now that coe 4000 how ??

[MR BIKER]

while its good to write and complain here, i always beleive sitting down together and discuss the issue is a much better option . but i always worry as different views will make people unable to handle their situation and their frustration and anger will boil over on themselves

[matthias76]

Discuss with who? Who will listen to our grimes and help us change the way policies are crafted for motorcyclists? I would love to be part of this type of discussion if any.

 

I know there used to be in the rally point some meetings with Traffic Police. Are there any for meeting with LTA?

[MR BIKER]

among ourselves motorcyclist.

[duo]

Discuss with who? Who will listen to our grimes and help us change the way policies are crafted for motorcyclists? I would love to be part of this type of discussion if any.

 

I know there used to be in the rally point some meetings with Traffic Police. Are there any for meeting with LTA?

Was it really effective or was it just for show?

 

among ourselves motorcyclist.

To let off steam.

[matthias76]

I have to agree with Duo. Any meeting with LTA personnel below the rank of decision making is a waste of time.

 

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[wait4me]

Coe was introduced (under the pretext, intended or otherwise) to regulate traffic congestion.

We all know especially in Sin city that motorcycles do not contribute to jams so why are the motorcycle quotas being brought over to cars? This situation have caused the hike in current bids by shops due shortage of certs.

Welcome to the Matrix, neo! :-

)

 

i tot coe is to show we own the vehicles and ERP is to regulate traffic?

[ProFatSir]

i tot coe is to show we own the vehicles and ERP is to regulate traffic?

 

i also tot ERP is to ease the busy traffic.....

[matthias76]

i also tot ERP is to ease the busy traffic.....

 

Just like how i tot HDB was public housing...

[Jehuty]

Discuss with who? Who will listen to our grimes and help us change the way policies are crafted for motorcyclists? I would love to be part of this type of discussion if any.

 

I know there used to be in the rally point some meetings with Traffic Police. Are there any for meeting with LTA?

 

 

There were talks between LTA and bike groups before. LTA got grilled and owned but nothing changed. I guess anything with the govt there's no such thing as middle ground, either they stay to conduct their practices or they get removed.

[sawfly]

discussion with LTA will not work. anything related with market forces they would be probably hesitant on implementing changes anyway.

all you need is to find a mythical someone who can decide beyond their level, push them and follow up closely on changes.

furthermore unless this is a pressing issue to them, things are going to rocket beyond absurdity.

 

anyway, screw the coe. they probably want to control m/c population anyway.

[Jehuty]

discussion with LTA will not work. anything related with market forces they would be probably hesitant on implementing changes anyway.

all you need is to find a mythical someone who can decide beyond their level, push them and follow up closely on changes.

furthermore unless this is a pressing issue to them, things are going to rocket beyond absurdity.

 

anyway, screw the coe. they probably want to control m/c population anyway.

 

They deem anything not stock is illegal like LED signal lights, obviously logic and reason isn't their strong point. Anything that doesn't contribute to sucking your hard earned money out of you isn't in the interest of the PAP. The PAP is here not to govern but simply suck money and maintain the machine that enables them. Period.

[sawfly]

I don't think it's logic and reason. I think it's just a blanket ban so they don't have to deal with some items they have problems banning with. i.e. to prevent floodgate effect. macam like the 377a ruling la. di siao di gong for ease for policy implementation.

 

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[ThePole]

I pity the disabled who need the motorcycle as their mode of transport.

[theblackmamba]

bottom line is this PAP = LTA = COE

 

you know what to do during election

[Jehuty]

I don't think it's logic and reason. I think it's just a blanket ban so they don't have to deal with some items they have problems banning with. i.e. to prevent floodgate effect. macam like the 377a ruling la. di siao di gong for ease for policy implementation.

 

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Always knew they were lazy fucts, if you were ever involved in an accident or have a friend who was, chances are you'll meet with some IOs who are there just to shake leg and collect money day in day out.

[ooitn]

if all biker can instruct or cap the shop at 2000 coe, that will be a different scenario..

[matthias76]

I pity the disabled who need the motorcycle as their mode of transport.

 

If I remember clearly, Disabled vehicles are exempted from COE and ARF.

[zalk]

Be it citizens,businesses or government sector they see despatches from bikes everyday, yet they blame us for mishandling, scold us for being late and now coe to prevent us from buying bike.

 

Msian reported 40,000 bike crossing the borders daily, they can mod n ride like crazy while we are the ones paying rdtax,insurance,erp iu,gst,season parking,inspection,coe??(wtf)

 

what if at a certain day of coe increase, All riders stop riding their own bike and demand employers to provide bike for work? Think ur letters, "so called impt express document", spareparts, daily repair/servicing and deliveries will become a national handicap. Even mcdonalds also! By the time only carpark warden n kfc/pizzahut(increased price)

Good luck

 

They pay $5 a day for entry. $5x250x10 counting there are free days or something. $2500x5=$12500. Thats a little more than current COE prices eh. COE is going up because people are willing and able to bid insane amounts. If everyone is not willing and able to bid, it will be easily $500 only as I explained earlier. The governments tightening of COE quotas does have something to do with it, but its not the only reason for COE prices shooting up. The demographic of bikers is also shifting, from ah pek riding RXZ to now 20+ year olds with Ducatis and R1s. There are more expensive bikes on the roads and more people able to bid higher amounts for COE.

[guangwei]

They pay $5 a day for entry. $5x250x10 counting there are free days or something. $2500x5=$12500. Thats a little more than current COE prices eh. COE is going up because people are willing and able to bid insane amounts. If everyone is not willing and able to bid, it will be easily $500 only as I explained earlier. The governments tightening of COE quotas does have something to do with it, but its not the only reason for COE prices shooting up. The demographic of bikers is also shifting, from ah pek riding RXZ to now 20+ year olds with Ducatis and R1s. There are more expensive bikes on the roads and more people able to bid higher amounts for COE.

 

 

 

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There were no sudden surge of GDP per capita in Singapore for at least 20 years. If you have no idea how spending power of Singaporeans and other resident have changed over the decade, pls don't use it as supporting reasons as quoted from strait times to defend "flawed and retarded" or perhaps "ambitiously government income pro" policies. It makes u look really stupid and narrow minded and simple. Learn more about economics n how it works with real creditable books. Research it, not just read of it from strait times. Sorry if I sound offending but really Coe doesn't rise becus ppl are able to bid, it rise becus ppl are more willing to fight for it Cus the value of it have rise, hence people are willing to spend at the expenses of more.

 

When the price of gold rise, does it simply relate to ppl are becoming more rich and capable of buying more gold causing demand to rise? If you really think so as well, dear you would definitely be one of the most lousiest investor out there.

 

You really must have been reading strait times almost everyday for the past decade at least, and you have been brainwashed beyond hope. We are discussing about a sudden price surge that makes the price shoot all the way to 3 fold its original price from few months ago. Things like that don't happen over simple positive reasons.

Time to wake up.

 

Also, in addition, the population ratio of "r1/Ducati" is to "rxz" have not changed a lot, that I can confirmed with u plus chop with all my 3 years of road experience on the road even if it's not a lot. In fact I notice an increase of more spark and other smaller kups on the road as ppl are downgrading Cus of the Coe. Have you ever been on the road with a vehicle driven by urself actually?

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[fx]

if all biker can instruct or cap the shop at 2000 coe, that will be a different scenario..

 

I like this one best, let's make it more impact! instruct the shop to cap at $200 instead? all here agreable pls hands up.. :-)

[sawfly]

I like this one best, let's make it more impact! instruct the shop to cap at $200 instead? all here agreable pls hands up.. :-)

 

 

kichiu! the shops/dealers actually have no benefit if the coe is too high - this would reduce sales from the 2b segment. in fact they might be the one with the bigger bargaining power compared to our voices alone.

 

anyway the only news i saw for COE for bikes is only here: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/dealers-surprised-by/954134.html

 

only they surprised leh in the news. the rest of the dealers? no news coverage from the bottom down folks direct and from the dealers instead.

nothing from LTA or govt side leh. is the feedback loop to the main deal breakers in this problem even complete?

[sawfly]

on further thought, is there a motorcycle dealer association where all get together? it might be even easier to talk to the businessmen first all one shot - this might speed up feedback and hopefully action.

[zalk]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There were no sudden surge of GDP per capita in Singapore for at least 20 years. If you have no idea how spending power of Singaporeans and other resident have changed over the decade, pls don't use it as supporting reasons as quoted from strait times to defend "flawed and retarded" or perhaps "ambitiously government income pro" policies. It makes u look really stupid and narrow minded and simple. Learn more about economics n how it works with real creditable books. Research it, not just read of it from strait times. Sorry if I sound offending but really Coe doesn't rise becus ppl are able to bid, it rise becus ppl are more willing to fight for it Cus the value of it have rise, hence people are willing to spend at the expenses of more.

 

When the price of gold rise, does it simply relate to ppl are becoming more rich and capable of buying more gold causing demand to rise? If you really think so as well, dear you would definitely be one of the most lousiest investor out there.

 

You really must have been reading strait times almost everyday for the past decade at least, and you have been brainwashed beyond hope. We are discussing about a sudden price surge that makes the price shoot all the way to 3 fold its original price from few months ago. Things like that don't happen over simple positive reasons.

Time to wake up.

 

Also, in addition, the population ratio of "r1/Ducati" is to "rxz" have not changed a lot, that I can confirmed with u plus chop with all my 3 years of road experience on the road even if it's not a lot. In fact I notice an increase of more spark and other smaller kups on the road as ppl are downgrading Cus of the Coe. Have you ever been on the road with a vehicle driven by urself actually?

 

GDP per capita is not neccessarily related to standard of living so it is a completely moot point. Even if it was, GDP per capita has increased 4 fold since 1990. I didn't even mention GDP per capita so I have no idea why it suddenly popped up in your argument. COE prices are not just determined by "demand and supply", as wannabe economists call it. COE quota is determined by the number of vehicles pulled off the road. The first price increase could have been due to the 15% deregistered motorcycle COE going to cars and the number of 2003 registered motorcycles having COE extended, we do not know. What we do know is that after that people kanchiong spider and want to prematurely extend COE, which all it does is reduce the number of vehicles pulled off the road, shrinking the further COE quota. Speculation as I'm sure you know.

 

There is always more than one factor causing demand or quantity demanded to change, that is what I'm trying to explain. Income elasticity of demand is one of them. Yes the value of COE has also gone up due to the demand of of motorcycles in general being demand-price inelastic due to poor substitutes. It's very difficult to explain COE in simple economics terms as it isn't really a free market. The easiest way I can explain it is a silent auction, with a degree of price discrimination.

[ellamcoy]

@guangwei & zalk,

 

I think both of you got a valid point from the economic view as well as the policy mechanism standpoint, however zalk had illuminate the point on the "kanchiong spider" syndrome where by socioeconomic factor had ballooned the cost of COE that was not anticipated during the policy formulation - the fear factor.

 

Some of the hypotheses are:

1) kanchong spider factor

2) trend of Super bikes, the cost of the bikes making the COE insignificant

3) the liberalization of financial loan system, people have more assess to loan

4) collector retain classic model and at the same time own a newer model

5) bikers are unwilling to go public, look at our world class MRT system, rather renew COE with an old ride

6) the popular causation, influx of FTs, hey not all bangala & Ah Tiong are on bicycles

7) massive shift of car owners to biking community, cannot tahan burning cash

8) the monthly ride from MRT/Bus cost about $100+, make no sense for bike (private vehicle) to be cheaper

than that! (Now a new Honda Wave cost $9k OTR, each year $900, each month $100+, with rd tax & insurance

which is still cheaper than MRT).

9) the popular models from 2003/2004 Honda CBR 600/1000 and many others made & models will result in higher

retention/renewal of COE in coming years.

10) All private owners are "renting" from the government, no matter what vehicle we are on, 100cc or 1000cc we are

just renting as a tenant. The landlord won't mind if tenants are willing to pay more! If you can't afford, step aside bcos

others will.

 

Conclusion, private vehicle cannot be cheaper than public, else you will see the driving ctr flooded with new enrollment.

Therefore, the COE price will ceiling further. They are not pushing people towards public transport as they already have

overcrowding issues, just that they adjust the quota for the costing to make sense. Unlike what the original COE policy

was intended for- to serve the poor and needy like us, now the policy is obsolete - making us (owner of the property) to

pay for our own drinks in our own house.

 

Recommendation, as a pink IC holder, we are entitle to baby bonus, healthcare benefits, subsidies social & public services,

discounted education, free gym during national services, subsidies "low-cost flat" but why not the freaking COE for born and

breed Singaporean? Whatever the COE price is, WE should be entitle to 50% discount (at least for bike which doesn't contribute

to congestion). Four bikes swee swee parked side by side only consume a car-space. Policy maker, if you are reading this, do

understand that people ride not bcoz they want to, it is bcoz they doesn't have a choice. The unreasonable COE increment will

put the livelihood of some bikers at the risk of losing their jobs due to the lost of their vehicular ownership - what happen next,

national suicide rate will climb and crime rate will rocket. For you policy makers, I sincerely hope that when the side effects of this

policy hit you, it hit you so hard so that these messages can penetrate your scholastic skulls.

[Jehuty]

Before hike, 2B bikes were cheaper than public, after hike, its about the same or more. Govt wants more to take their crappy public transport which seems to have little to no changes in reliability and ability. Honestly I rather renew COE than take public, had a 6 month stint and it was horrible, makes you feel like a farm animal. I love the wind in my hair, the freedom and convenience to go anywhere you wish to. Period.

 

For fuct's sake, if gahmen are using superbikes/supersports as a reason for COE increase, tell them to ride one everyday in rush hour traffic, I honestly hope they crash and burn, you'll love your kupchai. Hence why superbikes, supersports or most class 2 still have very little impact to population of bikes. Class 2 bikes are more or less out of passion, not need.

 

Which brings to the next point, higher COE means higher resale, problem is it doesn't matter for big bikes because even after depreciation, its still more than the COE but it does for small ones when the COE is the same as the machine, people buy small bikes because its cheap, if its near to the price of a big one even in 2nd hand market, what's the god damned point.

 

Singaporeans who don't ride and speak ill of riders should get off their high horses and accept reality. Its only dangerous because of none other than them, if cannot get past the low class no money mentality then deal with the cost of the car and diam diam.

 

I'd like to see Singapore survive without dispatch riders, they should stop working for govt, govt hates them, why feed the troll. You know who to vote for.