Why so many classes of bike licence?

[scooterer]

Originally posted by rhema83@Jun 29 2005, 07:29 AM

There is one thing that the US does to ensure that new riders can handle their bikes. They take their riding tests with their own bikes. So if a newbie buys a R1 with his learner's permit, he better be able to control it during the test. (Figure 8 and tight u-turns with an R1, anyone?) The chances of a tester passing him on a big powerful sports bike is also lower, because the tester will know better than to let a newbie who can barely control his R1 in 3rd gear onto the road alone.

I don't know which state this is in, but I know quite a few people who got their bike licences in the US without even owning a bike, so I don't see how it helps. And certainly there is no legal requirement to own a bike before getting a bike licence (that would be ridiculous)....

 

For those who want to bypass the rule, they would just hold off buying the bike, and use someone else's bike, and THEN buy their R1 one day after getting the licence.

[rhema83]

The general rules are as follows in the New York State:

 

1) You get your learner's permit (equivalent of PDL) by passing the theory test.

2) You can practice on the road under supervision of a licensed rider above 21, on a bike that is insured in your name.

3) You must provide your own bike for the road test and the bike must be insured in your name.

 

Rules 2 and 3 practically requires you to have your own bike in order to get the license, because it is difficult to insure the bike in your name if you (or your immediate family) don't own the bike. You can always take a riding couse (called Motorcycle Safety Course), but the MSCs don't necessary provide bikes for you. In fact, many don't.

 

Of course, you can borrow a friend's bike. But if you drop it (or worse, get into an accident) while learning on it, it's going to be a sticky situation. I, for one, won't lend my bike to a learner.

 

Sorry for being

 

Anyway I still believe that if you train the learners on big bikes right from the start, they will be better prepared to handle big bikes when then finally get their licenses.

[AliDavidSum]

Long long ago in this forum, there was discussion about different licence for bikes

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....=0entry454346

 

With bikers & pillion making nearly half of fatal in road accident, it is doubtful the present system will change.

 

In places like US, many bikers ride only for licence. Whereas in SG & Malaysia etc, many ride as transport.

[scooterer]

 

I see a great market for crappy second hand bikes that are sold from owner to owner for purposes of "bike exams" in NY.

 

Its not true for other states, certainly not for Wisconsin, Penn and (not sure N or S Dakota), which I have aquaintences in.

[boofeng]

Originally posted by rhema83@Jun 29 2005, 01:28 PM

Anyway I still believe that if you train the learners on big bikes right from the start, they will be better prepared to handle big bikes when then finally get their licenses.

yes i agree, generally, to this notion.

 

unfortunately i haven't time to make a constructive case for implementing this. especially with regard to countering these arguments:

1. financial issues (for transport bikers, although maybe like i said before, we could have both a basic licence, and a direct-access licence [with extensive training] perhaps?), and

2. the conviction that young riders are dangerous riders, and

3. that dangerous riders on big bikes are worse than the same on small ones

 

among other things of course.

anyway, now toying with the notion of a direct-access licence for big bikes. the UK currently uses something like that? not too sure about this, just read very briefly about it in a mag.

 

comments and input are very welcome =)

especially with regard to persuading people (not just the gahmen but the general public too) that young riders can be trusted to ride big bikes safely if they have adequate training.

[The_Sheriff]

Originally posted by Scorpione_phantom@Jun 13 2005, 03:48 PM

I feel 400cc and 600cc has a big difference in terms of power wise and handling. they shouldn't be classified under the same class..600cc has to go into the cl2 category.

 

Stock 59BHP ( which MOST 400cc don't REALLI have) vs a 100 BHP 600cc . That's double the power.

Yup.. totally agree. .Current 600cc sportsbikes are lighter and DOUBLE the power of the 400cc..

[Rubendran]

:p :p Edited February 6, 2009 by Rubendran

[mcavalera]

hmm...but what if singapore has the law whereby we only need to get 1 license n can ride any cc of bike.....

 

then if we c some young 18 year old punk on the streets riding a 1000cc bike .... lacking the skill n the maturity in riding with courtesy n consideration... will we feel like f***ing the guy???

 

i'm all for having just 1 license la, really feel its a waste of $ n time.....

 

guess at the end of the day, there are many aspects the govt has to consider, as to the pros n cons of having a few bike classes or not.

 

 

 

[leewenzhen]

What about a trial run for a year where there will be only 1 class of licence for bikes, pass liao can ride all like class 2. Then see what happens.

[floppy]

Originally posted by leewenzhen@Jul 19 2005, 01:50 PM

What about a trial run for a year where there will be only 1 class of licence for bikes, pass liao can ride all like class 2. Then see what happens.

its dangerous enuff having p-plate 2 stroke

now u suggesting having p-plate 600cc/1000cc lacer trying to run u over?

 

[shaunz]

i support 3 licenses

initially when i 2b i also make noise

but as i rode longer i found that if a new rider posesses a bike which is powerful.. it will be very dangerous for him

[rhema83]

Originally posted by scooterer@Jun 29 2005, 03:32 AM

 

I see a great market for crappy second hand bikes that are sold from owner to owner for purposes of "bike exams" in NY.

 

Its not true for other states, certainly not for Wisconsin, Penn and (not sure N or S Dakota), which I have aquaintences in.

 

Nah, it snows too much in NY. Most riders here really got quite a bit of passion for the sport. If not they won't go through the trouble of storing and maintaining the machine every winter. So even 600cc class bikes are not that frequently traded.

 

Anyway back to the topic. I actually feel that the license system is going to be changed inevitably, especially when 2-stroke technology is being phased out, and production of 400cc bikes might cease in the near future. And I still think classifying bikes by power rating, as well as training newbies on bigger bikes, are the way to go.

[Scorpion69]

I support 3 licenses too. The 3 licenses ideally should be 2b 250cc 2a 500cc n 2 max base on the bike made nowaday and is a common international classes.

 

No offence dont frame me lol.............

[dreamtcs]

end of the day human problem

at first it was 16 years old limit

now its 18 years old

who knows when its going to be 21 years old?

 

here road so short and speed limit so low, get big bike also no point

[xxes123]

Originally posted by Hornet69@Jul 26 2005, 03:51 AM

I support 3 licenses too. The 3 licenses ideally should be 2b 250cc 2a 500cc n 2 max base on the bike made nowaday and is a common international classes.

 

No offence dont frame me lol.............

u think a p-plate 250 2-stroke RS250 or PGM is mature/skilled enough to handle :confused: there is no RS250 nor PGM4 in US... 4 stroke 250 is ok ... image this , all p-plate lacer newbie go get RS250/PGM i rather take MRT , at least i feel safer... a well-tuned and legally mod 2B sports bike can give S4 a run of its money... yes, i do admit 2B range dun have much choices for sportsbike..

 

No offence dont frame me lol.............

[Gallant]

Originally posted by BikeLover@Jun 5 2005, 01:20 PM

I had been wondering abt this.....

 

I personally felt there are too many of them and such a waste of money to get it so many times. Such a waste of money and taking these licences are not cheap!!!

Maybe to discourage people from riding big cc bikes... kekeke.

 

For me, cl2b and cl2a is enough.

 

What do you think?

 

 

Otherwise there will be no fun , no challenging!!!!!!

 

[tyujhgbnm]

I feel it is very good to get a 2b 2a and 2, coz need to used to the power ,weight etc ma. but i feel the period of 2a and 2 change to 1/2 yr instand 1 yr .

[DM]

2a is totally redundant.

 

enrolment age should be 21 and above.

class 2 after 2b 1 year probation. sounds good enough to me.

 

if class 2a is really needed, extend it to 600cc hahaha

[True_Atlantean]

For me, I'm open to the idea of reducing the types of motorcycle licenses in SG. But more importantly, if there was to be a reduction in the number of license classes, there shld b a requirement for riders to clock actual riding time instead of just gg thru a calendar year.

 

ie. you shld hv owned a motorcycle to ur name & b actively riding for the duration of the year (or the required time span) b4 being allowed to take the next class of license.

[poromov]

And how do you imagine they check mileage you did and mileage did your friend helping you?

[Sleepyhead]

Originally posted by BikeLover@Jun 6 2005, 09:16 PM

Which one? I am not that well informed, cos I only know countries that don't.

Aussie only have one licence and that is it. But most Aussie scared to ride, cos it is really dangerous over there.

 

Got lah.... then they can create more jobs. kekeke. If not wrong, all the driving schools should be GLCs, like telecoms.

Sorry to dissapoint u but Australia also has different classes of bike lic. and the waiting period for the different classes is also one year......

 

From a 200cc 2 stroke or 4 stroke bike with little or no engine brake and very little trottle control needed to a 600cc or 1000cc bike with huge engine braking and trottle control is esential unlike the 2 strokers where u can full trottle at corners. I'll seriously expect to see lots of World Super Bike kind of High Sliding effects on our SG roads due to heavy engine braking and poor trottle control. With bikes flying, hmmmm wonder what kind of damges it can do to our other road users.

 

So i think learning to control a 400cc 4 stroke bike and getting use to the heavy engine braking and trottle control is a necessery step to take.

 

Besides with the new Motor GP ruling of eleminating 2 strokes next year, we might see 400ccs soon in production due to new rulings and demands..... ( just assuming)

[Sleepyhead]

Originally posted by xxes123@Oct 3 2005, 12:38 AM

u think a p-plate 250 2-stroke RS250 or PGM is mature/skilled enough to handle :confused: there is no RS250 nor PGM4 in US... 4 stroke 250 is ok ... image this , all p-plate lacer newbie go get RS250/PGM i rather take MRT , at least i feel safer... a well-tuned and legally mod 2B sports bike can give S4 a run of its money... yes, i do admit 2B range dun have much choices for sportsbike..

 

No offence dont frame me lol.............

Agreed!!!

A well Tuned RS250 or PGM4 can do 0-100 in 3 plus secs and is nearly in the category of our cl2 bikes.

The 250s 2 strokes like these 2 models are not known as King of 2As for no reasons. And if P platers doing up there SPs and Kips are already tuning their bikes that some can match 400cc bikes, I dare not imagine what ther will do to the RS250s and PGM 4s that can match 600 to 750cc big bikes in low end.....

[Sleepyhead]

Originally posted by BikeLover@Jun 6 2005, 07:21 PM

Which country? Cos the one I know is UK (hope I am right), where the first licence is 125cc.

 

Why I said 2 stages instead of 3 cos I think bikes like super 4 "looks" to be equally powerful and fast as some of the bigger bikes. That means maybe can fight lah on Singapore road... kekeke

 

In UK... 125cc and below are for learners bike... But there are certain 125cc that aare never allowed on the roads due to power like the Cagiva Mito is only allowed to be sold as a pure track bike in UK.

Besides if u hear the UK bike Licence system u even more sian than Sillypore ones liow...

UK Restricted License then you're not permitted to ride a motorcycle producing more than 33bhp or 25KW for the first 2 years.

 

It's 2 years to a bigger cl 2 bike. So comes back to the same as sillypore.

If internationlly, most countries practises such bike licensing practises, there must be certain safety issues that they have considered....

 

So slowly get your road experiece and getting use to handling more powerful bikes stages by stages from 2b,2a and 2

[dannis]

Originally posted by Sleepyhead@Dec 4 2005, 01:05 PM

In UK... 125cc and below are for learners bike... But there are certain 125cc that aare never allowed on the roads due to power like the Cagiva Mito is only allowed to be sold as a pure track bike in UK.

Besides if u hear the UK bike Licence system u even more sian than Sillypore ones liow...

UK Restricted License then you're not permitted to ride a motorcycle producing more than 33bhp or 25KW for the first 2 years.

 

It's 2 years to a bigger cl 2 bike. So comes back to the same as sillypore.

If internationlly, most countries practises such bike licensing practises, there must be certain safety issues that they have considered....

 

So slowly get your road experiece and getting use to handling more powerful bikes stages by stages from 2b,2a and 2

To me(now 31yrs old), when young, I dont regard 180km/h is enough n desire for more....lucky me i made it till today. Now at 31yrs old, 150km/h is too speedy.

 

I do agree that the 3 levels of class 2 is essencial but probably the driving centres can do it in such a way that they provide intensive training for lic class. Like 2b, they can have daily lessons for a certain period of time then when required hours of training is achieved, u can go for TP with lesser waiting time. Get Class 2b then wait a yr for 2a n intensive training then class 2.

 

Another thinking is something like to allow 2b class to ride up to 250cc BUT after they complete their 1yr probation. N for 2a ppl to ride up to 600cc after they complete a yr after they get their 2a. This I feel is better because if I were to be able to ride a Haya during my young days, I would. Young blood dont think things like elders do.

 

Happy riding guys. N be safe.

[Gallant]

Originally posted by dannis@Dec 15 2005, 03:41 AM

To me(now 31yrs old), when young, I dont regard 180km/h is enough n desire for more....lucky me i made it till today. Now at 31yrs old, 150km/h is too speedy.

 

I do agree that the 3 levels of class 2 is essencial but probably the driving centres can do it in such a way that they provide intensive training for lic class. Like 2b, they can have daily lessons for a certain period of time then when required hours of training is achieved, u can go for TP with lesser waiting time. Get Class 2b then wait a yr for 2a n intensive training then class 2.

 

Another thinking is something like to allow 2b class to ride up to 250cc BUT after they complete their 1yr probation. N for 2a ppl to ride up to 600cc after they complete a yr after they get their 2a. This I feel is better because if I were to be able to ride a Haya during my young days, I would. Young blood dont think things like elders do.

 

Happy riding guys. N be safe.

Dennis ,

 

U R right!