[Technical] Engine Oil - All related matters in EO

[weiqiang]

Hmmm.. I dun have my phantom's manual..

But i went for my first oil change at shop, the shop recommended me 1.5l EO..

 

I said I always read the norm is 1L, but they said for my model (the newer custom4) model use more than the old model...

So im not sure.. Issit true?

 

today went to bike shop change headlight bulb. ask abt engine oil. the mechanic told me if 1 litre in the long run not gd. better use 1.5l. then around 2k to 3k can change liao. think i will just get 1 l then top up if need be when the level drop below the lowest x

Edited May 20, 2011 by weiqiang

[weiqiang]

anyone recently bought plutoline engine oil from lab? how much is it? this afternoon i was charged 10 bucks per bottle despite buying 2 from lab.. i forgot it was mentioned here that it cost 8 bucks. was scared that my bike will eat some eo. its abt a month plus since i changed my eo. so quickly get eo from lab to top it up.

[CSV]

if you are scared of bike eating eo, why dont you just check the eo level to make sure there is still enough eo?

 

phantom only needs 1 and only 1 litre of eo. no more no less. too much will cause windage, churning the engine oil.

 

have not tried putoline, was on motul now on chex 9000. chex gives me same results as motul, but cheaper. although vibration more abit.

[weiqiang]

if you are scared of bike eating eo, why dont you just check the eo level to make sure there is still enough eo?

 

phantom only needs 1 and only 1 litre of eo. no more no less. too much will cause windage, churning the engine oil.

 

have not tried putoline, was on motul now on chex 9000. chex gives me same results as motul, but cheaper. although vibration more abit.

 

yup now will make sure i check occasionally after reaching home.

[burnnnn46]

okay i have this weird ass problem, yesterday, my engine was damn rough, so when i got home i check engine oil level. There was almost nothing on my dipstick. So today i went to nearby gas station buy one bottle of EO, top up, then today i come home check again, now i have far too much EO. What on earth is causing this, plus, before I top up, i checked to make sure the bottle was 1L.

[naim]

wen u jux turn off the engine, the oil around the engine takes time to flow down to the oil sump.. so if u check immediately after u turn it off, definitely will be lesser... if u let the bike cool for sum tym then u check, will be more cux all the oil go down alr..

[CSV]

anyway, motul got new engine oil?

 

7100 heard got one is rated at 10w60! wah, even more thick. wonder whats the effect on phantom with that thickness.

[weiqiang]

wen u jux turn off the engine, the oil around the engine takes time to flow down to the oil sump.. so if u check immediately after u turn it off, definitely will be lesser... if u let the bike cool for sum tym then u check, will be more cux all the oil go down alr..

 

If I'm not wrong the manual say let the engine run in neutral for 1-3min or something like that then check. if let the bike cool down is it the same as not letting it run at all?

 

I'm a newbie here so wanna find out how the majority do their eo checks

[Hydher]

Someone should try royal purple oil on their TA and update it here (:

[photofreak82]

Couldnt find those EO mention above from ESSO expect the Mobil super 4T. So in the end get a multigrade 4T extra 20w40 from SPC. It is ok?

 

And izzit ok to mix engine oil of different brand? Lets say now i'm using the one from SPC and i need to top up my EO, can i switch to eg. Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 for the top up? Do i have to go bike shop and flush out everything before i can switch to a new brand of engine oil?

 

And how do you tell from a semi syn and a fully syn? Cause from the outlook of the bottle, some dont tell..=(

 

And for petrol wise, is Shell 95 = Esso 5000? Can they be mistakenly mix?

 

I just passed my TP and got my hands on a phantom.. really wish to know more and learn more about bike.. thanks all very much...=D

Edited June 13, 2011 by photofreak82

[CSV]

you can mix as long as they are of similar grade. eg 10w40 to 10w40.

 

but if they are of different viscosity, i rather not take the risk. maybe top up then ride to motorshop flush out.

 

the bottle usually will say if its fully syn or semi syn.

[mjbs64]

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=194360&d=1297931766

 

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And oh .. I changed my EO every 4000km on my P200!! ... why? ... cos I have faith with Mobil 1 FS!! ... hehehee

 

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Product Information

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just my share here ....

[khtan]

where can i get DELVAC MX? what price? any one used B4? THANK YOU!

[Hydher]

Couldnt find those EO mention above from ESSO expect the Mobil super 4T. So in the end get a multigrade 4T extra 20w40 from SPC. It is ok?

 

And izzit ok to mix engine oil of different brand? Lets say now i'm using the one from SPC and i need to top up my EO, can i switch to eg. Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 for the top up? Do i have to go bike shop and flush out everything before i can switch to a new brand of engine oil?

 

And how do you tell from a semi syn and a fully syn? Cause from the outlook of the bottle, some dont tell..=(

 

And for petrol wise, is Shell 95 = Esso 5000? Can they be mistakenly mix?

 

I just passed my TP and got my hands on a phantom.. really wish to know more and learn more about bike.. thanks all very much...=D

 

A simple google will help your queries.

If they dont say it, it probabbly isnt.

[revhappy]

Couldnt find those EO mention above from ESSO expect the Mobil super 4T. So in the end get a multigrade 4T extra 20w40 from SPC. It is ok?

 

And izzit ok to mix engine oil of different brand? Lets say now i'm using the one from SPC and i need to top up my EO, can i switch to eg. Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 for the top up? Do i have to go bike shop and flush out everything before i can switch to a new brand of engine oil?

 

And how do you tell from a semi syn and a fully syn? Cause from the outlook of the bottle, some dont tell..=(

 

And for petrol wise, is Shell 95 = Esso 5000? Can they be mistakenly mix?

 

I just passed my TP and got my hands on a phantom.. really wish to know more and learn more about bike.. thanks all very much...=D

 

Best place to find varities and good quality EO is at motobike shops and not petrol bunks. Petrol bunks usually have 1 or 2 brands and that too overpriced and mainly cater to Car EO.

 

As you live in bedok, you can try the bike shops at Kaki Bukit like Unique Motors or the trusted bike shop of phantom riders; Planet Motors which is also in Kaki Bukit/Ubi area.

 

 

Regarding mixing EO, It should be ok as long as you are mixing EO with EO and not Vegetable Oil with EO

Try to mix EO with same viscosity, as far as possible.

 

1st and foremost thing is oil level should be right. Next thing is EO should be as clean as possible. Everything else like Fully Synthetic, weight etc etc is secondary.

 

Also any kind of petrol can be mixed with any kind of petrol as long as it is "Petrol"

Edited June 22, 2011 by revhappy

[revhappy]

where can i get DELVAC MX? what price? any one used B4? THANK YOU!

 

You can find it at Esso Petrol bunks. But there they are overpriced; 61$ I think for 5L.

[naim]

buy it in JB la.. much cheaper!

[Hydher]

ranger, watch what you put in your R15

 

Anyway, i'm reccomending ROCK OIL fully synthetic.

Really Pricey thought. :/ $26 per litre at first motors. Down the lane from planet motors.

I got really good fc after using this. Cheers. and those who believe you can "feel" the smoothness of an EO, this is the ****.

 

*Ive not tried motul though.

[willtam]

. . .how is that no mention of Grade 30 EO ...eg 5w30 ....10w30 .....is there major different from Car EO to bike EO ? ....i note some bikers just buy from petrol station where the EO is not classified fro Car or Bike leh ,,,, can some one advise ...

[Hydher]

Better to get bike specific ones as they run at higher rpm. but its your choice and believes that the end of the day. cheers.

[CSV]

ranger, watch what you put in your R15

 

Anyway, i'm reccomending ROCK OIL fully synthetic.

Really Pricey thought. :/ $26 per litre at first motors. Down the lane from planet motors.

I got really good fc after using this. Cheers. and those who believe you can "feel" the smoothness of an EO, this is the ****.

 

*Ive not tried motul though.

 

26 is about same as motul. i using chex now, no perceptible diff from motul leh, but cheaper, maybe i will try rock oil next.

[willtam]

Can someone comment or enlighten why Car EO – Engine Oil is different from Bike EO ? if any . Since there are significant Bikers who buy from Petrol Station off the shelf, how is it that the popular grade 30 is not use nor mention in this Thread ? is there any report or any “qualified advise” that say so that grade 30 Cannot Be Use on Bike.

[CSV]

car EO is used for the engine specifically. car have their own tramission fluid as well. so its 2 different oil for 2 different parts.

 

for bike eo, 4 strokes at least, the eo lubricate both the engine and transmission.

[willtam]

but bro car have their own transmission fluid as most is "auto-trans" as in Automatic gear , this Not EO - Engine oil but Transmission Oil and they have separate "reservoir” for EO -Engine Oil . This is the different. Whereas Bike not mention Scooter with Auto-trans ( automatic gear) do not have dual oil but most bike have "wet clutch" system "bath" in the same EO . One main different manual car gear don’t have oil in them, therefore they are known as "dry clutch" system as in some big bike too.

[naim]

to make it simple.. car EO contains alot of anti-friction additives, cux all it does is lubricate the pistons and crankshafts.. less friction, lesser heat, wear n tear

 

bike EO, can't have too much additives cux it does the same for the bike engine, as in the car engine, PLUS ur wet clutch... if there is alot of additives, ur clutch will slip n can even be damaged...