[Group] Super Four Non-VTEC Family: PB1 VerR & VerS

[Ah Pek]

Hey guys, my dad jus replaced the starter relay but the bike still refuse to start...

 

He says the "click" sound once u press the switch got louder...

:giddy:

 

Any idea if u clean the "carbon brushed" would rectify the problem...

Or is there something more to it...

 

Okay..before narrowing down to the brush carbon fair wear and tear probelm, I assume that the bike can still be push start and this problem is a "on and off" situation like you siad initially in your first post.

 

Try this..since your dad is a Black & decker man...tell him to create sudden "jogs" on the starter motor unit..any method he can think of. For me, I use a mallet and a long tough wooden stud and tap and thud on it hard at certain area of it. The idea is to create sudden viration and 'schock' to shake any stuck carbon loose. After that try restart again and se how.

 

If all else fails..can push start and ride to nearest mototiam (save you $10...unless it can't fire up...MrQuan suggestion applies) and have the internal part replace (no need whole unit replacement).

 

The other thing is that I won't rule out that the battery may be weak too after the relay replacement. So do check after riding awhile to see if it can crank again before going to shop.

[joajas]

Hey guys, my dad jus replaced the starter relay but the bike still refuse to start...

 

He says the "click" sound once u press the switch got louder...

:giddy:

 

Any idea if u clean the "carbon brushed" would rectify the problem...

Or is there something more to it...

 

Thank a bunch guys...

:thumb:

 

P.s.

:D

 

Bro, when your dad change the relay is there any 30A fuse on the relay??

[MaverickRD]

Okay..before narrowing down to the brush carbon fair wear and tear probelm, I assume that the bike can still be push start and this problem is a "on and off" situation like you siad initially in your first post.

 

Try this..since your dad is a Black & decker man...tell him to create sudden "jogs" on the starter motor unit..any method he can think of. For me, I use a mallet and a long tough wooden stud and tap and thud on it hard at certain area of it. The idea is to create sudden viration and 'schock' to shake any stuck carbon loose. After that try restart again and se how.

 

If all else fails..can push start and ride to nearest mototiam (save you $10...unless it can't fire up...MrQuan suggestion applies) and have the internal part replace (no need whole unit replacement).

 

The other thing is that I won't rule out that the battery may be weak too after the relay replacement. So do check after riding awhile to see if it can crank again before going to shop.

 

Yup, the bike can be push start...

(First tym push-start a s4 is nt as easy as i tot it would be...)

:faint:

 

The problem is the bike wont start once u press the ignition switch...

Funny thing is, the problem goes away when u leave the bike for a couple of hours...

But returns back if u off ur engine n want to restart it immediately...

 

Will relay the knocking of carbon off from bike to dad...

Thanks again guys....

:thumb:

[syamitomo]

Yup, the bike can be push start...

(First tym push-start a s4 is nt as easy as i tot it would be...)

:faint:

 

The problem is the bike wont start once u press the ignition switch...

Funny thing is, the problem goes away when u leave the bike for a couple of hours...

But returns back if u off ur engine n want to restart it immediately...

 

Will relay the knocking of carbon off from bike to dad...

Thanks again guys....

:thumb:

 

Wah Maverick, sampai sini nampak? Askin abt ur dad's bike is it? When u gonna ride ur dad's bike lah de???

 

Oh hi SP4 guys, just passing by.... Hehe...

[Marcheline]

Just wanna add that Carlube recommended by Ah Pek is way smooth. Ha.. And the tick tick sound disappeared after the oil change. Think my previous EO had thinned too much after reaching past 7000km and couldn't offer any cushion from metal-to-metal contact. ~

[smiley73]

64?... ..like that gonna cost $64 olehdy mannn!!!...Smiley73 one don't know how much. I think I stay with my two normal bulbs behind la...Stanely one about $3.50 ea only..never failes b4 since I got the bike...

 

so mah fun 1.... buy from them save the trouble

[joajas]

so mah fun 1.... buy from them save the trouble

 

:lol:

 

Ya lor somtimes diy is not that easy one.

[Ah Pek]

Yup, the bike can be push start...

(First tym push-start a s4 is nt as easy as i tot it would be...)

:faint:

 

The problem is the bike wont start once u press the ignition switch...

Funny thing is, the problem goes away when u leave the bike for a couple of hours...

But returns back if u off ur engine n want to restart it immediately...

 

Heh MaverickRD...actually this is sign and sympton of battery very weak. If after push start (walk start also can..) and when engine fires up..take a long long ride and see if battery charge up..test by on/off engine and start with start switch. If its a no_no..that means the rectifier or alternator soil is having a heart attack anytime.

[Ah Pek]

so mah fun 1.... buy from them save the trouble

 

I may get those from autobac if I think it works..keep you posted here lah. But if $s is on the high side...likely not.

 

Btw...are you guys facing problem with this SBF site?...I'm getting this "..server too busy...try later" message now and then so freaking often. Really putting me off. Take so many attempts just to get in most of the time Moreover...sending in post oso get this message and don't know wheather its getting thru or not. May be it just me but so many other web site I serve is not ahving this hick-up mannn!..may be time the server need a spring cleaning.

 

Sino_Mod..you reading this?...highlite to the webmaster leh.

[stRobe]

When we change our wheel bearings, is there a need to add grease to the new ones?

 

The shop i changed didnt add grease, and im kinda worried if it will affect the lifespan of the bearings (prone to rust if ride in rain, etc)

[sypxchocolate]

Heh MaverickRD...actually this is sign and sympton of battery very weak. If after push start (walk start also can..) and when engine fires up..take a long long ride and see if battery charge up..test by on/off engine and start with start switch. If its a no_no..that means the rectifier or alternator soil is having a heart attack anytime.

 

i recently just kana on bike forgot to off for aan hour or so then when i remember the batt already finish le the nerast bike shop also not near i thought of call for tow truck but too ex so i tried to push start my bike and it was a hell of a experence finally got it to start when pushing down a slope

 

after that i realise that my SUPER 4 is SUPER HEAVY !!! :giddy:

[norishimu]

OMG.. where did u go after u on your bike..

that 1 hour grace...

[Ah Pek]

When we change our wheel bearings, is there a need to add grease to the new ones?

 

The shop i changed didnt add grease, and im kinda worried if it will affect the lifespan of the bearings (prone to rust if ride in rain, etc)

 

Yes and no. Grease tends to get harden after sometime unless they have the hi -temp melting point type. The best is to spray it with silcon lubricant now..can be found in DIY shop at $7.00 to $10.00

 

Bearing rust only when water somehow force themselves into it..gaurantee rust! Initiatly, its pack with grease from factory..will eventually drys out and plus bearing movement wear and tear..metal fragments are expected...so the best is to keep the rubber seal packing outside soft and clean and protected..so it won't crack easily.

[Ah Pek]

OMG.. where did u go after u on your bike..

that 1 hour grace...

 

Huh?...who are you replying too?...don't scare me leh...we are in seven month ghost season now leh..they oso multi-racial and ride bikes b4

[edition]

lol dun wori hungry ghost will go to other country to tour n try others country food 1st before they come back to sg ..

[syarif]

i recently just kana on bike forgot to off for aan hour or so then when i remember the batt already finish le the nerast bike shop also not near i thought of call for tow truck but too ex so i tried to push start my bike and it was a hell of a experence finally got it to start when pushing down a slope

 

after that i realise that my SUPER 4 is SUPER HEAVY !!! :giddy:

 

dont mention abt the weight WITH full tank bro. hahah! that one if wanna push start, better find a down slope. but i tried stand and push the bike, jump and tap to gear 1 from neutral. much more easier.

[syarif]

Just wanna add that Carlube recommended by Ah Pek is way smooth. Ha.. And the tick tick sound disappeared after the oil change. Think my previous EO had thinned too much after reaching past 7000km and couldn't offer any cushion from metal-to-metal contact. ~

 

how much is that by the way?

[smiley73]

I may get those from autobac if I think it works..keep you posted here lah. But if $s is on the high side...likely not.

 

Btw...are you guys facing problem with this SBF site?...I'm getting this "..server too busy...try later" message now and then so freaking often. Really putting me off. Take so many attempts just to get in most of the time Moreover...sending in post oso get this message and don't know wheather its getting thru or not. May be it just me but so many other web site I serve is not ahving this hick-up mannn!..may be time the server need a spring cleaning.

 

Sino_Mod..you reading this?...highlite to the webmaster leh.

 

okie okie ... every time server very X2 busy ...

[Ah Pek]

dont mention abt the weight WITH full tank bro. hahah! that one if wanna push start, better find a down slope. but i tried stand and push the bike, jump and tap to gear 1 from neutral. much more easier.

 

Go into second gear, clutch in...walk easy and pick up speed..then let off hallf clutch and slight open throttle at the same time..when the engine kicks in, clutch in and throttle on...can stop walking

[edition]

haha i believe is bcau too many user access tgth to the server which use up the bandwidth available for use ..

[Ah Pek]

how much is that by the way?

 

Depend on sales..$61 becomes $39 (Fully Syn..API SM)

$40 becomes $28 (Fully sync...API SL)

 

All 5 litres at NTUC...else well like Giant and Kafu I don't know.

[edition]

is alot worth while to get it during sales n change it urself .. experience n learn at the same time n save cost too

[Ah Pek]

okie okie ... every time server very X2 busy ...

 

'Dirty' or busy? The funny thing is that it's happening too often even when I see only a few visitors in the we_hours of the morning..or just about anytime even at low traffic.

[syarif]

Go into second gear, clutch in...walk easy and pick up speed..then let off hallf clutch and slight open throttle at the same time..when the engine kicks in, clutch in and throttle on...can stop walking

 

genius. nevermind. later after school wanna start bike can test machine. hehh. new experiment ady.

[syarif]

Depend on sales..$61 becomes $39 (Fully Syn..API SM)

$40 becomes $28 (Fully sync...API SL)

 

All 5 litres at NTUC...else well like Giant and Kafu I don't know.

 

API SM and API SL.

 

different wise? viscosity is it?