Non PSB approved helmets

[GuiNNeSS]

So you are saying your insurance company actually dictate what helmet you should wear?

 

No. They dictate to ask you questions or choose to examine your helmet and cite that since its not approved, they don't need to pay you.

 

Frankly, I also think that PSB thing is crap, and is used to generate financials to supplement their minister's income. Though the original idea was to protect its citizens from wearing even crappier helmets in the past that got them 'tax paying citizen's killed. No citizens....no more $$$$ to earn!

[arthur_chan]

No citizens....no more $$$$ to earn!

haha, another way of saying psb is money sucker.

[sliq]

technically, if you are riding a bike in Singapore, you need to wear a sisir/psb approved helmet.

 

however, if your perception/judgement of a non-approved $XXXX Arai/Etc helmet is much much safer for your head (due to Snell/DOT certifications) go ahead, buy and use it! Consider the cost of the fine as a protection fee to the largest & legal organized secret society in Singapore.

[Mike80]

Hi to all, had been using my $45 trax opened face helmet from the day i took my licence till the day i passed..Was meeting my frzs for prata and they will commenting that i should get a full faced helmet for better protection..As a new 2b licensee, i dun want to get into the wrong side of the law..I went to motoworld at kaki bukit and they happened sell HJC helmets with PSB sticker inside the helmet between the shell and the lining..Just want to check is it the norm now to have sticker inside the helmet? Thanks!

[mechwira]

Hi to all, had been using my $45 trax opened face helmet from the day i took my licence till the day i passed..Was meeting my frzs for prata and they will commenting that i should get a full faced helmet for better protection..As a new 2b licensee, i dun want to get into the wrong side of the law..I went to motoworld at kaki bukit and they happened sell HJC helmets with PSB sticker inside the helmet between the shell and the lining..Just want to check is it the norm now to have sticker inside the helmet? Thanks!

 

motoworld is unlikely to cheat you of the psb sticker. if its there, even inside, then its a real psb certified helmet.

 

i wear a hjc fg-15 full face. great value full face, light and comfortable and quality construction. mine has the new tuv-psb sticker on the outside.

 

the cl-st is cheaper, also psb approved, and also good value for its price. but i think its worth the additional $100 or so for the lighter more comfortable fg-15. your choice of coz but i urge you to at least try on the fg-15 before deciding, unless you were referring to the fg-15 all along (you didn specify which). either way, congrats on choosing a safer helmet.

[Jehuty]

Buy non psb approved, stick psb sticker, helmet becomes psb approved.

[mmkbad]

I had a brush with the law recently. I'm wearing an full-face non PSB approved helmet. An AGV S4-SV to be precise.

My colleague and I were stopped at a TP roadblock somewhere near kranji turf club.

 

I had my exhaust silencers removed so needless to say i was nervous as hell. The TP officer let me off with a warning to put back my silencers when i get home. Not ONCE did he look at my helmet.

 

Surprisingly, my colleague who was riding alongside me, was warned for his tinted visor. He was wearing a PSB approved open face helmet. (a NOVA dot if i remembered correctly).

 

Lucky day for us, i guess.

Well my point is, i think the TP nowadays are more sensible when it comes to the PSB sticker thing.

Doesn't make sense for them to summon me for a safety violation with regards to a non-psb approved helmet when i'm clad in my armoured riding jacket, riding boots, riding gloves and full-face helmet on my daily commute to work.

[aRcHeR]

I had a brush with the law recently. I'm wearing an full-face non PSB approved helmet. An AGV S4-SV to be precise.

My colleague and I were stopped at a TP roadblock somewhere near kranji turf club.

 

I had my exhaust silencers removed so needless to say i was nervous as hell. The TP officer let me off with a warning to put back my silencers when i get home. Not ONCE did he look at my helmet.

 

Surprisingly, my colleague who was riding alongside me, was warned for his tinted visor. He was wearing a PSB approved open face helmet. (a NOVA dot if i remembered correctly).

 

Lucky day for us, i guess.

Well my point is, i think the TP nowadays are more sensible when it comes to the PSB sticker thing.

Doesn't make sense for them to summon me for a safety violation with regards to a non-psb approved helmet when i'm clad in my armoured riding jacket, riding boots, riding gloves and full-face helmet on my daily commute to work.

 

off-topic, but try that with a LTA officer. confirm + double confirm ask you to follow him back to LTA base for inspection..

[kaiq]

Pasting your own psb sticker is cheating the law. That's even worse than wearing a no psb sticker helmet.

[Jehuty]

Pasting your own psb sticker is cheating the law. That's even worse than wearing a no psb sticker helmet.

 

If only the law made sense, the only rule there is 'Do whatever you want, just don't get caught.'

 

I'd trust a DOT or SNELL approved helmet over a PSB one any day, fines can pay, life only got one.

[Bodyslam]

Is anybody familiar with Japanese SG standard on helmets?

[snazzy]

i use a nolan helmet that does not utilise a D ring.. thus no sticker.. I think all Nolans are like that

[Markopolo]

i think its not about paying fines, is when it comes to claiming ur own insurance after an accident. i heard not approved cannot claim.. hospitalisation could come in forms of thousands.

[Winners]

It's true that if the insurance company wants to be nasty and somehow they managed to get information that the injured is not wearing a PSB approved helmet, they can go by the law and deny any claims from the injured. This can also apply to the defendant's insurance company, not just the rider's (plaintiff's) own insurance company.

[guiderer]

HJC CL-ST are psb approved ar? i bought mine but cant see the sticker, later go 'dismantle' it to see inside have or not >.

[aRcHeR]

i think its not about paying fines, is when it comes to claiming ur own insurance after an accident. i heard not approved cannot claim.. hospitalisation could come in forms of thousands.

 

what technicality can the insurance claim on to not approve the claim?

 

that the helmet which is DOT/Snell approved but not PSB? please ask them to FLY KITE!

[Markopolo]

if i'm not wrong. to ride in singapore, as in for insurance claim. they only see the psb sticker and sisir stickers, they dun care about dot or not, Dunno whats the rationale, correct me if i'm wrong

[Figila]

if your helmet is not tinted,you not speeding,your bike dont sound so ****ng loud which give them a hint its chiong pipe,your headlight on,you dont ride recklessly.then the tp 89% wont stop you for fun.

i wear non psb approved helmet..being stop by tp at road blocks few times.nv once they say bout my helmet.

so i see no problem regarding psb approved or not,coz there is no yearly inspection on helmet.

[Markopolo]

not worried bout tp thing, more worried bout insurance claims, personal medical insuracne

[mechwira]

1) I have not heard of any accident case where the motorcyclist has been denied compensation on account of unapproved helmets.

 

2) A proper insurance agent acting on motorcyclist behalf can easily go court and show that a dot/snell helmet without psb is just as safe, if not safer, than a psb helmet. by simply doing so, the court will not allow the compensation to be denied, because the point is a person wearing an unsafe helmet is deemed to have aggravated his injury thru his own reckless decision and therefore deserves less than full compensation. but if the helmet you wear is deemed safe even if technically illegal by virtue of psb sticker, then the court will still say you deserve full compensation because you have done nothing reckless to aggravate your injury.

[RageMyDream]

Yes, we haven't heard of such cases yet and hopefully we do not wish to hear such cases in future.

 

Technically speaking, I believe the Snell/DOT and PSB work equally but under local Traffic Acts, only approved by authority is the safest.

 

Eventually, it's still the riders' choice.

[mechwira]

'approved by authority is safest' is only from a legal standpoint. is it still 'safest' from injury standpoint? remember the case of the psb helmet that cracked in two a few years ago?

 

in any case, there a several helmet models out there with both dot/snell and psb, like hjc brand, and for both full face and open face. these models make the argument kind of moot, if you wear these helmets. this thread argument is from a time when helmets with psb had no dot/snell, and dot/snell helmets had no psb.

 

the thread argument should be changed to: would you bother taking a little more effort/time/money to find and purchase a psb helmet that additionally has dot/snell? if your answer is no, seriously why the heck not?

[kimmeng]

even arai helmets are not psb approved, but who cares.

[GuiNNeSS]

1) I have not heard of any accident case where the motorcyclist has been denied compensation on account of unapproved helmets.

 

2) A proper insurance agent acting on motorcyclist behalf can easily go court and show that a dot/snell helmet without psb is just as safe, if not safer, than a psb helmet. by simply doing so, the court will not allow the compensation to be denied, because the point is a person wearing an unsafe helmet is deemed to have aggravated his injury thru his own reckless decision and therefore deserves less than full compensation. but if the helmet you wear is deemed safe even if technically illegal by virtue of psb sticker, then the court will still say you deserve full compensation because you have done nothing reckless to aggravate your injury.

 

You have such a insurance agent?

[danielb]

Actually govt shud do this.

Those helmet without dot or snell approve must go through psb test as a minimum.

 

If not like joke of the world. Ppl helmet already dot/snell approve Liao as though not good enough must pass psb standard then can.

 

Majority have voted.... I wonder when a biker will become transport minister, then he/she will know the pain

 

 

 

 

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