Jumping from a 2B to class 2 bike

[krp]

I'm considering to switch to a class 2 sports bike from my 150cc motorbike, but I'm afraid the weight and power differences might be too much to handle and I might crash the class 2 bike after I ride out from the motor shop or sometime soon after I start riding it.

 

Anyone with a similar experience of upgrading past class 2A before? Advisable to skip 2A or better to slowly progress through the classes?

[papabread79]

just buy the class 2. if u crash, blame urself, not the bike.

[Wayang]

not advisable at all.. 2a is a good platform to train how to handle a class 2 bike.. if u wanna save money get a cheap 2a bike

[xiaoviper]

Yup, not advisable. Many Americans do it though, just look up videos. Most of them start first bike 600cc. Many have failed though, I have heard over many youtube videos, but yeah... slowly upgrade is the way to go as I have heard/seen from many experienced riders/friends over the internet, and on SBF (i guess) .

 

Good luck though! But you got the license already should be okay lah. USA just take bike license then can go on 600cc already, we need to take 2B 2A 2, so a bit different story.

No hurry take your time...

[ticks]

Bro i would also advise against jumping from 2b to class 2 straightaway for some people. But from what i read in how u ask the question i judge that u have already considered what can go wrong by doing that. The obvious difference in power is one that demands your respect.

 

When i took my drz after using cbr150 the power did really surprise me. I cautiously tried full bore on the bike( with FCR) and sensed that it could actually throw me off the bike while accelerating. From then on i respected the power and very rarely use full bore unless i am really really confident there's nothing i would crash into.

 

So with you, i think as long as you are cautious on the bike's power you should be fine. One friend who drives a track oriented car told me once that beginners will always reach their limit of talents first before reaching the limit of the vehicle's ability.

 

Ride within your ability and you'll be alright. Just my humble opinion.

 

Ride Safe!

[ludacris10]

It can be done. Just how well you can control your throttle hand

[papabread79]

  ludacris10 said:

It can be done. Just how well you can control your throttle hand

U get my like!

 

Only in this country we have to take 3 licences just to ride a 600cc bike!

[GSR00]

Its e rider, not the Machine... just ride slow from start...

 

A girl can just ride CLass 2 after she pass without riding a 2B and 2A on the road b4. Y cant u?

[krp]

  GSR^00^ said:

Its e rider, not the Machine... just ride slow from start...

 

A girl can just ride CLass 2 after she pass without riding a 2B and 2A on the road b4. Y cant u?

up la........

[Shockard]

Depends on your control really. I jumped from a KR to an R6. Then again, the power difference wasn't as amazing as I thought. Tried 1000s before when I was still riding my KR, not much of an issue too. It really is all about your throttle control. And if you pass your class 2, you should have no problems with the weight of the bike.

[Fried Rice]

im hopping to jump straight to a cls 2 bike in the future if the situation permits

[Hydher]

  krp said:

I'm considering to switch to a class 2 sports bike from my 150cc motorbike, but I'm afraid the weight and power differences might be too much to handle and I might crash the class 2 bike after I ride out from the motor shop or sometime soon after I start riding it.

 

Anyone with a similar experience of upgrading past class 2A before? Advisable to skip 2A or better to slowly progress through the classes?

 

If you pass the licence, you are more than capable.

Believe in yourself.

[crazydj]

I say go ahead. But make sure you need some time on your hands to practice first. Not like, "Oh today i get my bike, tomorrow i ride to work." 600cc different from 150cc. Very big difference.

[fatboypin]

I went one step further... I got my Class 2 bike already while my TP is in Dec... My friend is currently warming up the bike (legally, as a named rider) for my pending graduation...

 

Like what someone had mentioned below, if you clear your Class 2 TP, you should be more than capable to handle the big bikes. You would have ample practice during the course itself and will be well aware of the sudden surge in power when transiting from 2B to 2.

 

On the other hand, it is the other way that needed some adjustment. Whenever Class 2 lessons are over and when I get onto my 2B bike, I usually feel as though I am not moving at all. And the throttle seems to be unresponsive!

 

Good luck and ride safe!

[Jehuty]

I think you guys are confusing riding with riding well.

 

Never ride 2B or 2A before then ride 600cc still can ride but can he ride it hard?

 

Anyone can ride fast in straights, anyone can ride at 100km/h but can you go round corners at the same speed? Sometimes **** happens and you need to know how much you can do with the bike.

 

Different bike different, you'll probably take time to learn about the bike. In the meantime, ride safe.

[ChaoPuzzy1968]

  krp said:

I'm considering to switch to a class 2 sports bike from my 150cc motorbike, but I'm afraid the weight and power differences might be too much to handle and I might crash the class 2 bike after I ride out from the motor shop or sometime soon after I start riding it.

 

Anyone with a similar experience of upgrading past class 2A before? Advisable to skip 2A or better to slowly progress through the classes?

 

as long as your love one is ready by you to see the mangle pieces.... you can do anything you want , but if you are afraid and not ready, then don't

 

but you WILL REGRET TO THE END OF YOU LIFE IF YOU DON'T TRY!!!!........

 

fu3k it just ride.....

[gnesnah]

Some are gifted to jump right into big cc bikes early in their riding career, some aren't. Do you know which you belongs to? Not sure than better not rush, you don't want to end your riding career prematurely, there are many years of enjoyable riding ahead. A class 2A bike can also be enjoyable, more fun in the twisties where the fun is unless straight line speed is all that you care about. The higher the horsepower the more unforgiving the ride when mistakes are made. You have to decide for yourself and not count the number aye whom have made a direct transition from class 2B to 2 bike, everbody is different. And when you had to write "but I'm afraid the weight and power differences might be too much to handle and I might crash the class 2 bike after I ride out from the motor shop or sometime soon after I start riding it" in your opening thread then you really shoudn't be considering jumping to a class 2 bike. Ride the bike and not let the bike take you for a ride.

[Jehuty]

Sure it will be alot riskier if you didn't try on class 2A but hell, just do it if you think its right. Besides your s4 is heavier or as heavy as most newer class 2 bikes.

 

As for class 2A, people don't ride class 2A bikes to get used to class 2, sometimes they like it, sometimes because its cheaper to run than class 2 but still have more power where you need it compared to 2B or to trade for a class 2 bike in the future. There's probably no other bike quite like 250cc 2 strokes btw. 500s aren't available here I think.

[hondawavefan]

I went from riding 125z to FZ1..what do you think?

[keyxblade]

I dont see the problem of jump from 2B to class 2 bike. there are some ppl who dont own until bike until they got class 2. just ride slow when u first got the bike and ride on less busy roads. then slowly gradually ride faster abit. change 2b to 2a then class 2 bike change so many times waste money only la. straight away go for the bike of your dreams.

[haoKR]

  hondawavefan said:

I went from riding 125z to FZ1..what do you think?

 

relax la,no need sound so proud right?

 

different people adapt differently.

some more TS is still considering and seeking advise

[haoKR]

  hondawavefan said:

I went from riding 125z to FZ1..what do you think?

 

relax la,no need sound so proud right?

 

different people adapt differently.

some more TS is still considering and seeking advise

[hachi]

Read about it.....

 

Getting ANY modern 600cc sport bike for a first ride is a bad idea (far, far, far worse is a 1000cc). In fact, it may be nothing more than an expensive form of suicide. Here are a few reasons why:

 

1. Knowledge of Subject Matter

When anyone starts something new they find themselves at the most basic point of the "beginner's mind". This is to say that they are at the very start of the learning curve. They are not even aware of what it is that they don't know. A personal example of this is when I began Shotokan Karate. The first day of class I had no idea what an "inside-block" was, let alone how to do it with correct form, power, and consistency. After some time, and a lot of practice, I could only then realize how bad my form really was. Then, and only then, was I able to begin the process of improving it. I had to become knowledgeable that inside-blocks even existed before I was aware that I could not do them correctly. I had to learn what the correct elements of inside-block were, before I realized that I did not have those elements. After I learned, I was then able to aspire towards the proper elements. This example is to illustrate the point that it takes knowledge OF something in order to understand how that something works, functions, performs, etc. Now lets return to the world of motorcycles. A beginner has NO motorcycle experience. They are not even aware of the power, mistakes, handling, shifting, turning dynamics etc. of any bike, let alone a high performance sport bike. Not only does the beginner lack the SKILL of how to ride a motorcycle, they also lack the knowledge of WHAT skills they need to learn. Acquiring those skills comes only with experience and learning from mistakes. As one moves through the learning curve they begin to amass new information...they also make mistakes. A ton of them.

 

2. The Learning Curve

While learning to do something, your first efforts are often sloppy and full of mistakes. Without mistakes the learning process is impossible. A mistake on a sport bike can be fatal. The things new riders need to learn above all else is smooth throttle control, proper speed, and how to lean going into turns. A 600cc bike can reach 60mph in about 3 to 5 seconds. A simple beginners mishap with that much power and torque can cost you your life (or a few limbs) before you even knew what happened. Grab a handful of throttle going into a turn and you may end up crossing that little yellow line on the road into on-coming traffic...**shudder**. Bikes that are more forgiving of mistakes are far safer (not to mention, more fun) to learn on.

Ask yourself this question; in which manner would you rather learn to walk on a circus high-wire (1) with a 4x4 board that is 2 feet off the ground (2) with a wire that is 20 feet off the ground? Most sensible people would choose (1). The reason why is obvious. Unfortunately safety concerns with a first motorcycle aren't as apparent as they are in the example above. However, the wrong choice of what equipment to learn on can be just as deadly, regardless of how safe, careful, and level-headed you intend to be.

 

3. "But I Will be Safe, Responsible, and Level-Headed While Learning".

Sorry, but this line of reasoning doesn't cut it. To be safe you also need SKILL (throttle control, speed, leaning, etc). Skill comes ONLY with experience. To gain experience you must ride in real traffic, with real cars, and real dangers. Before that experience is developed, you are best suited with a bike that won't severely punish you for minor mistakes. A cutting edge race bike is not one of these bikes.

Imagine someone saying, "I want to learn to juggle, but I'm going to start by learning with chainsaws. But don't worry. I intend to go slow, be careful, stay level-headed, and respect the power of the chainsaws while I'm learning". Like the high-wire example, the proper route here isn't hard to see. Be "careful" all you want, go as "slow" as you want, be as "cautious" as you want, be as "respectful" as you want...your still juggling chainsaws! The "level-headed" thing to do in this situation is NOT to start with chainsaws. Without a foundation in place of HOW to juggle there is only a small level of safety you can aspire towards. Plain and simple, it's just better to learn juggling with tennis balls than it with chainsaws. The same holds true for learning to ride a motorcycle. Start with a solid foundation in the basics, and then move up. Many people say that "maturity" will help you be safe with motorcycles. They are correct. However, maturity has NOTHING to do with learning to ride a motorcycle. Maturity is what you SHOULD use when deciding what kind of bike to buy so that you may learn to ride a motorcycle safely.

 

4. "I Don't Want a Bike I'll Outgrow"

Please. Did your Momma put you in size 9 shoes at age 2? Get with the program. It is far better to maximize the performance of a smaller motorcycle and get "bored" with it than it is to mess-up your really fast bike (not mention messing yourself up) and not being able to ride at all. Power is nothing without control.

 

5. "I Don't Want to Waste Money on a Bike I'll Only Have for a Short Period of Time" (i.e. cost)

Smaller, used bikes have and retain good resale value. This is because other sane people will want them as learner bikes. You'll prolly be able to sell a used learner bike for as much as you paid for it. If you can't afford to upgrade in a year or two, then you definitely can't afford to wreck the bike your dreaming about. At the very least, most new riders drop bikes going under 20MPH, when the bike is at its most unstable periods. If you drop your brand new bike, fresh off the showroom floor, while your learning (and you will), you've just broken a directional, perhaps a brake or clutch lever, cracked / scrapped the fairings ($300.00 each to replace), messed-up the engine casing, messed-up the bar ends, etc. It's better and cheaper to drop a used bike that you don't care about than one you just spent $8,500 on. Fortunately, most of these types of accidents do not result in serious physical injury. It's usually just a big dent in your pride and...

 

6. EGO.

Worried about looking like chump on a smaller bike? Well, your gonna look like the biggest idiot ever on your brand new, but messed-up bike after you've dropped it a few times. You'll also look really dumb with a badass race bike that you stall 15 times at a red light before you can get into gear. Or even better, how about a nice R6 that you can't ride more than 15mph around a turn because you don't know how to counter-steer correctly? Yeah, your gonna be really cool with that bike, huh? Any real rider would give you props for going about learning to ride the *correct* way (i.e. on a learner bike). If you're stressed about impressing someone with a "cool" bike, or embarrassed about being on smaller bike, then your not "mature enough" to handle the responsibility of ANY motorcycle. Try a bicycle. After you've grow-up ("matured"), revisit the idea of something with an engine.

 

7. "Don't Ask for Advice if You Don't Want to Hear a Real Answer".

 

 

A common pattern:

 

1. Newbie asks for advice on a 1st bike (Newbie wants to hear certain answers)

 

2. Experienced riders advise Newbie against a 600cc bike for a first ride (this is not what Newbie wanted to hear).

 

3. Newbie says and thinks, "Others mess up while learning, but that wont happen to me" (as if Newbie is invincible, holds superpowers, never makes mistakes, has a "level head", or has a skill set that exceeds the majority of the world, etc).

 

4. Experienced riders explain why a "level head" isn't enough. You also need SKILL, which can ONLY be gained via experience. (Newbie thinks he has innate motorcycle skills.)

 

5. Newbie makes up excuses as to why he is "mature" enough to handle a 600cc bike". (skill drives motorcycles, not maturity)

 

6. Newbie, with no knowledge about motorcycles, totally disregards all the advice he asked for in the first place. (which brings us right back to the VERY FIRST point I made about "knowledge of subject matter").

 

7. Newbie goes out and buys a R6, CBR, GSX, 6R, etc. Newbie is scared of the power. Being scared of your bike is the LAST thing you want. Newbie gets turned-off to motorcycles, because of fear, and never gets to really experience all the fun that they can really be. Or worse, Newbie gets in a serious accident.

 

8. The truth of the matter is that Newbie was actually never really looking for serious advice. What he really wanted was validation and / or approval of a choice he was about to make or already had made. When he received real advice instead of validation he became defensive about his ability to handle a modern sport bike as first ride (thus defending the choice he had made). Validation of a poor decision isn't going to replace scratched bodywork on your bike. It isn't going put broken bones back together. It isn't going graft shredded skin back onto your body. It isn't going to teach you to ride a motorcycle the correct way. However, solid advice from experienced riders, when heeded, can help to avoid some of these issues.

 

I'm not trying to be harsh. I'm being real. Look all over the net. You'll see veteran after veteran telling new riders NOT to get a 600cc bike for a first ride. You'll even see pros saying to start small. Why? Because we hate new riders? Because we don't want others to have cool bikes? Because we want to smash your dreams? Nothing could be further from the truth. The more riders the better (assuming there not squids)! The reason people like me and countless others spend so much time trying to dissuade new riders from 600cc bikes is because we actually care about you. We don't want to see people get hurt. We don't want to see more people die in senseless accidents that could have been totally avoided with a little logic and patients. We want the "sport" to grow in a safe, healthy, and sane way. We want you to be around to ride that R6, CBR600RR, GSX-1000, Habayasu, etc that you desire so badly. However, we just want you to be able to ride it in a safe manner that isn't going to be a threat to yourself or others. A side note, you may see people on the net and elsewhere saying "600cc bike are OK to start with". Look a bit deeper when you see this. The vast majority of people making these statements are new riders* themselves. If you follow their advice you've entered into a situation of the blind leading the blind. This is not something you want to do with motorcycles. You may also hear bike dealers saying that a 600cc is a good starter bike. They are trying to make money off you. Don't listen. *(I consider anyone with under 30,000 miles a noobie)

[hachi]

Double posts............

[Jehuty]

Remember, even the best fall, what more a newbie on a powerful bike? Remember Simoncelli. RIP. The roads are already dangerous enough with bad drivers, PRCs and banglas on bicycles, PRCs and banglas driving vehicles, MAFAKING taxis etc.

 

I believe the only way to skill up is to ride a bike like it was meant to be ridden or you'll never know...once in a while. In the end the decision is up to you, its your life anyway.