400cc bikes and above

[IDevil]

When turning, the contact area of the tires for 2a bike are more compared to 200cc bike with small tires.

 

My friend was asking me to change to super 4 (2a bike) asap after one year because he says larger bike is less likely to skid when turning on wet road (rain) thus safer.

 

So I suppose 400cc and above bike is safer because the tires are wider and larger?

[Aust]

I should say 'It all depends on the rider'. The machine won't move unless the rider controls it dude.

[zod]

Originally posted by Aust@March 06, 2007 11:11 pm

I should say 'It all depends on the rider'. The machine won't move unless the rider controls it dude.

he forgot to add "assuming same rider"

[IDevil]

 

so 2a bike doesn't offer better turning and corning?

I'm not talking about the rider, talking about the machine

[operator]

If there's a larger surface area for contact, of coz there's better grip.

[SMR]

Don't forget that there's also 2B bikes which can also do better cornering...

[dong]

u shld change to hornet or gsr instead when u get ur 2a; they have cls2 size 180 tyres.

 

wider tyres are indeed safer.

[Bensim]

For me it depend on the rider not the Bike and wat kind of tires u use. I handle 2B better then Cl2 and i think it same goes to alot rider. Yes by right it more safer. But it more hard to handle for bigger bike due to weight and power. CheerS.

[Me_No_Money]

not really loh.

[ahsnow]

corner 2B will be better small n light weight i think but for 400 cc bike corner is a bit........ but braking wise i think bigger bike is better

[sfowner]

Assuming rider has good riding sense, a little more power on a slightly bigger bike like 2A is better... got me out of difficult situations, a little more weight gives stability n bigger bike slightly more presence on the road. IMHO

[Tourer]

Bigger bikes tend to give you better braking confidence due to its stiffer suspension setups that give you more handling feedback and their brakes are usually responsive. Then again, when the tyres are bigger, the weight is also heavier, it is quite relatively the same for smaller bikes actually.

[Gal_SGRider]

its the rider... no matter wat machine you use it all depends on the rider... a reckless rider will always be dangerous with any machine and a safe rider will be safer on any machine...

 

if a rider can handle a bigger machine and feels that its safer by all means... but do not forget with bigger sized everything, the engine is also bigger and have more power... on the good side can get out of sticky situations but on the bad side the rider might speed...

 

while a smaller bike is smaller in everything, it is also lighter and easier to handle...

[operator]

We can't really comment on rider since thread starter only wants to compare bikes only wat. Of coz, a safe and competent rider makes riding safe and easy regardless of bike class.

 

Assuming that rider is competent in both small and big bike. Then I would have to say:

1) Bigger bikes have more grip on road due to heavier and having bigger tire.

2) Bigger bike have more braking force since alot of them have double or bigger front disc brake

3) Heavier bikes attribute to stability against cross winds

[zod]

So with the same rider, will he be safer on a 2b, 2a or cl2 bike?

It's not the same.

 

Since the threadstarter want to compare bikes, then we have to assume same rider. If want to compare rider, why not open a new thread.

[Me_No_Money]

Originally posted by zod@March 07, 2007 01:47 pm

So with the same rider, will he be safer on a 2b, 2a or cl2 bike?

It's not the same.

 

Since the threadstarter want to compare bikes, then we have to assume same rider. If want to compare rider, why not open a new thread.

beyond godlike

[keratsini]

In general the bigger the bike is, the safer it is.

 

The above rule applies when you're comparing the bikes under same conditions. What I mean is that, when you are riding for example at 100km/hr on a 1000cc and on a 200cc bike, of course the 1000cc is far safer because the bike is build to handle far greater speeds, while the 100km/hr for a 200cc bike might be its top speed.

 

Thefore if you're comparing bikes under same conditions, then yes the bigger the bike the safer it is.

 

If you are generaly comparing the buikes basis on their maximum performance, then I could say that, all are the same.

 

+ + +

 

I would rather compare which bikes design is safer. That especialy applies on calss 2b bikes. For example scooters are the worst bikes in the safety department. The reason being because the Center of Gravity is too high (abt the high of the seat) and the wheels at too small compare with the bike's size. They are qute and nice but demand respect and sensible handling.

 

Sorry to those that own scooters but that's the reality. I used to own one and I was very satisfied with it but the fact did not change that, scooters (vespas etc etc) are the worst designs as far are the safety is conserned.

 

Cheers

[IDevil]

Thank you very much for all the inputs

[xxes123]

4- stroke bike are safer in the sense that there are much lesser risk of piston jammed problems compared to 2 stroke 2 B bikes..

 

But for handling and braking 2B bikes like Aprilia rs125 and mito can outbrake and have better cornering compared to some of the 2A bikes eg CBR400 with 2 2-piston front caliper but they compensate with much stronger engine brake

 

 

If u wan safer top-end speed and high-speed handling , 2A and 2 definety better due to the larger engine displacement and weight

[Tourer]

In general, more resources have been thrown in to integrate cutting-edge technologies on their higher end bikes which are usually of greater power/bigger engines to cater to the tech-savvy spenders. This is merely a result of fulfilling market demands.

 

In layman analogy, who would buy an underpowered 125 CC bike that is built with homologated race technology that costs over 10s of thousands of dollars? Smaller CC bikes are built in mind to provide poorer kids like me a basic commuting tool, in which they often neglect decent safety features to go along with it. In attempt to cut cost that is. When given the dough, you would put your money on the bike where it's worth spending, which usually equates to bikes with good power, and ofcourse better handling is usually synonymous.

 

Manufacturers wouldn't be making bikes that has got a big engine which is already expensive to build, while not giving it justified handling capabilities. But then again, with keeping the existence of passion-driven European market in mind, it is not difficult to find bikes which are not designed to conform to the mainstream trend of asian demands.

 

A good example would be the new Aprilia RS125, which probably costs more than a brand new Honda Spec III Super 4. Comes out of the box with radial-mounted Brembo brake calipers and 320 mm front brake rotor, 150 width fat rear tyres, light aluminium alloy rims and cast aluminium chassis. I would love to agree with all the opinions proposed above, but not in this context.

 

The argument which bigger bikes coming to instill better confidence might stand valid in general cases, but it is not yet a proven physics-like law, because there are still exceptions like this one that will tell you a small CC is not definitely always an inferior bike. No way the Super 4 is going to outbrake or out-corner the RS in any way, not even my R1 I think. At the very least, that is what I feel.

[SiLvErGhOsT]

Originally posted by IDevil@March 06, 2007 10:24 pm

When turning, the contact area of the tires for 2a bike are more compared to 200cc bike with small tires.

So I suppose 400cc and above bike is safer because the tires are wider and larger?

Hi IDevil,

You are talking about the contact area between the tyre and the road -regardless of the CC of the bike. Contact area is one part how about tyre quality?

 

Manufacturer built each bikes according to the CC, so the tyre for the small CC bike is more then enough to handle its speed and the same goes to the bigger CC bikes.

 

If you use cheap tyres on your bike ~ whether you ride a 1300cc or 125cc you not going to get a good grip between the tyre and the road...say cornering on a wet road.

 

I give you a simple e.g flip flops or slippers - a good quality slippers don't slip compare to those cheap slippers on a wet floor.

 

So please use a good tyres on your bike, paying that extra dollars can make alot differences and not forgetting quality brake pads - Don't save money on this parts.

 

And not forgetting ride according to the bikes' CC, each bikes are built for different purpose racing bikes for race, road bikes are for transport and choppers for crusing around...and there are limitation for all - it all depends on how you use it and how experience you are. You ride a bike according to it's CC, your budget and the reason of why you buy it in the first place...

 

Silverghost...

[OhMiGosh]

but if u wanna compare a super4 and a 2b sportsbike conering.. i tell u 2b sure win.. cause a super4 corner isnt as good as a sportsbike cornering.. but however if want to compare power. then of cus super4 will win.. i can tell u anytime a 2b sportsbike like krr or sp can win a super4 at corners.

[omnislash]

Originally posted by OhMiGosh@March 09, 2007 03:47 am

but if u wanna compare a super4 and a 2b sportsbike conering.. i tell u 2b sure win.. cause a super4 corner isnt as good as a sportsbike cornering.. but however if want to compare power. then of cus super4 will win.. i can tell u anytime a 2b sportsbike like krr or sp can win a super4 at corners.

its the rider.. I've seen super4 conering so much better than a lot of sportsbikes.... in the end, its how the rider merge with the bike.

[Tourer]

Originally posted by omnislash@March 09, 2007 10:30 am

its the rider.. I've seen super4 conering so much better than a lot of sportsbikes.... in the end, its how the rider merge with the bike.

What if we put the rider factor as a constant test variable? Rossi on Super 4 vs Rossi on CBR400 through a series of turns? I think the Sportsbike will still edge out.

[DM]

then again, no one will be able to match rossi's riding standard.