Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[Isopropyl]

Sadly to say that no workshops want to sell it because this oil is that good it won't make their customers come back for servicing because then they won't make money not servicing vehicles.

 

so far which shops have you approached for them to carry the product? how did they know the product is so good that they rejected carrying it due to the above mentioned reason?

 

any ASTM test done that can be verified? a quick search show me it is relatively unknown comapny that operate in Asia. it claim to meet API standard while not certified although alot of small oil company did that too to avoid paying for the cost of certification.

 

i sorry to say but it sound very much like magic juice to me without a good track record and evidence of the "do not need servicing" claim. more evidence other then those youtube video will be helpful.

[Isopropyl]

A little lazy to DIY anymore because spark plug changes and oil changes are not so straight forward anymore.

3L of oil gets messy without the right equiptments too when draining and then have to transport to the shop to be eco friendly.

 

Penzoil fastrac is getting my money next.

 

Personally, i feel that for 2b bikes that uses 1L of oil, should be changed pretty often. 2000 - 3000 km. These engines, you can feel alot of difference with the oil that you are using.

However, for bikes that uses 2L and up, every 5000km.

 

Might be an overkill to some but im not a science guy and neither do i see the financial benefit and sending them for an oil analysis. Have you seen the condition of the oil when they change them? Damn.. Take my money motorman.

Ill stick to this digits. Thats servicing every 4 months for me.

 

Needless to say, look after your Oil levels. Always follow the manual recommendations when filling up, Check the dipstick in constant intervals.

You wouldnt go wrong.

 

Overfilling the oil might bust your gaskets and running too little oil will lead to engine failure.

 

Ive read from an Amsoil Oil rep that changing between semi and fully synthetic is alright.

but i was thinking.. If i was a short interval change guy it probabbly wouldnt matter. But i would come to think that synthetics stays awesome longer.

 

But all this marketing got me thinking that semi synthetic is poison to my ride. They are priced pretty close too.

 

i am changing at the interval of 2,000km now for my little bike. my gut feeling and educated guess is telling me most likely it can go further. UOA is an small investment for saving in the long run. if the test tell me i can run the oil to 6,000km as the manual recommend, i have triple my OCI. that will give good saving in the long run. also, it might tell me running mineral oil is as good as it more expensive conter part. i think all of these is potential long term saving. frankly, i am just too lazy to go through all these:cheeky: a good and stout dino oil, and as you suggest keeping the OCI reasonable is good enough for me. in another way, keeping your oil as long as possible might be better for your engine. there are evidence that "old" oil show less wear then fresh oil. it could be that some anti-wear chemistry need time for it to activate. for example, one of the most popular anti-wear is ZDDP. some suggest that it is the broken down by-product that actually do most of the anti-wear and anti-oxidant.

 

it should be safe to switch around brands and type of oil. but i will suggest to stick to something similar that you found comfortable with. although i don't think it matter much in real life, we want to minimise altering the chemistry in the oil. seriously, after reading up on oil, i really can't find much benefit in using full synthetic for most common rider. it good and fun as a discussion but as you have found out, semi-synthetic is good enough:thumb:

Edited September 2, 2012 by Isopropyl

[bengie]

I have tried many brands of oils ranging from car oils to motul. the most recent is chex, penzoil n agip all fully syn. in my 5years of riding of this cups, I have always trottle a lot when I need speed for pick up during changing lanes as it is only a cup with slow pick ups.finally clicking sound become loud on a traffic light one day n I did an top overhaul as recommended by mechanic. only 5 years need top overhaul already and I always use fully syn oil. shd I not to change oil brands too frequently? issit just wear n tear? I have never stick to a brand of oil but every 2k I changed to a fully syn oil. any advise from u all guys? and pardon me if my English is not good. kkk..

[naim]

Different engine oils shouldnt be a cause. As long as it has good lubricating properties (most well known brands) shud be fine.

 

Clicking sound not necessarily top overhaul. Usually its just ur timing chain loose (either change the tensioner or change the chain) or could be ur valve clearance off already. Overhaul only wen u see alot of smoke wen u rev d engine.

[Isopropyl]

I have tried many brands of oils ranging from car oils to motul. the most recent is chex, penzoil n agip all fully syn. in my 5years of riding of this cups, I have always trottle a lot when I need speed for pick up during changing lanes as it is only a cup with slow pick ups.finally clicking sound become loud on a traffic light one day n I did an top overhaul as recommended by mechanic. only 5 years need top overhaul already and I always use fully syn oil. shd I not to change oil brands too frequently? issit just wear n tear? I have never stick to a brand of oil but every 2k I changed to a fully syn oil. any advise from u all guys? and pardon me if my English is not good. kkk..

 

changing brand of oil should not cause damage for your bike. just that the oil might not perform to it best. say for example, a kup oil capacity is 1150ml. each change of oil is 800ml. so you see, there is still plenty of oil from another brand. although what i mention above is true but in real world performance, there is really nothing to shout about. to the point of damaging the engine rarely happen. but in theory, it might. let take a common ingredient in oil for example. Boron is an AW and EP additive in engine oil normally added in the range of 0.5% to 2%. out of that range, might cause increase in wear. as mention, such chance is remote.

 

i will prefer not to use the number of years on the bike as gauge. if you are using distance, that will give a better picture. one of my friend owned his bike for 6years and have only traveled 30,000km plus which i covered in 1.5years. you see the big different?

 

all machine is not designed to operate at 100% of their capacity at most of the time. a kup is mean to be ride like a kup but not super 4. a top over haul is fine in 5years if you have traveled or abuse your machine a lot. it could be problem like naim had mentioned. some people do it yearly just to maintain their bike in best condition. if you are doing a full overhaul, that might be a problem.

[Les_Hermano]

Sadly to say that no workshops want to sell it because this oil is that good it won't make their customers come back for servicing because then they won't make money not servicing vehicles.

 

But your product can't compete with ZX1 that selling at Biketech. 100% confirmed, pay more for quality oils not paying less on cheap oils. Even u selling in low price than your product are uoa. Of course shop won't take because it was cheap better get snell 4L or voltronic oils than buy additives revooil that selling at extreme motor. Performance are way better than your product.

[Les_Hermano]

True, this product wasn't tested in other region it only being tested in asia. Better be more cautious on selecting cheap quality oils. Workshop afraid because if anything happens to customers bike whom to blame? If he can offer you insurance damage than can consider of buying his cheap oils.

[Les_Hermano]

Its by order only.. Any shop selling..?

 

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From what i've browse in the facebook, his singapore automotive page doesn't have the marketing rights.. Beware of buying from unknown stranger, suggest buying from biketech 21 as they are genuine.

[Les_Hermano]

Hold your horses there Les_Hermano. Why so much hatred? Have you tried the oil or see any of it first hand before giving all false comments? If you haven't then I don't think it's a nice thing to insult. You can give suggestions and i'm sure all of us here are open to suggestions. But insulting and giving false comments without any investigating is unpleasant.

 

It's true i haven't seen that cheap quality oils that you've try to marketing in facebook but before you post and giving suggestion, pls do more research of other brands. As in malaysia the best additives that managed to controlled the entire market is Revooil and even thou some shops in singapore are selling this product. It really work, best recommendation for bikers Revooil or ZX1. Magic juice product from singapore i don't think so.. Cheers!

[shahrul_azmil3]

Alinho

 

I have no problem testing oil from different source. Even Mspglobal is selling something that claims revolutionary. They have lots of info to back thier products.

 

Most of your oils state that it can be used on cars and bikes which is quite rare to see.

 

- What is written on the wall, is it the same as what's written on the back packaging?

 

- You state u seen its demo in a factory. They have a factory in singapore?

 

- increase oil change interval mileage. 3x. Thats quite a no. Is it proven? Has it been tested? As engine is very critical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Azmil Sempit

[Isopropyl]

There are a few distributors here in Singapore and one of them is Biketech fyi. Well I personally went to see the demonstration at the factory. They showed the demo like how it's done in the youtube video. It really shows that this oil is made with the latest technology. It has this new technology which is called MTT (Metal Treatment Technology) which is known to coats all metal surfaces with an ionized micro-layer of oil molecules and hardens the metal.

 

If you look at their website thoroughly under certificates, you can find that it is certified by TUV SUD and other certifications.

 

Well, i'm just trying to help you protect your engine. If I can save cost with the reduction of my fuel consumption by 10%-20%, extends oil change 3 times and feel the smoothness and engine performance, you can have that privilege too. It's up to you though. I'm just recommending and this Facebook page sells the cheapest compared to the other retailers and website.

 

https://www.facebook.com/SingaporeAutomotive

 

you mean the "one arm bandit" test?

 

check this link

[bengie]

alinho, 3x of oil change is really a lot. for my kup, I change oil at 2k or less than that. if it is 3x means I can go until 6k....even my ex 2a n 2 bikes I change oil at around 5k sometimes 6k and it can reach 15k-18k? it will really b a wowwww product to use. how many oil change have you done? hmmm I maybe interested. I am just a bit worried about the specs. LOL

[superspeed123]

It's true i haven't seen that cheap quality oils that you've try to marketing in facebook but before you post and giving suggestion, pls do more research of other brands. As in malaysia the best additives that managed to controlled the entire market is Revooil and even thou some shops in singapore are selling this product. It really work, best recommendation for bikers Revooil or ZX1. Magic juice product from singapore i don't think so.. Cheers!

 

Dun waste time with Revo-oil . Does not work at all on my previous FZ1. Now using X1R engine treatment and I can really feel engine more smoother than before .

[Les_Hermano]

Dun waste time with Revo-oil . Does not work at all on my previous FZ1. Now using X1R engine treatment and I can really feel engine more smoother than before .

 

Thanks fyi, X1R there's one shop at tampines industrial blk 9000++ this shop same row with ktm shop they still kept x1r selling cheap if u want to buy just look for amir.

[Les_Hermano]

alinho, 3x of oil change is really a lot. for my kup, I change oil at 2k or less than that. if it is 3x means I can go until 6k....even my ex 2a n 2 bikes I change oil at around 5k sometimes 6k and it can reach 15k-18k? it will really b a wowwww product to use. how many oil change have you done? hmmm I maybe interested. I am just a bit worried about the specs. LOL

 

Bengie, i think you ended up 3x engine overhaul after using that product alinho introduce.. LOL

[shahrul_azmil3]

So Alinho,

 

So u wont defend urself? So is others saying is fact? This is a discussion so no need to be shy.

 

 

 

 

xp

 

 

Azmil rempit

[duo]

So Alinho,

 

So u wont defend urself? So is others saying is fact? This is a discussion so no need to be shy.

 

 

 

 

xp

 

 

Azmil rempit

Perhaps he is marketing it hence the product push.

[shahrul_azmil3]

I goggle it and youtube it.

 

All the video are the same with same equipment used. Of coz lar since its a demo vid it looks very convincing.

 

Google comes out only singapore website.

 

Coz if it claims 2x the servicing interval then i would be bought but 3x up. As it really been testing on an engine?

 

As engine are more then juz one roller bearing test in the youtube videos.

 

 

 

 

xp

 

 

Azmil rempit

[duo]

I goggle it and youtube it.

 

All the video are the same with same equipment used. Of coz lar since its a demo vid it looks very convincing.

 

Google comes out only singapore website.

 

Coz if it claims 2x the servicing interval then i would be bought but 3x up. As it really been testing on an engine?

 

As engine are more then juz one roller bearing test in the youtube videos.

 

 

 

 

xp

 

 

Azmil rempit

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[bengie]

Bengie, i think you ended up 3x engine overhaul after using that product alinho introduce.. LOL

 

I have not got it . till now no ppl other than alinho tried it. my engine just did top service so I am not ready for that oil yet. i will take any cheapest fully syn oil from bike shop when I reach 2k. I would not like to wait for another half day or full day for another engine job.

[Isopropyl]

recently i just read about engine being hotter is more efficient. of course it must be within it operating range. let say for example, if an engine operating temperature is between 80-90C, will the engine perform better if it is closer to it upper operation temperature?

 

a engine below it operating temperature often result in poorer FC and higher engine wear. therefore thermostat in engine normally is set above 80C for the engine to heat up as soon as possible before releasing coolant to the engine.

[revhappy]

recently i just read about engine being hotter is more efficient. of course it must be within it operating range. let say for example, if an engine operating temperature is between 80-90C, will the engine perform better if it is closer to it upper operation temperature?

 

a engine below it operating temperature often result in poorer FC and higher engine wear. therefore thermostat in engine normally is set above 80C for the engine to heat up as soon as possible before releasing coolant to the engine.

 

That is correct. Thats why they say, short journeys are not good for FC, because it takes time for the engine to build up its temperature and after that it is running smooth. Few long journeys are better than lot of short journeys from efficiency perspective.

 

But I dont think, it matters upper or lower range, as long as the engine is heated up enough it should perform efficiently.

 

Just to give illustration, if your bike has rpm meter, you will know this. If you set idle rpm at 1.4k and then ride for like 5 kms and then the idle rpm automatically goes up and its like 1.7 to 1.8k rpm. Now if you do some hard highway riding your idle rpm will go to 2k rpm, at this point you notice that your throttle response is much better and the bike goes wrooooom wrooom, compared to the early morning throttle response

Edited September 30, 2012 by revhappy

[Isopropyl]

That is correct. Thats why they say, short journeys are not good for FC, because it takes time for the engine to build up its temperature and after that it is running smooth. Few long journeys are better than lot of short journeys from efficiency perspective.

 

But I dont think, it matters upper or lower range, as long as the engine is heated up enough it should perform efficiently.

 

Just to give illustration, if your bike has rpm meter, you will know this. If you set idle rpm at 1.4k and then ride for like 5 kms and then the idle rpm automatically goes up and its like 1.7 to 1.8k rpm. Now if you do some hard highway riding your idle rpm will go to 2k rpm, at this point you notice that your throttle response is much better and the bike goes wrooooom wrooom, compared to the early morning throttle response

 

i read that some vechical owner purposely change their thermostat to open at slightly higher temperature for better performance.

 

i read a study before if the temperature is below 82C, engine wear rate start to increase sharply. therefore, it recommend not to idle the bike for warm up but just let the oil circulate for a moment and ride it straight away but be easy on the engine for the first few kilometers. this help bring the temperature up faster and hence reduce wear.

 

recently i just flush my cooling system and wash the radiator fins abit. replaced the coolant with redline water wetter + distilled water mix. i notice the FC increased slightly. i am guessing whether it is due to the bike running cooler which i think not likely. but it a interesting read. haha...

[revhappy]

For engine oil I am using Motul 5100 15W50 bought at powerwheel for 16$. I am actually ok with mineral oil also, but I found that Powerwheel for some reason selling this Motul 5100 for like below market price, all other places sell at 18$++, so just got it. My monthly riding is 500 kms and I am sure this oil will last me 3k kms. So my oil change frequency is 6 months. So boring to wait so long to change oil , lol

[Isopropyl]

For engine oil I am using Motul 5100 15W50 bought at powerwheel for 16$. I am actually ok with mineral oil also, but I found that Powerwheel for some reason selling this Motul 5100 for like below market price, all other places sell at 18$++, so just got it. My monthly riding is 500 kms and I am sure this oil will last me 3k kms. So my oil change frequency is 6 months. So boring to wait so long to change oil , lol

 

hehe... i understand your feeling. that why i have problem holding on above 2,000km alothough i know it is fine. damn! i need a doctor:cry: