how do u define a very gd suspension?

[Khuboy]

any tuners to recommend for my riding style, riding at moderate fast spd into low cornering?

[FieryGiX]

any tuners to recommend for my riding style, riding at moderate fast spd into low cornering?

 

For road or for track?

[horly]

I really dont know much abt suspensions and settings. But I just want to share this.

Charn was able to do about 1:43 on PG on the stock suspensions of my cbr954. And his feedback on the suspensions was that they are bad i.e lousy. Maybe so, but my lap times are nowhere near 1:43. That saves me quite a lotta $$, because until I can do anywhere near 1:43 , it aint the tool, its the rider !

 

Just invest in tires and concentrate on riding.

 

BTW i knew for a fact that R6 has pretty neat stock suspensions. high speed damping, low speed damping. etc So I would get help to max out on those, before tossing more money in aftermarket parts.

[Khuboy]

For road or for track?

 

more on road la, always wanted to go track but no khaki or master to guide me.

[NoLogicOne]

If you are hands on and have the tools, all you need is 2 or 3 good frens, and a quick down load from the web with instructions and measurements for static and rider sags. The damping and rebound, you could play with that once you done the sags. I had some good frens here to help me ride my bike around the track for me, and kindda lucky, they are pretty close to my weight.

 

Remember, Tuister said, there is no compromise....what's good for track is bad for the road, vice versa.

[TiUsTer]

I really dont know much abt suspensions and settings. But I just want to share this.

Charn was able to do about 1:43 on PG on the stock suspensions of my cbr954. And his feedback on the suspensions was that they are bad i.e lousy. Maybe so, but my lap times are nowhere near 1:43. That saves me quite a lotta $$, because until I can do anywhere near 1:43 , it aint the tool, its the rider !

 

Just invest in tires and concentrate on riding.

 

BTW i knew for a fact that R6 has pretty neat stock suspensions. high speed damping, low speed damping. etc So I would get help to max out on those, before tossing more money in aftermarket parts.

 

i agree with u that the R606 has good suspension, but like i say it won't b consistent after the oil in the shock heats up which is roughly about after 5 laps if u r pushing. as for the point about Charn, well u r refering to Charn, he is a rider that has reach the level of being to ride around a problem. 1:43 for him is just a breeze walk in the park. as for the rest of us which i consider Novice, who r still sorting out our riding techniques. consistent n proper suspension setup is important. especially if u r trying to impove ur riding n bringing ur laptimes down.

[rein_jahat14]

My views are for the track..

 

Without a doubt a well tuned out suspension will help..

 

BUT...

 

i feel a rider should iron out his riding technique, as he will not be able to fully utilise the works suspension or after market ones..

Plus if ure juz doin basic riding/street, a stock or OEM setting is dialed up to the optimized setting by the test rider/OEM specialist...

Best not to meddle with it..This was advised to me by Sato-san who maintains the Msportbike machines in MSS..

 

If u happen to experiment on ur suspension always PEN it down or mark on the bike wat was the previous setting, then ride it out..

At least have the standard setting written out for reset purposes in case the experiment fails..

 

Riding tecnique have to be maintained, same goes for posture but try out and see where u can get the best response from the bike - where it tells u that its ok to go faster, brake later/harder, lean lower, on the throttle earlier...etc.

 

When i had my lessons wit the Guru(hehehe)..

he emphasized Technique,tEchnique,teChique.....

the bike usually don fail the rider..the rider does..

as the technique gels with u, familiarize with the track..

from there any changes u do, u can continuously negotiate, feedback and make corrections to ur riding..

 

Once ure smooth with the tecnique/posture/track..speed will come,equals to better track times..

 

JUZ my 72cent opinion..

[aRcHeR]

as the saying goes, muscles break down, techniques don't..

[Raptor]

after reading all the reply can i summarised that a well tuned suspension will absorb most of the bumps on the road rather than feeling them?

Currently mine is very harsh i can even feel leaves that my bike went past, any commence from u guys?

 

Very harsh till you can even feel the leaves on the road?? And you are into moderate fast street riding and low into corners??

 

You are treading on very dangerous grounds. Not wise.

[FieryGiX]

In my opinion, suspension tuning is only applicable when the rider can "feel" the feedback from the tyres, suspensions and chassis.

 

Most of the time, it's only required for track riding.

 

Feeling leaves on the road has nothing to do with suspension, it's more on your tyre grip.

 

For street riding, you can leave it to the soft side for a plush and comfortable ride.

 

For another advice. Refer to my lengthy "Cut & paste" post below.

[FieryGiX]

THE STREET IS NOT THE TRACK (http://wiki.bcsportbikes.com/index.php?title=The_Pace)

 

Two weeks go a rider died when he and his bike tumbled off a cliff paralleling our favorite road. No gravel in the lane, no oncoming car pushing him wide, no ice. The guy screwed up. Rider error. Too much enthusiasm with too little skill, and this fatality wasn't the first on this road this year. As with most single-bike accidents, the rider entered the corner at a speed his brain told him was too fast, stood the bike up and nailed the rear brake. Goodbye.

 

On the racetrack the rider would have tumbled into the hay bales, visited the ambulance for a strip of gauze and headed back to the pits to straighten his handlebars and think about his mistake. But let's get one thing perfectly clear: the street is not the racetrack. Using it as such will shorten your riding career.

[TiUsTer]

My views are for the track..

 

Without a doubt a well tuned out suspension will help..

 

BUT...

 

i feel a rider should iron out his riding technique, as he will not be able to fully utilise the works suspension or after market ones..

Plus if ure juz doin basic riding/street, a stock or OEM setting is dialed up to the optimized setting by the test rider/OEM specialist...

Best not to meddle with it..This was advised to me by Sato-san who maintains the Msportbike machines in MSS..

 

If u happen to experiment on ur suspension always PEN it down or mark on the bike wat was the previous setting, then ride it out..

At least have the standard setting written out for reset purposes in case the experiment fails..

 

Riding tecnique have to be maintained, same goes for posture but try out and see where u can get the best response from the bike - where it tells u that its ok to go faster, brake later/harder, lean lower, on the throttle earlier...etc.

 

When i had my lessons wit the Guru(hehehe)..

he emphasized Technique,tEchnique,teChique.....

the bike usually don fail the rider..the rider does..

as the technique gels with u, familiarize with the track..

from there any changes u do, u can continuously negotiate, feedback and make corrections to ur riding..

 

Once ure smooth with the tecnique/posture/track..speed will come,equals to better track times..

 

JUZ my 72cent opinion..

 

 

well said bro, fully agree with all ur input. technique is most important. as for suspension settings, noting them down is upmost important. even though if some1 else is setting it for u, its gd tt u take note of the settings otherwise u wont know wat tt person has done. bottomline u have to be able to feel and know wat u r adjusting. i.e. wat do u mean when u say ur suspension is hard? due to preload, compression or rebound? if u r unable to differentiate them, its better just to leave ur suspension alone n just concentrate on ur riding. when u get ur techniques n posture right n stay consistent on track, as ur laptimes r getting better, i'm sure u would b able to understand suspension better by then

[TiUsTer]

fierygixx posted a very good informative write up on suspension :Suspension 101 (Max McAllister of Traxxion Dynamics). beneficial to all including myself. think its a good idea to print it out n read it from time to time as u r making changes to ur suspesion. will help you understand better.

[Raptor]

AMA Honda supermotard rider Carey Hart's bike has this info on the fork stanchion of his ride. Talk about attention to details.

 

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/angelo_neo/IMG_1070.jpg

 

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/angelo_neo/IMG_1068.jpg

[Hartholomew]

Hoi Raptor,

 

Carey Hart is my stage name lah, that was me!!!! (I wish)

[Raptor]

Hoi Raptor,

 

Carey Hart is my stage name lah, that was me!!!! (I wish)

 

Oh OK...

[NoLogicOne]

Hmmm, I've been to MotoStrano at RedWood City. Triple the size of Regina, with suits all over the shop. Not the best price, but nice ppl. They got the Alpinas Tubeless Spoke Rims for sale.