SBF Classic Vespa's Cafe 2009 / 2010

[maz]

gweester,

 

know nothing much abt polini and malossi. all i know pinasco is nicasil lined( cannot seize but it may) and cannot rebore. Its plug and play. no need to run in. but to be safe do run it in. u neva know when its gonna give way. cos once this block hard seize its the end. u gotta get a new one. Performance wise malossi transfer ports are better design then pinasco.i read it somewhere but cant remember. try scooterbbs.com. i think its there.

[emrun]

Originally posted by maz@Jun 28 2006, 03:44 AM

to enjoy ur scooter u gotta get ur hands dirty. U will have more attachment to the bike. and probably will safe u some money.its juz my view.

 

for example: u can change ur engine oil on your own. all u have to know is how many ml of engine oil ur engine need. invest in a pump bottle with a long nozzle(easily available from hard ware or plastic ware. cost less than $2). get the know how from internet an u are ready to do it. it juz lossening 2 screws. and thats it. i don know how much it cost to do servicing at shop but i mostly do it myself. it onli takes 15 mins or so.

i nvr get my hands dirty when changing engine oil.. cos i use rubber gloves (dishwasher type) before i do anything on the vespa. very convenient, no oil staints or smell on my hand. heh. and for the pump bottle, i use the plastic cilli sauce bottle with the small nozzle (+-$1). and put in castrol R4 ($20).. but i tend to overflow the engine oil.. EVERYTIME.

 

how many ml of engine oil u put?

[un-sith]

Originally posted by Gweester@Jun 26 2006, 02:00 PM

Anyone can advise on the pros and cons of the following 150cc alloy block kits available?

1) Malossi

2) Pollini

3) Pinasco

Which is better?

Maybe you have used it and would like to leave some personal comments...

hmm, i used pinasco 150 block on my sprint last time. supposely it will increase the cc to 175.

 

no exp. on other brands. but for the pinasco block it did its job.

 

top speed increased to 100-105km/h from max 85-90. the pickup is so much powerful and faster.

 

A must upgrade, esp if u pillion often.

[edge-t]

From What I've read about malossi on scooterbbs in comparison to Pinasco(I've only used Pinasco before), Malossi's porting is superior if you're looking for a lacey vespa. If you're looking for "the faster the better", and you don't mind spending time, money and irreparable modifications to the crankcase, go with the Malossi.

 

Pinasco is a bolt on and go kit. Of course, you'll probably need to upjet, do some plug chops and stuff to dial the kit in. Thing I like about it, no modifications to the crankcase, anytime you wanna go back to stock, take it out and replace. Spiffy eh? Yeah, Pinasco is hard to seize. Never had any seizure on it for the last five years. Returned to stock recently, had 2 mild seizure, running a little too hot. Think I might go back to Pinasco.

 

Polini, not very pop with the vespa masses leh. Maybe you can do a search on scooterbbs.

[Gweester]

previously i was on pinasco alloy kit...it works perfectly....plug and rev...

With additional porting on the crankcase, cutting of the crankshaft and upgrading the carbs, it utilises the block kit potential to a higher level....

but now i am just fiddling around with the idea of malossi and polini...hmmm....

as many have mentioned that the malossi design & transfer ports are better and also the cylinder is made of cast iron alloy, it does not have the problem of seizure, i am caught in between...will continue to research and would welcome more comments...

Anyway, thanks dudes!!

[emrun]

recently, i notice i've lost the compression before kick start. is this normal?

 

and my morning kick starts are back to 4 to 5, or even 10 again. (usually max. 2 kick start). so i change the spark plug and when it starts there is clouds of smoke (tink the effect of tilting the vespa for several times?).. tot dat usin back vpower might solve the problem.. but petrol was not the problem..

 

does engine oil the main reason for the stuck up? cos i notice dis happens after i change my engine oil. (first time using castrol R4). its like been changing 4 spark plugs per month for me. usually change 6 months once.

 

and do u choke ur vespa when parking?

 

thanks in advance!

 

neway, i use malossi 150 kit. but the vibration sucks. i rode my fren's vespa with pinasco. and it's definitely more smoother.

[edge-t]

sounds like a flooding issue. Do you turn off the fuel tap when you park? If you have the fuel tap on, with the bike tilted to the right side, it can cause flooding. I get smoke when my vespa floods. I don't think it's the spark plug prob. Next time you encounter this again, take out the spark plug, kick the engine over for 10 times w/o the sprk plug and the tap turned off to clear the excess petrol. Clean the spark plug if it's wet, put it back, turn on the fuel tap and try again.

[ermintham]

hi im thinkin of sellin my sp and getting a vespa....shld i get a cheap one and do it up myself? or get an alr done up one?

 

 

which wld be a better way?

 

and erm....there seems to be so many types of models....sprint...lx.....blah blah..can anyone tell me more abt them? thanks

[emrun]

Originally posted by edge-t@Jun 29 2006, 03:57 PM

sounds like a flooding issue. Do you turn off the fuel tap when you park? If you have the fuel tap on, with the bike tilted to the right side, it can cause flooding. I get smoke when my vespa floods. I don't think it's the spark plug prob. Next time you encounter this again, take out the spark plug, kick the engine over for 10 times w/o the sprk plug and the tap turned off to clear the excess petrol. Clean the spark plug if it's wet, put it back, turn on the fuel tap and try again.

i've been turning off the fuel tap everytime i park since i first ride. and i nvr experience this until recently. i did notice that my plug's wet after taking out. and i've been throwing all the wet plugs (thinking that it's in no use) all over carparks in SG.

 

is there a chance fuel tap be faulty?

[edge-t]

It could be, try getting your vespa to run, turn off the fuel tap without turning the engine off, run it for a while. If your fuel tap is working properly, your bike shld 'die' off after a few minutes.

 

If you wanna check it visually, turn off the fuel tap, take off your side panel, take off the carburettor cover, loosen the hose clip and pull off the fuel line. Naturally, if the fuel tap is working, there shouldn't be any petrol running out.

 

Hope it helps.

[reddy]

Originally posted by emrun@Jun 29 2006, 09:39 AM

recently, i notice i've lost the compression before kick start. is this normal?

 

and my morning kick starts are back to 4 to 5, or even 10 again. (usually max. 2 kick start). so i change the spark plug and when it starts there is clouds of smoke (tink the effect of tilting the vespa for several times?).. tot dat usin back vpower might solve the problem.. but petrol was not the problem..

 

does engine oil the main reason for the stuck up? cos i notice dis happens after i change my engine oil. (first time using castrol R4). its like been changing 4 spark plugs per month for me. usually change 6 months once.

 

and do u choke ur vespa when parking?

 

thanks in advance!

 

neway, i use malossi 150 kit. but the vibration sucks. i rode my fren's vespa with pinasco. and it's definitely more smoother.

another way is to tilt ya bike to the left side and kickstart it. i have to warn u tho, that takes skill, it might drop if u lose ya grip on the bike. another one would be to push start it.. no need to take out ya splug. that is if u are not embarassed by ppl looking at you. as for closing ya tap when parking, its up to individual. if the parking lot is slanted to the left, theres no need to close the tap cos the fuel will not overflow to the carb. you have to close the tap if it is slanting to the right tho otherwise ya ride will be hard to start

[reddy]

Originally posted by ermintham@Jun 29 2006, 04:13 PM

hi im thinkin of sellin my sp and getting a vespa....shld i get a cheap one and do it up myself? or get an alr done up one?

 

 

which wld be a better way?

 

and erm....there seems to be so many types of models....sprint...lx.....blah blah..can anyone tell me more abt them? thanks

getting a refurbished vespa or not is up to individual taste.... if u trust the engine of the vespa and the outlook and of course too if the price is right, u may buy the refurbished one. if none suits u, u could get a cheap vespa and slowly do it up to ya liking. u will appreciate the bike more that way.

[ermintham]

Originally posted by reddy@Jun 29 2006, 09:19 PM

getting a refurbished vespa or not is up to individual taste.... if u trust the engine of the vespa and the outlook and of course too if the price is right, u may buy the refurbished one. if none suits u, u could get a cheap vespa and slowly do it up to ya liking. u will appreciate the bike more that way.

kk thanks a lot

[rae07]

hey guys..sorry to hijack this thread. juz finished my vespa bodywork and decide to offload a few items.

 

-px150 head set(round). condition's fair. definitely needs a new paintjob and refurbishing of some components. complete with headlight, gear bars, cable housing and working speedo(cracked display).

-px150 speedo cable(less than a mth old)

-front brake cable with housing(brake switch still intact and working)

-front sparetyre rack.(condition's fair...still can hold tyre well)

 

juz quote ur price via pm or call me @ 94234461. viewing/deal @ tampines.

[Sharpey]

ermintham...

 

I'd get a cheap scoot (especially if it's your first one...) This is purely to safeguard you from making an expensive mistake... Many 'classic' scoots aren't as classic as they claim to be.... they all look nice to the untrained eye though....

 

I'm not saying that a PX150 made to look like a 70's model is not a good buy... just that you need to know the difference in value between one of these scoots and a genuine Vespa Super, or Vespa Sprint....

 

Budget around 1k for a reliable scoot that will help you learn about vespas without having to spend so much... You can always sell it for the same money you bought it for anyway

[un-sith]

Originally posted by reddy@Jun 29 2006, 09:14 PM

another way is to tilt ya bike to the left side and kickstart it. i have to warn u tho, that takes skill, it might drop if u lose ya grip on the bike. another one would be to push start it.. no need to take out ya splug. that is if u are not embarassed by ppl looking at you. as for closing ya tap when parking, its up to individual. if the parking lot is slanted to the left, theres no need to close the tap cos the fuel will not overflow to the carb. you have to close the tap if it is slanting to the right tho otherwise ya ride will be hard to start

eh, i tot tilt to the right?

[Gweester]

Originally posted by emrun@Jun 29 2006, 09:39 AM

recently, i notice i've lost the compression before kick start. is this normal?

 

and my morning kick starts are back to 4 to 5, or even 10 again. (usually max. 2 kick start). so i change the spark plug and when it starts there is clouds of smoke (tink the effect of tilting the vespa for several times?).. tot dat usin back vpower might solve the problem.. but petrol was not the problem..

 

does engine oil the main reason for the stuck up? cos i notice dis happens after i change my engine oil. (first time using castrol R4). its like been changing 4 spark plugs per month for me. usually change 6 months once.

 

and do u choke ur vespa when parking?

 

thanks in advance!

 

neway, i use malossi 150 kit. but the vibration sucks. i rode my fren's vespa with pinasco. and it's definitely more smoother.

emrun, you are using the malossi block kit....

vibration sucks? really? Havent got to test out....don't really know...

Any other feedback?

as for pinasco, it works rather well for me in terms of performance and smoothness so to speak....

[Gweester]

ermintham...

 

Personally I would definitely go for a "unrestored" one and since it is your first bike, you might wanna get a unrestored bike with good running engine to start off.....to get used to the way vespa works first before doing all the customizing...

By progressively customizing it the way you want (both engine and outlook), you want slowly learn more about your bike and how it functions....

In this way, you will be more attached to your scoot!!

Vespa needs heaps of tender loving care....

 

There are quite a number of model in the market with different price tags (PX, super, sprint, etc) and it's own pros and cons...but i guess if you really like it, you will pay for it....

Rule of thump: do not use outlook to make your decision....you have to see the potential in those old vespa and WHAT is actually running inside it....

Reading the forum is heaps useful and people here are friendly and helpful in terms of sharing their experience on a vespa...

Of course you can do some research on the net (there are some links flying here and there, so check them out!!) before you commit in getting a vespa....than at least you know what to look out for...

 

0.02 cents worth....

 

[ermintham]

thanks reddy sharpey and gweester for ya inputs....very gd ! thanks

[emrun]

Originally posted by Gweester@Jun 30 2006, 01:06 PM

emrun, you are using the malossi block kit....

vibration sucks? really? Havent got to test out....don't really know...

Any other feedback?

as for pinasco, it works rather well for me in terms of performance and smoothness so to speak....

i notice it vibrates more than pinasco. and it suffers 'pull back' when riding at 90-100 during the day, so usually i rode arnd 60 all the time (everyday frm Yishun to Yio Chu Kang, so near. heh).. night time usually smoother, nvr experience 'pull back' before and top speed increases +-10. that is the weirdest thing.

for the pick up, i'm not too sure if malossi or pinasco faster..

for the petrol consumption, i notice a MAJOR increase if ride at 90-100 everyday. and one thing it require plenty of 2T, i use a minimum 200ml 2T for every 4-5 litres of petrol. AJ advise this. so i follow. heh.

 

anybody noes why there's 'pull back' ? wat's actually the problem? my fren advice me to put an extra condenser.

[Gweester]

can you further elaborate on the pulled back?

What actually happen?

[emrun]

Originally posted by Gweester@Jun 30 2006, 04:58 PM

can you further elaborate on the pulled back?

What actually happen?

it's like when i'm riding arnd 100km/h. den all of the sudden, the engine stop for a while and i can actually feel like the vespa jerking backwards, den move as per normal. and if u trottle further, the vespa will die off. so whenever i experience this, usually i slow down and 1/4 trottle to stay the engine alive. i was thinking that i might be overheating the engine..

[Sharpey]

Emrun... you are overheating the engine.... firstly, it seems like you're using way too much 2T 200ml???? That's like a 5% mix man! 3% is the most you need... really.. Check on scooterbbs if you don't believe me (i use the autolube anyways on my PX....)

 

What I think this pull back is (as I've said before) is a soft seize (or mild piston jam as we call it here...)..... This is a big issue dude....

 

What are your carb settings??

[maz]

yup i agree with sharpey. it seems like u use abit too much 2t. the white smoke indicates tt u use too much 2t or its overflow. usually its 3%.30 ml of 2t for every 1 litre. unless its the older made which uses 5%..since u using malossi u might want to read this info for the settings http://malossiuk.com/help/166172210.pdf.

 

abt tilting to the left thing explain by reddy it is to counter the overflow effect..full throttle tilt to the left and kick start. caution this takes a lot of skill. u pull choke onli when cold start. park no need to pull choke. Emrun it might be possible tt the tank tap cannot off liao. try checking it. remove the fuel line and turn the tap. at close no fuel shl flow. if it still flow time to change it.. By the way px 150 uses 250 ml engine oil.

 

sometimes if u forget to push the choke back or it got stuck somewhere u might also feel the pull back.. Climb hill also no power.. it cannot be a broken seal. cos a broken seal has all the symptoms tt u explain onli thing is cannot go any faster than 30km/h and no pull back.

 

Anyway any of u guys did a clutch upgrade to cosa clutch? wanna get some input.

[marciano]

is it possible to get a an A? plate? just wondering...