immediately after I overtake him (safely), he sped up on his kup, like a racer!

He gave chase and and tried to overtake me through the gap at the side.

 

At this time, I had already caught up to the next chain of bikes.

My front tire was in-line with the rear bumper of the car close to me.

 

Even with just about 30cm small gap (from my front tire to the car's rear bumper), he cut right in front of me!

Immediately I brake to save my own skin. Had my reactions been a millisecond too slow, something bad is going to happen.

 

What is wrong with him? He had many chances to go to one side, into the gap to give way to me, but no.

He had to squeeze into the gap to overtake me, after I overtake him.

 

What a dangerous maneuver! Too bad, my bike wasn't equipped with a camera then.

 

Malaysian kup rider? There was once I was following an noisy kup lane splitting slowly too. Then the car of the left decided to cut across the lanes through us, he siam, I honked my extra loud horn to warn the car. The Kup rider thought I honk him and stared at me. Lol.

[ticks]

  shahrul_azmil3 said:

U be surprise that

 

Everyday i happen to come across road hoggers to work to tuas. There will be like 4 bikes behind waiting.

 

To make matter worst

 

Harly davidson are among those who likes to hog.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Azmil Sempit

 

There's always been this thing about Harley riders isn't it?not citing a local scene. Just a thought one supermoto junkie said. More than half the time HD riders are biased against other bikers. Saying things like if you bring you GS or other bikes even,to a HD riders frequented pub. Those riders will beat the **** out of the Beemer rider. In the States, that is.