Shell own law, very conceited

[MiCmAsTa]

Originally posted by TeePeePhobe@Feb 24 2005, 03:30 AM

"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to

live in the real world."

- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden

 

Tell that to the stupid shell guy next time. Static my ass, this is SGP for crying out loud, relative humidity is 98% and last I check, bikes dun have air con, no dry air env to create static.

I love that Quote....

[TeePeePhobe]

Originally posted by MiCmAsta@Feb 24 2005, 03:40 AM

I love that Quote....

haha cool, I see u have used it for your sig. I almost wanted to do the same. It's a fricking great quote, but do you spot the irony? I think you're bright enough to guess

[cabal]

business. they wouldn't want any accidents (can occur anytime) on their kiosk would they? that will cause much more ppl to avoid their kiosk..

 

anyways not all kiosk enforces that rule...the one at wdlands ave 9 doesn't.

[akapovic1]

I dun like the idea of standing aside,unless make it fair that passengers in 4 wheels alight too.They only mention bikes as bikers r known to be poorer,lowly educated,easily to bully...U only hear ppl with big cars talking about law,complain to CASE,sue u to court and blah blah blah...(Can't afford to offend the rich)I dun realy pump often in S'pore as I go JB once a week,coz stay woodlands and seldom use bike.Tinking of switching to SPC as it is getting stronger,just no rewards systems.

[william_liu]

The only "safety" aspect I can see by making us stand is to avoid getting splashed by petrol if you're c-ock enough to overfill or somehow aim wrong hole while sitting and pumping.

 

And unless your c-ock is a lighted match or cigar, it still won't ignite the petrol anyway.... so I can summise that what Shell is actually trying to do is keep our pants clean for us!

 

C0ckanandens.....

[Lonewolf]

wow I open the post, come back next morning and overnight 54 post and no naked women wow.

 

Anyway lets deal with facts.

 

Fact 1, if it was really so serous Spore Gov being the one of the most paranoid in the world would have already implemented it for all petrol companies. SO why only shell.

 

Fact 2, to each his own whether you like doing it standing or sitting ( pumping petrol lah not anything else), for me to stand I first need to park further away from the pump then stand INBETWEEN THE PUMP AND MY BIKE to pump the petrol.

If I were to stand on the other side of the bike I will have to park nearer bring the pump with hose full of fuel across n over my bike, tahan the tension and at the same time keep it staedy to pump petrol while the bike is leaning because of the stand, I am not going to put down my main stand just to pump petrol my bike a BB weighs over 250kg its no joke to put down main stand. Safety my big fat white, pimply ass.

 

Fact 3, it does not cost Shell a single cent apart frm the sign, but they will look good in the eyes of SCDF and score points with the GOV which I think is the real motive,

never mine about the bikers, 1 cars is worth 3 bikes ( don't start depends on the bike) as I said earlier, the person who came up with this " law " does not ride him or her self but his "degree" makes him correct.

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by TeePeePhobe@Feb 24 2005, 03:30 AM

"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to

live in the real world."

- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden

 

Tell that to the stupid shell guy next time. Static my ass, this is SGP for crying out loud, relative humidity is 98% and last I check, bikes dun have air con, no dry air env to create static.

 

Tell this to some of the SBF-ers here who're always so fooking preachy about "safety".

 

They know who they are.

 

 

Come to think abt it, I'm gonna add that into my siggie with a twist.

[Lonewolf]

OH yeah

 

FACT 4 : I CAN LIVE WITHOUT THEM.

[DM]

@ posters who scoff at safety- can you guarantee that static will not cause an explosion in singapore? do you have the qualifications to run tests on international/ national standards and prove that it won't? all your posts indicate your attempt to look macho and display pure ignorance (*note i used 'ignorance' instead of stupidity)

are you trying to rally support for your cause through the use of bold and bright letters? you do not even have the balls to put your life as a guarantee that static discharge will not ignite petroleum vapors. yes you could type all you want on how much you are sure that such an incident will never happen in singapore but when it does happen, you will have1 of 2 reactions. 1- shrink back into your corner and stfu or 2- try to convince everyone that it was caused by something else.

what i am trying to say is, you cannot guarantee that static electricity discharge cannot ignite petroleum vapors and all you have is your word. in singapore, your word is never good enough, you must back it up with actions and certificates before you run your mouth off like a yapping dog. it might not influence people who can rationalise but it sure as hell will make an impression on people who follow blindly.

 

p.s i don't preach on safety nor do i uphold their values all the time, those were simply my opinions

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by Pierrot@Feb 24 2005, 10:39 AM

@ posters who scoff at safety- can you guarantee that static will not cause an explosion in singapore? do you have the qualifications to run tests on international/ national standards and prove that it won't? all your posts indicate your attempt to look macho and display pure ignorance (*note i used 'ignorance' instead of stupidity)

are you trying to rally support for your cause through the use of bold and bright letters? you do not even have the balls to put your life as a guarantee that static discharge will not ignite petroleum vapors. yes you could type all you want on how much you are sure that such an incident will never happen in singapore but when it does happen, you will have1 of 2 reactions. 1- shrink back into your corner and stfu or 2- try to convince everyone that it was caused by something else.

what i am trying to say is, you cannot guarantee that static electricity discharge cannot ignite petroleum vapors and all you have is your word. in singapore, your word is never good enough, you must back it up with actions and certificates before you run your mouth off like a yapping dog. it might not influence people who can rationalise but it sure as hell will make an impression on people who follow blindly.

 

 

There's no empirical evidence of course, so we will look at circumstantial evidence.

 

Out of the millions of times over the last few decades in local gas stations where countless motorcyclists have sat their asses down on their bikes and tanked up..... how many documented and/or reported evidence have there been of riders having their gonads burnt or blasted off so far?

 

What are the odds?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After determining this, please refer to Ms Shafer again.

[DM]

circumstantial evidence is not 100% accurate just as nobody could anticipate 911. how many terrorists have crashed planes into buildings in an act of martyrdom before 911? ffs, pls read Mary Shafer's quote again and run it through your head. It says 'perfect safety'. this measure that shell implemented is all but perfect. there are countless other issues that can cause ignition but they do not implement it. As for people who think that this is a attempt to look good in the eyes of the singapore gov, you are speaking out of your anal orifice. if you choose to not pump at shell because you don't believe in this safety measure, well don't! just keep in mind that rallying people to support an unjustified cause makes you the leader of a retard cult

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by Pierrot@Feb 24 2005, 11:02 AM

circumstantial evidence is not 100% accurate just as nobody could anticipate 911. how many terrorists have crashed planes into buildings in an act of martyrdom before 911? ffs, pls read Mary Shafer's quote again and run it through your head. It says 'perfect safety'. this measure that shell implemented is all but perfect. there are countless other issues that can cause ignition but they do not implement it. As for people who think that this is a attempt to look good in the eyes of the singapore gov, you are speaking out of your anal orifice.

 

Terrorists ain't exactly an accurate analogy. Accidents and pre-planned incidents don't exactly correlate.

 

Short of the Empirical evidence that you asked for that is sadly lacking (both in and not in favor of this "static electricity accident"), we have to look at Circumstantial evidence. Otherwise, let's just roll a dice.

 

 

As for "looking good in the eyes of the Gahmen"... screw that. This is a matter of overdoing safety to the point of stupid inconvenience. Riding a motorcycle is inherently dangerous, and yet convenience and necessity overrides whatever perceived pretentions of self preservation we have over it. You ARE a biker aren't you? So... straddling my bike while pumping gas is not so different.

 

 

 

Read again Ms Shafer's line. .... please...

 

Indeed.... the keyword is "Perfect". If it were otherwise, we would be smoking or talking on the mobile phone while pumping gas. Those are even more ... how shall we put it... "direct" ways of ensuring toasted gonads.

 

Now static electricity... in our humid climate, the chances of that happening are severely reduced. Not eliminated, but still reduced. And over the last few decades, there have been... again... HOW MANY incidents of fire at the crotch??

 

Pray tell.

[LordDraco]

Well .... personal opinion .... the odds are low to have such case to happen doesnt mean it worth happen.

 

It take one incident to make a big hoha in Singapore.

 

Look at the other point of view, if the Petrol Kiosk doesnt ask for better safety precautions and something happen in the kiosk ... example .. a biker c**k got burn and blah blah blah ... Do you think they wont get sue? Or worst ... pple and media will start to point finger at the operator, gahment for not taking precaution measure and blah blah blah ....

 

Do they point finger at the biker or the consumer ?? Most likely not cause they are the victim ...

 

I use to pump staddle on my S4 but nowsday, I unsaddle and pump. For safety reason or whatever ....

 

Static could happen anywhere ... including suddenly maybe ur handphone in ur pocket gets ringing and somehow cause static charges ....

 

Petroluem is highly combustible fuel and that why it is part of the material to make bombs fyi.

 

It is all up to individual ... some individual take chances, some dont.

 

Just dont live to regret cause u had only 1 life, 1 c**k .... got replacement mah? Nope ....

[DM]

Originally posted by DeusExMachina@Feb 24 2005, 11:09 AM

Terrorists ain't exactly an accurate analogy. Accidents and pre-planned incidents don't exactly correlate.

 

Short of the Empirical evidence that you asked for that is sadly lac.......cades, there have been... again... HOW MANY incidents of fire at the crotch??

 

Pray tell.

that is your opinion and i respect that. i beg to differ for we are not alike. end of discussion.

[youri_17]

Well i think not all shell station implement this rule.Yesterday went to one of the station at Tampines and saw 5 bikers refuelling sitting down.The pump attendances are walking around doing their own stuff so i believe not all station have such rule.

[DeusExMachina]

 

The problem is that too many of you are making it a big issue. Bring in carrying gahmen balls, bring in lawyer scenario, sue here sue there or whatever blah blah sh1tty sh1t sh1t...

 

 

 

But ultimately, all of this can be resolved into an issue of personal choice.

 

Do you LIKE Shell's policy? Can you live with it? Is it inconvenient?

 

Yes? Carry on and stand and pump.

No? Don't pump at Shell. Find another gas station where you can sit and pump. U have alternatives. It's all your personal choice, and whether you wanna take your business to them.

 

Problem solved.

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by Pierrot@Feb 24 2005, 11:26 AM

that is your opinion and i respect that. i beg to differ for we are not alike. end of discussion.

 

Ditto that.

[xiao_p]

Originally posted by DeusExMachina@Feb 24 2005, 11:27 AM

 

The problem is that too many of you are making it a big issue. Bring in carrying gahmen balls, bring in lawyer scenario, sue here sue there or whatever blah blah sh1tty sh1t sh1t...

 

 

 

But ultimately, all of this can be resolved into an issue of personal choice.

 

Do you LIKE Shell's policy? Can you live with it? Is it inconvenient?

 

Yes? Carry on and stand and pump.

No? Don't pump at Shell. Find another gas station where you can sit and pump. U have alternatives. It's all your personal choice, and whether you wanna take your business to them.

 

Problem solved.

itz always never ez to pls

[it wasnt me]

next time....they will ask to produce a marriage cert in order to purchase a pack of rubbers

if the merchart dont deserve your money....take it elsewhere

i have a mainstand though

[william_liu]

Consumers should be given the information regarding the risks, so that they may decide for themselves the best course of action to take for themselves.

 

So far I have not seen any serious enough information from Shell to justify their new regulation of not sitting/straddling while pumping petrol.

 

The risk they are supposedly trying to prevent ranks among the "Handphone radiation may cause brain cancer" kinds of risks for me, and it doesn't convince me at all.

 

And yes, those who feel as strongly as me should really take their money somewhere.

[MiCmAsTa]

Originally posted by Lonewolf@Feb 24 2005, 10:23 AM

OH yeah

 

FACT 4 : I CAN LIVE WITHOUT THEM.

 

Same here...

[william_liu]

http://www.pei.org/static/fire_reports.htm#injury

 

Hmmm. Where are the statistics for motorcycles?

[MiCmAsTa]

Originally posted by william_liu@Feb 24 2005, 01:34 PM

http://www.pei.org/static/fire_reports.htm#injury

 

Hmmm. Where are the statistics for motorcycles?

Hmmm... Nice figures... Maybe you wanna CC to Shell?

[TeePeePhobe]

Originally posted by Pierrot@Feb 24 2005, 10:39 AM

@ posters who scoff at safety- can you guarantee that static will not cause an explosion in singapore? do you have the qualifications to run tests on international/ national standards and prove that it won't? all your posts indicate your attempt to look macho and display pure ignorance (*note i used 'ignorance' instead of stupidity)

are you trying to rally support for your cause through the use of bold and bright letters? you do not even have the balls to put your life as a guarantee that static discharge will not ignite petroleum vapors. yes you could type all you want on how much you are sure that such an incident will never happen in singapore but when it does happen, you will have1 of 2 reactions. 1- shrink back into your corner and stfu or 2- try to convince everyone that it was caused by something else.

what i am trying to say is, you cannot guarantee that static electricity discharge cannot ignite petroleum vapors and all you have is your word. in singapore, your word is never good enough, you must back it up with actions and certificates before you run your mouth off like a yapping dog. it might not influence people who can rationalise but it sure as hell will make an impression on people who follow blindly.

 

p.s i don't preach on safety nor do i uphold their values all the time, those were simply my opinions

Pierrot, I'm willing to put down a S$100 bucks as a bet if your can ignite petrol with static. If you managed to do it within the agreed time frame and demonstrate that it is a repeateble condition, you get the money. If not, you lose S$100.

 

Conditions of the test:

 

1)Experiment carried at SGP Room/Temp/Pressure (RTP)

 

2)Static to be generated by actions considered normal behaviour of people, but intensity is not regulated as long as it is not assisted by machine.

 

Example 2a. Rubbing the crap out of an acrylic (example) rod is cheating, no idiot will do that in day to day life. It is akin to dropping a match in the tank.

 

Example 2b. You can comb your hair as many times as you like or run on carpet as long/fast as you want, but using a power buffer to mimic the same effect is unnatural and cheating.

 

3)Timeframe: 1 month. Money is to be handed in advance to 3rd party

 

How are you on? I'm confident that static is a none issue in SGP day to day life and RTP conditions, willing to put the $$ on my word, are you?

[madman]

Since we're still in this topic...

 

I wonder how many of you off ur mobile when you go into a petrol koisk? Do drivers off their phone too? And, how about the uncle that pumps petrol for cars, do they carry phones that is always off?

 

Afterall, you can see the sign to off your mobile at each and every pump, but, nobody walks ard telling you to off your mobile, perhaps they should, instead of just telling bikers to stand up and pump. That's double-standards I say.

 

BTW, I dont bother whether they ask me to stand and pump or not, but rather, it's the double-standards they are practicing. Not that I pump shell anyway, Mobil and Esso for me for the past 10yrs already...