Picking the right tyre for the track.

[Sesshou]

i'm using conti sport attack. grip is good on the street , the tires is quite soft. For track use if you drop the pressure too much, tires will over heat easily. I'm using 34f 34r and everything run find for me. For your ref. i'm slow rider on the track doing 2.15 only:cheeky:

[GuiNNeSS]

But there is adv and disadv of using Supercorsa.

 

Disadv :

 

It takes a long time to warm up. You need to really warm up the tyre before moving off.

Else it will be very Slippery. So pls be careful and take note.

 

Adv :

 

Once tyres heated up, Its super duper fantastic tyres

 

As for the 2CT.

 

Its a plug and play tyre for all scenario.

 

So you wrap your tyres in tyre warmers before moving off?

 

Many people can't ride hard enough to get Supercorsas up to temperature on the track without lowering the pressure to less than 30PSI. At such pressures, one wrong pothole and your rim is gone. You must be a hellva hardcore rider on the street.

[gucci]

i'm using conti sport attack. grip is good on the street , the tires is quite soft. For track use if you drop the pressure too much, tires will over heat easily. I'm using 34f 34r and everything run find for me. For your ref. i'm slow rider on the track doing 2.15 only:cheeky:

 

So you wrap your tyres in tyre warmers before moving off?

 

Many people can't ride hard enough to get Supercorsas up to temperature on the track without lowering the pressure to less than 30PSI. At such pressures, one wrong pothole and your rim is gone. You must be a hellva hardcore rider on the street.

 

how to know if ur tyres gets warmed up/ overheated or not??

[antonioshabirto]

So you wrap your tyres in tyre warmers before moving off?

 

Many people can't ride hard enough to get Supercorsas up to temperature on the track without lowering the pressure to less than 30PSI. At such pressures, one wrong pothole and your rim is gone. You must be a hellva hardcore rider on the street.

 

Yes you are rite. 30 psi is very dangerous.

 

Im using a 2CT at the moment. i dont used any warmers then.

 

I used to ride ard my area before moving off. Im only using this bike on weekend.

 

So i do have lots of time doing it.

 

I am never a hardcore rider. It was just an experience to share.

[antonioshabirto]

how to know if ur tyres gets warmed up/ overheated or not??

 

Ur tires gets kinda sticky.

 

The pressure shouldn't be so low that they allow the carcass to deform and cause handling problems. Also, if the pressure is too low, the tires could overheat and the extra traction being sought will slip away.

 

Increased cornering grip comes at the expense of stability and feel. Lower pressures decrease straight-line stability, and regardless of how talented the rider is, most street bikes spend a high percentage of their time straight up. A side benefit of using the proper pressure is that the front tire will feel more precise and turn in quicker-a good thing during point-and-shoot sessions.

 

Second, you can easily overheat your tires simply riding in a straight line by running the pressure too low. The lower pressure is to ensure a large contact patch, which is created by the carcass flex. The same process happens when you're not cornering.

[gucci]

Ur tires gets kinda sticky.

 

The pressure shouldn't be so low that they allow the carcass to deform and cause handling problems. Also, if the pressure is too low, the tires could overheat and the extra traction being sought will slip away.

 

Increased cornering grip comes at the expense of stability and feel. Lower pressures decrease straight-line stability, and regardless of how talented the rider is, most street bikes spend a high percentage of their time straight up. A side benefit of using the proper pressure is that the front tire will feel more precise and turn in quicker-a good thing during point-and-shoot sessions.

 

Second, you can easily overheat your tires simply riding in a straight line by running the pressure too low. The lower pressure is to ensure a large contact patch, which is created by the carcass flex. The same process happens when you're not cornering.

 

thanks for finally answering my question. so its all based on 'feelings' then?

[antonioshabirto]

thanks for finally answering my question. so its all based on 'feelings' then?

 

no prob. cheers.

 

Best is to have a personal gauge to monitor urself

[Wen gege]

i'm using conti sport attack. grip is good on the street , the tires is quite soft. For track use if you drop the pressure too much, tires will over heat easily. I'm using 34f 34r and everything run find for me. For your ref. i'm slow rider on the track doing 2.15 only:cheeky:

 

 

thanks bro, i went to e conti dealer , went to check with them, they say conti sport attack get warm up easily. how much u got urs? wats 34f 34r? thanks

[effina]

yO Wen, hope it's not too late..

 

I am currently using Conti Sports Attack. That's the only 1 they have for now. They are trying to bring in Conti Race Attack.

 

Prob with Conti Sports is, 1 session of PG and that's it. I was using 32F and 32R pressure for a 65kg fella. Obviously, wasn't a good set-up. Tire pressure is also very much dependant on a person's body weight. I can say 32F and 32R but if my bodyweight is light, then the tire won't flatten down and get full contact.

 

Upon diagnosis from my mech when I crashed in PG on Mon, 2 weeks ago, I was still using that 32F and 32R. I crashed @ T1 right before back straight. I had went over the threads and into the tires sidewall. Therefore, 32F and 32R wasn't a perfect set-up.

 

My mech recommended me 28F and 28R.

 

Conti Sports is good on Track when it's new and thick, after which I would say No No! Cause it overheats easily and loses grip once overheat. 5 rounds of practice and 3 rounds of Track Day was all it took to overheat the tires.. I was dancing with my rear tire when I was on that 3rd round @ T3. Believe me, U won't like the feeling..

 

My best recommend, RaceTech K2 or if U haf the $$$, Mich 2CTs.

 

Conti Sports is a great tire for road, grips well even in rain.. but it won't last long for hard-core tracking.. just my experience.

[Sesshou]

ya i agree the sport attack is a very good road tires. But for hard cord track riding these tires won't hold too good.

 

I saw a few comments on the conti sport attack use on tracks that the tires can't run low psi. recommended to run 35 psi or above. I have try but grip not that good, running 34psi works for me (63 kg)

[GuiNNeSS]

yO Wen, hope it's not too late..

 

I am currently using Conti Sports Attack. That's the only 1 they have for now. They are trying to bring in Conti Race Attack.

 

Prob with Conti Sports is, 1 session of PG and that's it. I was using 32F and 32R pressure for a 65kg fella. Obviously, wasn't a good set-up. Tire pressure is also very much dependant on a person's body weight. I can say 32F and 32R but if my bodyweight is light, then the tire won't flatten down and get full contact.

 

Upon diagnosis from my mech when I crashed in PG on Mon, 2 weeks ago, I was still using that 32F and 32R. I crashed @ T1 right before back straight. I had went over the threads and into the tires sidewall. Therefore, 32F and 32R wasn't a perfect set-up.

 

My mech recommended me 28F and 28R.

 

Conti Sports is good on Track when it's new and thick, after which I would say No No! Cause it overheats easily and loses grip once overheat. 5 rounds of practice and 3 rounds of Track Day was all it took to overheat the tires.. I was dancing with my rear tire when I was on that 3rd round @ T3. Believe me, U won't like the feeling..

 

My best recommend, RaceTech K2 or if U haf the $$$, Mich 2CTs.

 

Conti Sports is a great tire for road, grips well even in rain.. but it won't last long for hard-core tracking.. just my experience.

 

If your tyres overheat at 32/32, wouldn't it overheat even faster at 28/28?

 

Anyway, I feel that riding style on the track should be decided by tyre choice. Continental Sport Attacks are street tyres, same as BT-014, Pirelli Diablo, Avon Vipersport etc. These street tyres are designed to warmup quickly under normal street riding, and can take some hard street riding.

 

But when pushed on the track, they will NOT last long. I run my tyres (Avon and BT-014s) at 34/36. No problems so far, but my pace is limited by my tyres. Track orientated tyres like Diablo Corsa, Pilot Powers etc can take more punishment on the tracks, but shouldn't run on very low pressures either. I used to run my Diablo Corsas at 29/29, but after NoLogic's advice, I upped the pressure to 34/36 and it gripped even better, responded even better, lasted even longer!

 

Of course, street legal race tyres are the best choice for track riding, but I clock 18,000km a year on my "weekend" bike alone, cannot afford to change tyres so often.

[Raptor]

I run Michellin Pilot Powers on my DRZ here.

 

Amazingly, they still grip very well when cold. Its late winter now and the track is cold due to ambient temperatures of 10 degrees C.

 

Pressure settings: Front-22PSI and Rear-23PSI.

 

The tyres warm up very slightly only...but the grip is good enough for simultaneous knee and toe sliding in the fast corners.

 

Wonder how they will fare in PG's tropical heat. Hmmmmm....

 

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/angelo_neo/IMG_1400-2.jpg

[Wen gege]

yO Wen, hope it's not too late..

 

I am currently using Conti Sports Attack. That's the only 1 they have for now. They are trying to bring in Conti Race Attack.

 

Prob with Conti Sports is, 1 session of PG and that's it. I was using 32F and 32R pressure for a 65kg fella. Obviously, wasn't a good set-up. Tire pressure is also very much dependant on a person's body weight. I can say 32F and 32R but if my bodyweight is light, then the tire won't flatten down and get full contact.

 

Upon diagnosis from my mech when I crashed in PG on Mon, 2 weeks ago, I was still using that 32F and 32R. I crashed @ T1 right before back straight. I had went over the threads and into the tires sidewall. Therefore, 32F and 32R wasn't a perfect set-up.

 

My mech recommended me 28F and 28R.

 

Conti Sports is good on Track when it's new and thick, after which I would say No No! Cause it overheats easily and loses grip once overheat. 5 rounds of practice and 3 rounds of Track Day was all it took to overheat the tires.. I was dancing with my rear tire when I was on that 3rd round @ T3. Believe me, U won't like the feeling..

 

My best recommend, RaceTech K2 or if U haf the $$$, Mich 2CTs.

 

Conti Sports is a great tire for road, grips well even in rain.. but it won't last long for hard-core tracking.. just my experience.

 

 

 

thanks for e explanation. went track on track day with my M3, so far so good. not a really track expect, so my tire are not da worst. cuz i spent my time more on rd dan on track. so i m looking for a tire can b use on both. i have oso tot of getting a racetec k2 as a spare tire, can change it when i m goin track, but it ain't cheap for e price to change. heard da chang per time is $30. so when changing back, i have to py another $30. which mean i have to pay $60 for e tire. not worth it. das y i consider other tire like conti spore attack.

[effina]

thanks for e explanation. went track on track day with my M3, so far so good. not a really track expect, so my tire are not da worst. cuz i spent my time more on rd dan on track. so i m looking for a tire can b use on both. i have oso tot of getting a racetec k2 as a spare tire, can change it when i m goin track, but it ain't cheap for e price to change. heard da chang per time is $30. so when changing back, i have to py another $30. which mean i have to pay $60 for e tire. not worth it. das y i consider other tire like conti spore attack.

 

Well, U can get Mich's 2CT. They last quite a while and is definitely TrackDays material.. But U hafta pay for the price, definitely..

 

There's never a perfect tire for long usage on roads yet is for extreme track use. Either U do as what U had tot of, changing tires every time U wanna head down to track or if U really got $$$, get a spare bike.. TrackDays or racing has never been a cheap sport. I have come to terms with that. U can ask hardcore racers, like DocDoL and rein..

 

My mech's trying to bring in to get me to try Conti Race Attack Comp, wanna try how those Conti race tires perform..

[JR Singapore]

Hey Guys,

 

Here's the link to METZELER'S Tyre suitable for Track Riding..

 

http://www.metzelermoto.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/pdf/03%20ME%20Flyer%20Street-E%202007-2.pdf

[kingpet47]

so is the racetech k3 already available here?

[effina]

so is the racetech k3 already available here?

 

 

Bro, why go for the K3 when the K2 is of a higher specs?

 

K2's a race tire whereas K3 is more of the Superbike Super Stock specs..

 

I think more or less it differs in the compounds..

 

K2 probably has a faster tire warm-up time compared to the K3..

[NoLogicOne]

thanks, i think continental attack only got 1 type. i went to search few bike shop. e size is only 120 front, 190 rear. i was wondering is dis typee of tore issit suitable for like track use?? i know abt k2 taceteh na few brand n model are for track, but i would like to find out more of wat are more other brand which we can use for track. thanks.

 

Sports Attack is like Pilot Powers 2CT kind of tyres.

 

http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/contibike/tyres/sportattack.php

 

Just make sure you dun run them at Race tyre pressures. 34F and 36R would be about right. Not I say, but the Tech Rep from Continental said so. I used the Contiforce Max then, Sports Attack took over the Contiforce Max.

 

Wanna race with a Continental? Try these, if they are available in SG.

 

http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/contibike/tyres/raceattack.php

 

All Dot Race tyres knowledges apply on Race Attacks. Problems with Continental is that they used names so similar, many riders get confused.

 

LAB sells Metzeller Racetech K2, Mich Power Race for a good price normally.

 

Hope these helps.

 

And, you could use basically most Sports tyre for track if you are not competitive, just wanna ride for a feel, for fun only. Like you said, it's not about the bike (nor tyres), it's the biker. You just have to spend efforts to research on the tyre pressures for that tyre. Not all tyres behave the same on the same pressure, which will at the end, affect your feel and judgement.

 

It's still the biker afterall.

[NoLogicOne]

Bro, why go for the K3 when the K2 is of a higher specs?

 

K2's a race tire whereas K3 is more of the Superbike Super Stock specs..

 

I think more or less it differs in the compounds..

 

K2 probably has a faster tire warm-up time compared to the K3..

 

K3 would be like the SuperCorsa Pro (no compound selection) that comes stock on the Triumph 695 and Ducati 1098.

 

These sit in between street/trackdays tyres (DC3, PP 2CT, Dunlop Alpha) and Dot Race tyres. World Superstock, is some fast sh|t bro! Dun think anyone of us is riding near that kind of tempo.

 

K3 should be hard compound, while K2 is Medium compound, K1 is Soft, K0 is SuperSoft (qualifying tyres).

 

Bro, I dun quite understand what you mean when you crash because you lean "over the threads". That means you lean over the tyre? Cuz I kindda feel this would happen on a Dot Race if the rider dun hang off and sit out enough.

 

Pirelli and Metzeller (Supercorsa SC2, Diablo SC2, Rennsports RS2, Racetech K2) would give me some 2mm of chicken strip on the front tyre, while Michelin (PowerRace Soft/Med) would leave me no chicken strip on the front, which kindda freaks me out. I felt the PowerRace's front end losing at T8 (weird, at T8), I had my tyres changed after that.

 

I NEVER had my ride height adjusted for different tyres, which could be the reason for the PowerRace experience.

[BackMarker]

Fellas, sorry for my ignorance, been scanning through this discussion and some things dont add up for me.

 

What was discussed:

 

If I have not misunderstood the posts; Track biased tyres (like supercorsas) dont heat up fast enough for normal road usage. So you need to ride it slowly before it gets sticky enough for normal road use. While road biased tyres (like 2CT) heat up faster then track bias tyres.

 

What does not add up:

 

I have seen some road biased tyres and track biased tyres and 1 difference I noticed was the track biased tyres have much less threads on it (ie more rubber patch on road surface) That should mean the track biased tyres should heat up faster than road biased tyres am i right?

 

Another thing is the road bias tyres tend to come with slightly harder compounds so that it lasts longer and the tyres are not subjected to stresses compared to track riding. Also you dont really need that much grip for road riding as compared to track riding beacause more often the bike is straight up (so harder middle compound in the 2CT right?).

 

Track biased tyres have softer compounds to provide the maximum grip quickly and the draw back is that it does not last long. Usually owners of track bikes change their tyres more often then thay change their engine oil. So shouldnt softer compounds on track biased tyres heat up faster then road biased tyres with harder compounds?

 

So, does my blabbering make sense?

[NoLogicOne]

Fellas, sorry for my ignorance, been scanning through this discussion and some things dont add up for me.

 

What was discussed:

 

If I have not misunderstood the posts; Track biased tyres (like supercorsas) dont heat up fast enough for normal road usage. So you need to ride it slowly before it gets sticky enough for normal road use. While road biased tyres (like 2CT) heat up faster then track bias tyres.

 

What does not add up:

 

I have seen some road biased tyres and track biased tyres and 1 difference I noticed was the track biased tyres have much less threads on it (ie more rubber patch on road surface) That should mean the track biased tyres should heat up faster than road biased tyres am i right?

 

Another thing is the road bias tyres tend to come with slightly harder compounds so that it lasts longer and the tyres are not subjected to stresses compared to track riding. Also you dont really need that much grip for road riding as compared to track riding beacause more often the bike is straight up (so harder middle compound in the 2CT right?).

 

Track biased tyres have softer compounds to provide the maximum grip quickly and the draw back is that it does not last long. Usually owners of track bikes change their tyres more often then thay change their engine oil. So shouldnt softer compounds on track biased tyres heat up faster then road biased tyres with harder compounds?

 

So, does my blabbering make sense?

 

Ok, to make it simple, you are not totally wrong.

 

Experience from using Dot Race OTR is that they do give grip when I hit road. They do grip well enuff cold for normal street riding, but they are design to be better and stickier when heat up. So simple to say, using Dot Race OTR when it is dry has plentiful of grip, I dare to say is an overkill for street usuage. Just that during rainy/stormy days, you have to be really careful because DC3, PP2CT, etc would be much better in the wet. The thin grooves are meant for more contact patch in the dry and are weak at channeling out water. Plus Dot Race has no grooves at the edges.

 

OTR, DC3, PP2CT, etc heat up faster with mild riding, without getting onto the edges because of the construction of the tyre carcass, whereas in a track, you get into overheating issues if you are riding these tyres at a pace that is below 2mins in PG. Now this is where Dot Race tyres come to play....they are more than capable to take such extreme heat, and yet not fade because at less than 2min, the rider is going from edge to edge of the tyres, doing hard braking and hard gas acceleration. Dot Race tyres lose heat on the edges during the really long straights. A local racer crashed due to that in Isle of Mann TT.

 

So in simple layman terms, SG street riding when it is dry, Dot Race grips right off because we dun knee down on the streets, plus the tyres feels softer and takes up bumps better. However OTR, I use 35F 40R because it is not track. Track I would use the 30-31 FR rule which works for a slow rider like me. Once you had a chance to ride Dot Race OTR, you would see that it is not so complicated, and yes, you will change tyres more frequently than oil change. Wear is not so bad (for Dot Race) when I did SG-KL round trips using my side-worn Power Race Med/Soft on 35F 40R. But due heat cycle issues (Dot Race not recommended for purely street only because it hardens quick when you heat it up and cool it down frequently), I had the the Power Race replaced right after that KL trip. Side was pretty much used up at PG anyways too.

 

This whole equation gets more complicated in overseas when it is sunny, dry but only 20 Deg C, where I yet to have a chance to use Dot Race OTR. I was riding with a local rider and he was chasing bikers down at 60mph in 2 lanes wide turns, using PP2CT and that kindda freaks me, cuz it was a pretty cold night registering only 15 Deg C, plus I was shivering in my touring jacket. He was grinning that it was okay, and the tyres are great I'm weak.

[Vanz]

Hi all, Im riding cbr400rrr, front 120/60, back 160 or 150 / 60 is better?

mthly 2-3 times visit PG. Any tyres good in Dry&WET&track use?

Seems M3 is a good choice, do i have another choices?

[299]

For better grip on racetrack and better mileage, u can't have the best of two worlds.

[Corse]

Hey Hey... was reading some of the comments posted a few weeks ago.

Just wanna add abt Supercorsa, i dont think it would be good for street riding. It wont be good on the wet ground. But i do know that they are really good on the track.

 

I'm using Diablo Corsa III. They are great.

i support PP2CT as well. Both are great for track and street riding.

1 Day.. i shall try Bridgestone's BT-002. Heard good stuff abt them.

[Corse]

Just Saw the website.

This Tyres looks Tempting to try. Dont think they have 3 compound but then have a another technology callled EPT-Enhanced Patch Technology.

I wonder when Motorworld will bring these in

 

http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/static/images/img_header_dr.jpg

 

http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/static/images/img_benefit.jpg

 

http://www.pirellityre.com/web/motorcycle/diablo_rosso/default.page