600 or 1000

[scrambyjess]

What is the pro and cons of getting a 600 and 1000cc bike of the same brand?

 

eg.

 

Zx6 vs Zx10

 

CBr600 vs cbr 1000

 

R6 vs R1

[nickster]

yeah i would like to know too.. anyone who have ridden both could give some input?

[ulysses_sc]

What do you want to use the bike for? If it's for track, you need to be clear about your skill level. It takes an expert to ride a 1000cc bike fast. Novices usually fare better on smaller cc machines, as they are more forgiving.

 

If you only use the bike for commuting, and have no issues with using 10% of the bike's power 99% of the time, then go with the 1L bikes. Else, 600cc is more than enough.

 

"Maxing out the cc" mentality should never be a bike selection criteria. Unfortunately many local riders do just that, no matter that a smaller cc bike will be more suitable. Pity.

[terrormania]

Well I rode from 400cc to 1000cc the big jump gap… the big and major difference is the raw power of the bike… for me it's really a big jump and I like the power on the 1000cc bike…

[mechwira]

the main difference is that on a 1000cc the power comes in early, from middle of the rpm range onwards (maybe lower still), whereas on a 600cc the power comes on only in the higher rpm range.

 

simple example. on my 600cc i can cruise at 110kmh at approx 9k rpm of 3rd gear, or 6k rpm of 6th gear. if i do it on 3rd gear, if i want to overtake i just open throttle a little wider and bike shoots forward and i'm immediately ahead of the car i want to overtake. if i do it on 6th gear though, it takes like one second for the bike to 'wake up', climb its rpm higher before you'll feel the 'acceleration kick' and you shoot forward.

 

therefore, to truly feel the power of a 600cc, it is necessary to 'ride like a mad man' by keeping the rpm high. which is not really practical coz even in 1st gear at 10k rpm i already hit 100kmh. plus it takes big balls and big skill to corner at that high rpm range and high speed, not to mention dangerous on the road. but if you do manage it, its bloody fun.

 

on a 1000cc, this doesn really matter. even at middle rpm range, the engine is powerful enough to give that kick and instantaneous acceleration no matter what rpm you're on. you can ride 'lazy', or you can ride 'like a mad man', and the power comes on, on demand.

 

applicable to jap inline-4 only. v-twins are a different breed.

[xXxRatedxXx]

the main difference is that on a 1000cc the power comes in early, from middle of the rpm range onwards (maybe lower still), whereas on a 600cc the power comes on only in the higher rpm range.

 

simple example. on my 600cc i can cruise at 110kmh at approx 9k rpm of 3rd gear, or 6k rpm of 6th gear. if i do it on 3rd gear, if i want to overtake i just open throttle a little wider and bike shoots forward and i'm immediately ahead of the car i want to overtake. if i do it on 6th gear though, it takes like one second for the bike to 'wake up', climb its rpm higher before you'll feel the 'acceleration kick' and you shoot forward.

 

therefore, to truly feel the power of a 600cc, it is necessary to 'ride like a mad man' by keeping the rpm high. which is not really practical coz even in 1st gear at 10k rpm i already hit 100kmh. plus it takes big balls and big skill to corner at that high rpm range and high speed, not to mention dangerous on the road. but if you do manage it, its bloody fun.

 

on a 1000cc, this doesn really matter. even at middle rpm range, the engine is powerful enough to give that kick and instantaneous acceleration no matter what rpm you're on. you can ride 'lazy', or you can ride 'like a mad man', and the power comes on, on demand.

 

applicable to jap inline-4 only. v-twins are a different breed.

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[papabread79]

buy rx-z la good enuff for SG roads leh...

[scrambyjess]

Good, but not good enough

[xXxRatedxXx]

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[Dafanshu]

1000 if not you will regret like me

[bukitmerah]

the main difference is that on a 1000cc the power comes in early, from middle of the rpm range onwards (maybe lower still), whereas on a 600cc the power comes on only in the higher rpm range.

 

simple example. on my 600cc i can cruise at 110kmh at approx 9k rpm of 3rd gear, or 6k rpm of 6th gear. if i do it on 3rd gear, if i want to overtake i just open throttle a little wider and bike shoots forward and i'm immediately ahead of the car i want to overtake. if i do it on 6th gear though, it takes like one second for the bike to 'wake up', climb its rpm higher before you'll feel the 'acceleration kick' and you shoot forward.

 

therefore, to truly feel the power of a 600cc, it is necessary to 'ride like a mad man' by keeping the rpm high. which is not really practical coz even in 1st gear at 10k rpm i already hit 100kmh. plus it takes big balls and big skill to corner at that high rpm range and high speed, not to mention dangerous on the road. but if you do manage it, its bloody fun.

 

on a 1000cc, this doesn really matter. even at middle rpm range, the engine is powerful enough to give that kick and instantaneous acceleration no matter what rpm you're on. you can ride 'lazy', or you can ride 'like a mad man', and the power comes on, on demand.

 

applicable to jap inline-4 only. v-twins are a different breed.

 

woah! very very very good, CLEAR, EASY TO UNDERSTAND explanation, leh! many many many many thumbs up!

[mechwira]

Actually I don't regret getting a 600. Its all about knowing exactly what you want in a bike. The fact is different people expect differently out of their machines. Its more important to know what you want than what people prefer. I tell it like it is, but i wont tell you whats good for you coz I don't know.

 

I like my bike's schizo split personality. Test riding my fren's R1 around campus a few years ago, I found that I had to consciously be delicate with my throttling, especially around the narrow tight campus roads coz the bike feels like a rabid dog straining at the leash. By contrast my bike is a gentle cat when I keep the rpm low. And on roads where I can unleash my bike, I up the rpm and it transform into a super fun beast.

 

But it is also true that when you ride a 600 at gentle pace whether by choice or forced to by road/traffic conditions, I guarantee you will feel unsatisfied because you know you are not tapping into the bikes real potential. A 1000cc lets you know you're on a big bike all the time. For better AND for worse.

 

And of coz the 1000cc is faster everywhere. This has never been important to me because the 600 is already much faster than I can use on local roads, and I know I wont have the skill to unleash all of the 600 ability on track, much less a 1000. And I dun give a dam about other ppl beating me at traffic light drag races.

 

So u decide urself wat kind of bike personality fits you best.

Edited June 12, 2011 by mechwira

[Ahys]

Great info. Thumbs up for u

[ProFatSir]

A lot of ppl say...why 600 while you can get 1000!

 

Buy what you need.

Maintenance and servicing might be the same for 600 and 1000 but the person who ride the bike is the final outcome.

[rocklobster]

wow, good thread with lots of good info, i was thinking about the 600 vs 1k debate for a while...

[Two]

are 600s faster on corners?

[mechwira]

are 600s faster on corners?

 

take two highly skilled track veterans and the 1000 will at the very least power past the 600 after the apex. that is at least.

 

take 2 average riders and through the corner you'll wonder who's on the 1000, coz neither is likely to unlock the true potential of either bike. but when the corner straightens out and it becomes a simple no-skill act of opening throttle, no prize for guessing the winner.

 

class 2 sportsbikes are no joke. without being a proper track veteran dont expect to fully unlock the bike's potential. dont expect to jump on a class 2 sportsbike and immediately find that your bike corners faster than the next fella.

 

and the road is neither safe nor sufficient to fully teach you these skills.

 

i dont mean to sound snobbish. i am not a track veteran. i am only a recreational track goer. track veterans on track make me look like i'm riding an RXK.

[bukitmerah]

take two highly skilled track veterans and the 1000 will at the very least power past the 600 after the apex. that is at least.

 

take 2 average riders and through the corner you'll wonder who's on the 1000, coz neither is likely to unlock the true potential of either bike. but when the corner straightens out and it becomes a simple no-skill act of opening throttle, no prize for guessing the winner.

 

class 2 sportsbikes are no joke. without being a proper track veteran dont expect to fully unlock the bike's potential. dont expect to jump on a class 2 sportsbike and immediately find that your bike corners faster than the next fella.

 

and the road is neither safe nor sufficient to fully teach you these skills.

 

i dont mean to sound snobbish. i am not a track veteran. i am only a recreational track goer. track veterans on track make me look like i'm riding an RXK.

 

many many many thumbs up again! i like the phrases "AFTER the apex" & "no-skill act".

 

may be i am a lousy rider, but i have had McDonald Riders with "backpacks" fly past me around sharp corners when i am in theory on a faster bike than their Spark / Wave. even if i open throttle to past them on the straight ( which i don't do that ), it is no fun & won't help my ego one bit. it is just my bike not me, quite pointless & not to mention the safety issue on the road.

 

so in my humble opinion, you have to be highly skilled to make the true difference felt. So i believe it should be a "natural" progression for one to buy a bigger faster bike when you have "out-grown" & "mastered" the smaller bike. That means lots of "track" work on a smaller "slower" bike, get really "good" & then switching to a bigger one to "progress".

Edited June 21, 2011 by bukitmerah

[Sn0w_MaN]

depend on wat u wan out of ur bike...

 

u wan speed... 1000 is more than enough, in sg u wouldnt be able to use all the gears unless u r on expressway on a non peak hr. For track.. too powerful (personally thinking) unable to fully max out

 

mid range - 600 good for local use, track use depend on wat bike.. bike is not over powerful, able to max out the powerful. Price wise is reasonable. Still have room for mod...

[koxie]

1000 if not you will regret like me

 

LOL..why your 600 no shiok ar?

[nickster]

Does a 600 feel significantly more powerful than a 400?

[Jehuty]

1) Depends on what you want eventually. Buy what you like.

2) As far as track goes, its up to skill....and money.

3) If you play track as well as bring your sportbike for touring, use the 1000.

4) For SG road, Spark or Wave is enough, anything above is more than enough.

[Vonmuck]

Does a 600 feel significantly more powerful than a 400?

 

Inline4 vs Inline4.

 

Yes.

Weight-wise, the 600 weighs almost the same as a 400. (if not even lighter)

 

However horsepower wise is twice as much.

Take note how many modifications and money people spend just to get a small amount increase in horsepower on their cars/bikes.

 

The power-to-weight ratio and torque is way difference.

[Jehuty]

Inline4 vs Inline4.

 

Yes.

Weight-wise, the 600 weighs almost the same as a 400. (if not even lighter)

 

However horsepower wise is twice as much.

Take note how many modifications and money people spend just to get a small amount increase in horsepower on their cars/bikes.

 

The power-to-weight ratio and torque is way difference.

 

400s are mostly bikes from 10-15 years ago leh. Only can think of Super 4s and DRZs being the newer ones.