When the tyre slides... how do you react?

[Hartholomew]

When my rear slides out, I normally ride it out, or at most shift my weight slightly more against the direction of the slide. My theory for the latter reaction is that if I lean more, bike doesn't have to lean so much...Don't know too much about this so I'm not sure if I've been doing the right thing or have just been plain lucky everytime my rear moonwalks.

 

Sounds like the right thing to do to me...agree!

 

When my front slides, instinctive reaction is to ease off the gas. But I think it will put more weight on the front which is already struggling to regain traction so this reaction I think is more on luck than doing the right thing

 

Hell yeah, I know what you mean! I myself do that out of reflex, but am trying to unlearn that!

 

Helpful Hint from Kenny Roberts Senior: "Nobody loses the front on the gas, all the front end tucks are when riders are off the throttle."

 

Combined with the reasoning of keeping the throttle on, when encountering a rear wheel slide, this reasoning seemingly applies to both front and rear slides, which is probably where the following saying originated from:

 

Old Racer's Saying - "IF IN DOUBT - GAS IT!"

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

[ali_baba]

Old Racer's Saying - "IF IN DOUBT - GAS IT!"

 

and u need big healthy balls too. !

[Metalfyre]

gassing it when you slip in corners will prolly end me up in the gravel trap... lol

[YZ2000]

u guys should try riding off roading...especially on soft sand... you will learn more on wat to do if rear or front wheel slide..... if front wheel slide just trottle up for grip... but if rear wheel slide avoid any sudden move to the trottle and do appropriate steering...

 

i almost lost in the rain along ns highway in my effort to overtake a bus from the left lane... Under estimate a shallow puddle i just whack my fazer for the overtaking but my rear wheel jus fishtale for about 5 horrific seconds.

i jus maintain calm and steer my handle straight toward the direction and maintain the trottle with very slowly easing it off..... the rear move from left to right to left untill control is achieved... i was like thinking "**** must not go under the bus"!! .... thank god that god just gave me a warning

[omnislash]

sorry guys... similar but off topic...

 

When foot peg rub tarmac, how?

[skiddie_67]

sorry guys... similar but off topic...

 

When foot peg rub tarmac, how?

 

Buy racing rearsets.... hehe... then can go lower w/o scrapping ur pegs..

But how did u scrap the pegs??? Didn't ur knees act as markers for how low u are going?? or might be u are not shifting out enuf of ur sexy butt...

 

cheers bro...

[omnislash]

Buy racing rearsets.... hehe... then can go lower w/o scrapping ur pegs..

But how did u scrap the pegs??? Didn't ur knees act as markers for how low u are going?? or might be u are not shifting out enuf of ur sexy butt...

 

cheers bro...

 

I not lacer...

I nv been to track before...

Just that sometimes scrap the peg... Last time got startled... But after sometime, not so shocked. But the immediate response is to recover from my lean....

 

And I'll still have the phobia of my pegs scrapping the ground. And this phobia slows me down....

 

I really wonder how those pple can scrap through the entire corner...

 

I know hanging off can help me to use a reduce my lean which I do sometimes but i just tot I'll have more confidence in my cornering if i learn to cope with peg scrapping.

 

Anyone can advise?

[Raptor]

I not lacer...

I nv been to track before...

Just that sometimes scrap the peg... Last time got startled... But after sometime, not so shocked. But the immediate response is to recover from my lean....

 

And I'll still have the phobia of my pegs scrapping the ground. And this phobia slows me down....

 

I really wonder how those pple can scrap through the entire corner...

 

I know hanging off can help me to use a reduce my lean which I do sometimes but i just tot I'll have more confidence in my cornering if i learn to cope with peg scrapping.

 

Anyone can advise?

 

Regardless of which bike you ride, you don't want to drag any hardware on the tarmac in the corner. Period.

 

Please change to rearsets before you lowside one of these days due to your footpegs pivoting your rear wheel off the ground.

[D.O.C]

and pls do not continue with your tpye of riding on roads, if you hit any patch of oil stains, you will be kissing the tarmac and i dont know what type if safty gear you are riding with. see you tube for wheelie crashes, these crazy people wear jeans and when they fall ........ painful

[omnislash]

and pls do not continue with your tpye of riding on roads, if you hit any patch of oil stains, you will be kissing the tarmac and i dont know what type if safty gear you are riding with. see you tube for wheelie crashes, these crazy people wear jeans and when they fall ........ painful

 

Thanx for the advice but I know what I'm into..

[Hartholomew]

Thanx for the advice but I know what I'm into..

 

Just to try and help with your question:

 

MOST stock bikes fresh from the factory come built with a compromise. That compromise is usually called COMFORT. Some, like the recent R1s have pegs so low that any rider worth his salt would be able to grind out the pegs even before the pace heats up.

 

The trick is to use body positioning to lessen the amount of lean you need at the same speed. Regular track day junkies will be able to testify that once you learn this, you will even do it on the road by habit.

 

Some may think that using less lean and hanging of more is not their "goal". I admit that it is nice to lean the bike over as far as possible. Its fun, it looks cool. But we have to think further. If you can grind the pegs, while hanging off, then it can mean only 2 things:

 

1. Technique is wrong

 

Let me let you guys in on a secret. There was a class conducted by a old Japanese dude some time ago. He was over 60 years old and walked with a limp. Well, he was an ex-motocross champ back in the day in Japan and never, EVER ground anything out when he rode, be it a tourer or whatever. Thing is that he was like 3 times faster than people 3 times younger than him. Nobody could figure it out cos he was OBVIOUSLY using less lean than everyone, but was overtaking everyone on the outside... You tell me...

He would even get angry when he heard the sound of metal scraping tarmac...

 

2. Its time to get rearsets.

 

If the rider is sure that his technique is about right, then he should go ahead and get rearsets. But a word of caution: Never use pegs as a guide to how far you are leaning. Lean depends alot on the corner, speed, attitude, surface, camber and most importantly the rider. The rider may be able to lean over and scrape your pegs in Turn 1, but not in Turn 3. Same thing goes for the filter lane at Siglap Centre and the expressway exit to BKE from the KJE.

 

Having a fixed indicator like the pegs and an attitude that, " I am only going fast when I scrape the pegs", is going to land the rider in big trouble. Use the ass to feel for grip. Its much more accurate...and gives your ass a good work out.....hahahahha

 

For even more feedback and feel from your butt, do what a certain MSS rider does: "Wear thongs." It gives more direct contact from the bike to the grip sensors in your ass, since there is less fabric to muffle out the signals.

 

The butt cheeks are exposed to more grip information, with just the "thong" part of it strategically placed to stop certain bodily by-products from emmitting themselves in a...erm..."exciting" situation... which are commonly known as "skid marks".

 

Or be like me and go all the way.... Wear NOTHING. "Commando Style"....hee hee

 

Anyone like to borrow my inner liner???

 

Thought not...muah ahaha

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

[Father John]

 

Anyone like to borrow my inner liner???

 

Thought not...muah ahaha

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

 

Who said not? ME! ME! But will wash and soak it in dettol first.

[ghost04]

Just to try and help with your question:

 

MOST stock bikes fresh from the factory come built with a compromise. That compromise is usually called COMFORT. Some, like the recent R1s have pegs so low that any rider worth his salt would be able to grind out the pegs even before the pace heats up.

 

The trick is to use body positioning to lessen the amount of lean you need at the same speed. Regular track day junkies will be able to testify that once you learn this, you will even do it on the road by habit.

 

Some may think that using less lean and hanging of more is not their "goal". I admit that it is nice to lean the bike over as far as possible. Its fun, it looks cool. But we have to think further. If you can grind the pegs, while hanging off, then it can mean only 2 things:

 

1. Technique is wrong

 

Let me let you guys in on a secret. There was a class conducted by a old Japanese dude some time ago. He was over 60 years old and walked with a limp. Well, he was an ex-motocross champ back in the day in Japan and never, EVER ground anything out when he rode, be it a tourer or whatever. Thing is that he was like 3 times faster than people 3 times younger than him. Nobody could figure it out cos he was OBVIOUSLY using less lean than everyone, but was overtaking everyone on the outside... You tell me...

He would even get angry when he heard the sound of metal scraping tarmac...

 

2. Its time to get rearsets.

 

If the rider is sure that his technique is about right, then he should go ahead and get rearsets. But a word of caution: Never use pegs as a guide to how far you are leaning. Lean depends alot on the corner, speed, attitude, surface, camber and most importantly the rider. The rider may be able to lean over and scrape your pegs in Turn 1, but not in Turn 3. Same thing goes for the filter lane at Siglap Centre and the expressway exit to BKE from the KJE.

 

Having a fixed indicator like the pegs and an attitude that, " I am only going fast when I scrape the pegs", is going to land the rider in big trouble. Use the ass to feel for grip. Its much more accurate...and gives your ass a good work out.....hahahahha

 

For even more feedback and feel from your butt, do what a certain MSS rider does: "Wear thongs." It gives more direct contact from the bike to the grip sensors in your ass, since there is less fabric to muffle out the signals.

 

The butt cheeks are exposed to more grip information, with just the "thong" part of it strategically placed to stop certain bodily by-products from emmitting themselves in a...erm..."exciting" situation... which are commonly known as "skid marks".

 

Or be like me and go all the way.... Wear NOTHING. "Commando Style"....hee hee

 

Anyone like to borrow my inner liner???

 

Thought not...muah ahaha

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

 

 

ur explanation might be useful to me. i scrapped my exhaust n foot pegs at turn 1 but didnt happen at turn 3.

[omnislash]

Just to try and help with your question:

 

MOST stock bikes fresh from the factory come built with a compromise. That compromise is usually called COMFORT. Some, like the recent R1s have pegs so low that any rider worth his salt would be able to grind out the pegs even before the pace heats up.

 

The trick is to use body positioning to lessen the amount of lean you need at the same speed. Regular track day junkies will be able to testify that once you learn this, you will even do it on the road by habit.

 

Some may think that using less lean and hanging of more is not their "goal". I admit that it is nice to lean the bike over as far as possible. Its fun, it looks cool. But we have to think further. If you can grind the pegs, while hanging off, then it can mean only 2 things:

 

1. Technique is wrong

 

Let me let you guys in on a secret. There was a class conducted by a old Japanese dude some time ago. He was over 60 years old and walked with a limp. Well, he was an ex-motocross champ back in the day in Japan and never, EVER ground anything out when he rode, be it a tourer or whatever. Thing is that he was like 3 times faster than people 3 times younger than him. Nobody could figure it out cos he was OBVIOUSLY using less lean than everyone, but was overtaking everyone on the outside... You tell me...

He would even get angry when he heard the sound of metal scraping tarmac...

 

2. Its time to get rearsets.

 

If the rider is sure that his technique is about right, then he should go ahead and get rearsets. But a word of caution: Never use pegs as a guide to how far you are leaning. Lean depends alot on the corner, speed, attitude, surface, camber and most importantly the rider. The rider may be able to lean over and scrape your pegs in Turn 1, but not in Turn 3. Same thing goes for the filter lane at Siglap Centre and the expressway exit to BKE from the KJE.

 

Having a fixed indicator like the pegs and an attitude that, " I am only going fast when I scrape the pegs", is going to land the rider in big trouble. Use the ass to feel for grip. Its much more accurate...and gives your ass a good work out.....hahahahha

 

For even more feedback and feel from your butt, do what a certain MSS rider does: "Wear thongs." It gives more direct contact from the bike to the grip sensors in your ass, since there is less fabric to muffle out the signals.

 

The butt cheeks are exposed to more grip information, with just the "thong" part of it strategically placed to stop certain bodily by-products from emmitting themselves in a...erm..."exciting" situation... which are commonly known as "skid marks".

 

Or be like me and go all the way.... Wear NOTHING. "Commando Style"....hee hee

 

Anyone like to borrow my inner liner???

 

Thought not...muah ahaha

 

Cheers,

 

Hartholomew Mamola

 

Ya... Eh.... Why quote me when you reply.....

 

My question is more on overcoming the fear of my pegs scrapping...

 

I dun scrap while hanging off.. Its only when i dun hang off that I'll scrap... Which i know why its so... (lesser lean angle blah blah...)....

 

However, Raptor has enlightened me that i should not try to do that which I tot is a respectable answer.

[D.O.C]

Thanx for the advice but I know what I'm into..

 

sometimes i came across motorbikes accident especially at junction and i think to myself how the f*** did it happen, its a junction and didnt the test centre teach us to be careful?

 

and looking at your reply relly makes me understand. yes you will only know what u r getting into until you get yourself into an accident and only at that time you would know what you r getting into.

[omnislash]

sometimes i came across motorbikes accident especially at junction and i think to myself how the f*** did it happen, its a junction and didnt the test centre teach us to be careful?

 

and looking at your reply relly makes me understand. yes you will only know what u r getting into until you get yourself into an accident and only at that time you would know what you r getting into.

 

So are you saying those motorcyclist accidents especially at the junction are pple like my "type of riding"? Its abit unfair to them dun you think?

 

And who are you to judge my style of riding? You haven even seen me. You just judge me based on my post.

 

I'm not saying I'm an angel on the road, but I do have the courage to say say that I have a bit of humble experience to judge whats safe and whats not.

 

Anyway, I dun really care what you think of me. I'm just a bit disgusted by the way you stereo type motorcyclists who met with accidents... Eww...

[ali_baba]

ermm.. chill guys.. this is a topic abt tyre slides.

keep this post appropriate, so more ppl can learn from it.

[Hartholomew]

Hi Omnislash,

 

I was just trying to help with your peg scraping. Thats all.

 

I quoted you cos you were the one who asked.

 

In a later post you mentioned that you dont scrape when you hang off, so I guess you knew the answer all along then.

 

Sorry for wasting your time.

[Hartholomew]

Who said not? ME! ME! But will wash and soak it in dettol first.

 

HAHAHHAHA!

 

You sure or not???

 

Got fungus and mushrooms you know!

[Strong Eagle]

Hey All,

 

Some pretty good video of highside crashes. Keep that traction on the back tire or watch out!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvYndj02Uc&mode=related&search

[Hartholomew]

Hey All,

 

Some pretty good video of highside crashes. Keep that traction on the back tire or watch out!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvYndj02Uc&mode=related&search

 

Thanks Strong Eagle,

 

Good vids!

[ali_baba]

This one is hell load of balls and skill.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P9ZYP4A7Mr8&mode=related&search=

[biking nomad]

Thank god for youtube!

Thank god for singaporebikes.com!

Amen!

 

Learnt some interesting stuff from this thread. I've never been to the track so all my experince is from road riding and always feel I'm not pushing my bike or my limits.

 

I've never really paid attention to why I've only ever scrapepd my pegs once and my tire wall still has some wax marks. But some ppl I ride with have the habit of comparing these things and commenting that I don't seem to be banking much,

 

Always made me feel I was not pushing myself or my bike. After reading this and observing that I sometimes apex out of the corner quite fast I realise I am always shifting my ass instinctively. And that is why my bike doesn't have the typical squid marks.

 

Now if only I could get the whole counter steering thing and make a trip to the track.

[omnislash]

Hi Omnislash,

 

I was just trying to help with your peg scraping. Thats all.

 

I quoted you cos you were the one who asked.

 

In a later post you mentioned that you dont scrape when you hang off, so I guess you knew the answer all along then.

 

Sorry for wasting your time.

 

No lah.... I was just a bit confused with the answer you gave...

 

My question was:

 

How to overcome the fear of peg scraping and CONTINUE to scrape.

VS

How to AVOID peg scraping?

 

But i sort of got the answer from Raptor le... Thanx for the attention though..

 

@ali_baba - I apologise for all the irrelevant posts. REALLY! And i hope I dun offend others whom I dun intend to along the way.

 

Ciao.

[YZ2000]

 

this is how off road riding help in on road riding