Raizin Voltage Stabilizers..

[tigerjoe23]

The car/vehicle charging system has been the same for decades. Nothing much has been done to the basic operation of the car battery charging system. For all commercially available vehicles, the output of the alternator is regulated by an IC regulator, which charges the battery all the time and maintains the battery at about 90% before fully charged. This is a continuous drain of at least 1-2kW, or more, of the useful power from the flywheel of the engine, regardless of the driver's demand or road condition. If the engine is not properly tuned, such loading can be most obvious and annoying during idling. In fact, the larger a battery is used in a car, a larger amount of energy may be required to charge the battery depending on its state of charge.

 

The spikes and loadings on the battery affect the ECU operation. Also, the regulator IC in the alternator has limited response speed. All these result in a fluctuating voltage that cannot be cured by brute force, such as adding capacitors at the B+ 12V supply rail. (The output voltage is controlled by the IC pumping current into the excitation winding of the alternator. The performance of this IC has a direct relationship of output voltage stability.)

 

The fundamental solution is to optimize the whole battery charging system, improves the dynamic responses of the charging IC, increase the rate of change of field winding current to maintain optimal operation. And under certain operating conditions, balance the charging system such that the alternator no longer forces energy into the battery. Hence, at least 1-2kW of useful power is saved from the engine. With the loading removed, the engine will appear to be livelier, responsive, and the useful power can be transferred to the wheels. Also, with the load removed, the engine RPM is more stable and hence a more stable voltage is observed.

 

Ez-stab provides the benefits of a balanced charging system, giving a much more stable voltage and yet reduces loading on the engine. In the near future, Ez-stab will be designed into an active control closed loop battery charging system with intelligent control/communication with the ECU. Sounds overkill, but it is an area, which many performance car designers overlooked. We have addressed this problem and had filed a patent in Singapore, soon in USA and Japan. While many perform extensive modifications such as exhaust or engine porting to gain a few horsepower; such benefits may be easily achieved thru an Ez-stab in the system with no sacrifice of vehicle comfort and vehicle warranty. Ez-stab also protects the battery and ECU for repeated heavy usage within service life.

 

Anyone interested in a unit..??

 

:cheeky:

[gixxerfreak]

how much for one unit?

[Strong Eagle]

It's just a bunch of capacitors hooked in parallel with the battery. What you wrote is marketing hype and mostly nonsense.

 

ECU's are already protected against voltage differentials, and there is not enough storage capacity in the capacitors to make any meaningful difference at idle.

 

Once again, if it was a great idea with real value, the manufacturer would already have installed it.

 

How is it that a tiny company, with an advertising budget 10 times the size of it's R&D budget comes up with these magic "cures", while auto and bike manufacturers who spend billions each year on R&D can't figure this out? Answer: It is garbage.

[kirra55]

Have to say that such units are a complete waste of $$$ and offer no benefits whatsoever to a motorcycle or any other type of engine.

 

It's worth noting that such products can not be advertised or sold in countries that have strong consumer protection or "truth in advertising" laws.

 

Don't waste your $$

 

Good of you to find this article and post it for everyone to see. It's passing this sort of stuff on to fellow riders that makes us different from most car owners.

Riders tend to be far more knowledgeable and ask more questions about such things than car drivers.

[tigerjoe23]

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Originally posted by kirra55@Dec 13 2005, 01:23 AM

Have to say that such units are a complete waste of $$$ and offer no benefits whatsoever to a motorcycle or any other type of engine.

 

It's worth noting that such products can not be advertised or sold in countries that have strong consumer protection or "truth in advertising" laws.

 

Don't waste your $$

yea man most will agrees dat it wun probably boost ur bhp up by afew horses just by boosting the so-called 'current' or stablising it,if it does..however it can be noted that there's far too mani on the market like the article dat i've extracted somewhere stating how well their volt stab outshines other brand of the similar concept & even sharing the same 'blue' box design.. to each its own la bro :thumb:

(p.s.mi not an advertiser juz extracting the article from somewhere to share our views on the item

[Murphy]

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Originally posted by Strong Eagle@Dec 12 2005, 11:33 AM

It's just a bunch of capacitors hooked in parallel with the battery. What you wrote is marketing hype and mostly nonsense.

 

ECU's are already protected against voltage differentials, and there is not enough storage capacity in the capacitors to make any meaningful difference at idle.

 

Once again, if it was a great idea with real value, the manufacturer would already have installed it.

 

How is it that a tiny company, with an advertising budget 10 times the size of it's R&D budget comes up with these magic "cures", while auto and bike manufacturers who spend billions each year on R&D can't figure this out? Answer: It is garbage.

then y the hell ppl go do groundin on their bike..might as well dun do it lor...y install with so mani stuff like pipes etc....all tis are oso garbage mah..they develpo the bike with stock items already can perform le...y buy....y when have TCS u still wan SCV...stupid rite.....

 

 

no pun intended

[Strong Eagle]

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Originally posted by Murphy@Dec 14 2005, 02:53 PM

then y the hell ppl go do groundin on their bike..might as well dun do it lor...y install with so mani stuff like pipes etc....all tis are oso garbage mah..they develpo the bike with stock items already can perform le...y buy....y when have TCS u still wan SCV...stupid rite.....

 

 

no pun intended

There is a big, big difference between changing pipes and adding on some useless junk like a "voltage stabilizer".

 

The power of your engine is directly related to its ability to breathe. More air per intake stroke means it can burn more fuel, means more power per stroke. No garbage there. A free flowing, properly tuned exhaust is the cheapest way (per horsepower gained) of improving the engine. Most street pipes are tuned to meet noise regulations and to provide power in a broad band of RPM's. You can swap to a pipe that is louder and tuned for upper RPM's and get more power. Most of them are not street legal because of the noise.

 

You can also readily demostrate the physics behind how such pipes work, and you can easily test for improvements. Sidenote: Did you know that most Vance and Hines aftermarket pipes for the Harley actually reduce power? Or that the Cobras for the Valkyrie knock off 2 to 5 horsepower? Just because pipes are loud doesn't mean they are any good.

 

Similarly, you can change out stock carbs, air boxes, intakes, and engine control units and get more power... usually at the expense of drivability. You can increase compression, add a blower, port and polish the valves. But again, the physics are known, and the results can be proven.

 

But how does the "voltage stabilizer" help? No physical explanation that makes any sense. Its construction and installation will tell anyone with a knowledge of electricity that it can't possibly do what it says it is supposed to do.

 

Here is a fact: The voltage stabilizer is connected in parallel across your battery terminals. In turn, the charging system is connected in parallel to the battery. When the charging system is operating properly it puts out 14.1 volts... this is the voltage potential needed to cause a lead acid battery to charge. There is NOTHING the voltage stabilizer can do to change this voltage, except maybe becoming a hard short circuit... which of course is not a good thing. And when the charging system is not charging, the voltage potential across the battery is 12 volts... the battery voltage... and because the "stabilizer" (ha ha ha) is connected in parallel, it too, must have exactly the same voltage potential, and there is nothing that it can do to change that voltage potential. In short, it is crap.

 

It's sold to gullible people who do not understand what they are buying. They are getting ripped off. And that, sir, is garbage.

 

PS: "Grounding" is also a total waste of money. Truly, as long as you have clean, tight connections and cable ends that are properly connected to the cables, electricity absolutely does not give a sh*t whether it travels one inch or one foot to become grounded. In fact, vehicles and all electronic circuits are built with a single ground to minimize floating ground problems, which can occur when you connect two devices together intead of grounding them to a single ground.

[floppy]

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Originally posted by Strong Eagle@Dec 14 2005, 08:16 PM

It's sold to gullible people who do not understand what they are buying. They are getting ripped off. And that, sir, is garbage.

:thumb:

 

a pity, a very well written explanation but it will be lost on a lot of people who simply cannot/refuse to understand.

[IdiotiClown]

hmmm there is a sayin: those who cant eat e grape will say tat it is sour... i cant comment abt e stablizier cos neber use b4 bt as for grdin, if after installin will it b CRAP tat my engine vibration is reduced? if there is no use for a particular appliance y e company waste $ in mass producing them? might as well do other things.. if u guys say hw cum stock bike doesnt comes wif it when it is so gd y nt tink abt tis: imagine Rossi bike is mass produced, hw many newbies or even old birds can handle it? Stock bike r made so tat even ur grandma wif license can ride.. jus my 2cents..

[tigerjoe23]

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Originally posted by gixxerfreak@Dec 12 2005, 11:12 AM

how much for one unit?

bro there a MO going on,dude.. :thumb:

[tigerjoe23]

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Originally posted by kirra55@Dec 13 2005, 01:23 AM

Have to say that such units are a complete waste of $$$ and offer no benefits whatsoever to a motorcycle or any other type of engine.

 

It's worth noting that such products can not be advertised or sold in countries that have strong consumer protection or "truth in advertising" laws.

 

Don't waste your $$

 

Good of you to find this article and post it for everyone to see. It's passing this sort of stuff on to fellow riders that makes us different from most car owners.

Riders tend to be far more knowledgeable and ask more questions about such things than car drivers.

:thumb:

[tigerjoe23]

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Originally posted by IdiotiClown@Dec 15 2005, 11:10 AM

hmmm there is a sayin: those who cant eat e grape will say tat it is sour... i cant comment abt e stablizier cos neber use b4 bt as for grdin, if after installin will it b CRAP tat my engine vibration is reduced? if there is no use for a particular appliance y e company waste $ in mass producing them? might as well do other things.. if u guys say hw cum stock bike doesnt comes wif it when it is so gd y nt tink abt tis: imagine Rossi bike is mass produced, hw many newbies or even old birds can handle it? Stock bike r made so tat even ur grandma wif license can ride.. jus my 2cents..

:bouncefire:

[Guest tookara]

i using the original made in japan pivot raizin stabiliser n its v good made in JAPAN rocks!

 

n this is a thread for discussion on products no for flaming

[tigerjoe23]

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Originally posted by tookara@Dec 16 2005, 05:52 AM

i using the original made in japan pivot raizin stabiliser n its v good made in JAPAN rocks!

 

n this is a thread for discussion on products no for flaming

yah datz wad mi as a thread starter haf to protest oso..keke.. :bounce:

[ATwin]

Actually i have install this product in my previous 750cc bike n i personely found that it the bike seems to travel much more smothly. Anyway it only cost less than 100 nowadays..i bought it at the high side.if u got spare $$ no harm pamper ur bike...kekeee..

[tigerjoe23]

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Originally posted by ATwin@Dec 19 2005, 09:07 PM

Actually i have install this product in my previous 750cc bike n i personely found that it the bike seems to travel much more smothly. Anyway it only cost less than 100 nowadays..i bought it at the high side.if u got spare $$ no harm pamper ur bike...kekeee..

agrEEd :thumb:

[Prestone]

I have it on my TA200....be4 install,vibrate like **** when rpm's very high,now after install easily go very fast minus the stupid vibrations at high rpm's.....

 

Conclusion:Each of its own....you feel its ****, dont buy,you feel that its gonna benefit you and your bike,Buy it and be happy with what you spend...

JUs my 2cents!

[prego08220]

I agreed with some of u guys.. To Each Of Its Own.. Some ppl like Honda bike, Where else some like Kawa bike.. But if i prefer honda bike, Can i say Kawa bike is lousy? So i rather ask the moderator to close this thread rather than making a big fuss about it... Anyway, Its just something less than a $100... I believe some of u guys had fix something in ur bike worth more than that?

[Prestone]

And also to raise this one pointer,for pivot's Raizin,cheong or not,electrically theory wise,all condenser/capacitor is the same when they have the same specs(power rating),so needless the product cheong or not,it will perform the same....coz normally,copycats will really copy blindly 100% from the original ones...

 

Like one of their claims:

It has come to our knowledge that fake RAIZINs are widely distributed in the South East Asia regions especially in Singapore, and we are also concerned that these imitations are being distributed via online auctions. We will take legal action against wholesalers and retailers of these imitation goods.

 

They are saying this just to protect their products from being not sold becoz of cheaper fake counterparts on the market...

So be it fake or not,just buy it and feel the difference...if no differences felt,just sell it off....no loses rite?

 

Just my two cents...

[snowparang]

Could be related but is a voltage stabiliser the same as this battery eliminator:

 

http://motorcycle-battery-eliminator.com/

 

I've actually purchased that for my 250cc 2 stroker. It worked (meaning I can start and ride my bike without a battery) but unfortunately when I switch on the headlight the power drain is too much and the bike stalls.

 

Since I seldom ride my 2 stroker, the battery on it invariably began to degrade. It was quite unrideable with the dying battery (even after a fresh charge) and worst still if I on my headlights. Another weird symptom my bike will display is that the rpm will jump when the electrical load is heavy (e.g. 1200 rpm idle w/o headlights, 2200 rpm idle when I on the headlights). This is purely a display error, as the engine noise do not increase correspondingly.

 

Then I got an idea and hook up the battery eliminator in parallel with the dying battery. 2 observations:

 

1. The voltage reading is very much stabilised, as displayed by the onboard voltmeter

 

2. the tacho, though still display a jump in rpm when I switch on the headlight, fluctuates less.

 

And more importantly, it enabled me to ride my 2 stroker for 3 weeks on a dying/dead battery...hehe...

 

Any thoughts? Is this battery eliminator just another kind of volatge stabilizer?

[fruitcakepablohoney]

There's a sucker born every minute!

[Strong Eagle]

  fruitcakepablohoney said:

There's a sucker born every minute!

 

You got that right! Duped, clueless, and self righteous. Fine combination for selling ocean view property in Arizona/Australian interior.

[Prestone]

  Strong Eagle said:

You got that right! Duped, clueless, and self righteous. Fine combination for selling ocean view property in Arizona/Australian interior.

you don't own one,don't talk as if you own one....we are riding a phantom,200cc only not like what your riding,an valkyree interstate 1520cc....theres a bigg diff here....we r juzt trying to get full power out of our small engine,we are riding a small bike,we can't afford to do expensive mods,not like you who can afford a big bike dat is so expensive,it shows dat we do not have money,so we want to maximise the power range with minimise $$ used...since we r poor chaps not like you...btw it OUR MONEY,OUR BIKE,why you care what we put on our bike?you bought the bike for us??so the best is s.h.u.t.the.f.u.c.k.u.p!

[Strong Eagle]

  Prestone said:

you don't own one,don't talk as if you own one....we are riding a phantom,200cc only not like what your riding,an valkyree interstate 1520cc....theres a bigg diff here....we r juzt trying to get full power out of our small engine,we are riding a small bike,we can't afford to do expensive mods,not like you who can afford a big bike dat is so expensive,it shows dat we do not have money,so we want to maximise the power range with minimise $$ used...since we r poor chaps not like you...btw it OUR MONEY,OUR BIKE,why you care what we put on our bike?you bought the bike for us??so the best is s.h.u.t.the.f.u.c.k.u.p!

 

Hey, you can throw your money into the toilet if you want to. I own a "voltage stabilizer". I've tested it. I've taken it apart to see how it works and what it is made of. I've watched bikes be dyno'ed with and without the device. I have been unable to find real, independent substantiation for any of the claims made for the device.

 

I'd ask you one question. If this is such a great device then why isn't it installed on all bikes at the factory? The bike manufacturers would love something that makes a small bike allegedly perform so much better for so little money. But, the fact is those companies which have teams of engineers trying to make a more efficient bike don't add a "voltage stabilizer".

 

One way to stop being a "poor chap" is to stop throwing your money at every magical gizmo. But, like you say, it's your money.

[kucari]

guys...use ur heads pls...i think strong eagle is freely giving us advise with best interests...not the kind of advise u will get from bikeshop e.g: buy this buy that...uf u want to take his advise or not thats up to u guys..