Do you know how to break in your new Bike (Engine)

[Junyi]

I think the thing he is trying to say is.. to minimise the chance to get problem bike.. every1 hopes to get a gd 2nd hand bike.. and bike break dwn is normal esp 2nd hand bike.. but imagine u get a bike tats givin u problem all the time also sian mah..

 

Some people is rich or watsoever to get a 1st hand bike.. and dun even care about mainting a bike or should i say at least let the bike last longer.. time comes sell it off get a new bike.. let the next owner get all those shits.. i think tats alittle fackup..

 

to me lah.. bike is mean to ride and also to admire.. and nt buy and repair and "kio" all those shits left by previous owner..

 

People might say like tat, might as well get a 1st hand bike lor.. but sorrie i am poor.. now serving NS nia..

[WW]

Easy, let see if my Lau K break down in 3yr time. And i will get back here to post.

[TeePeePhobe]

Originally posted by enfant@Jan 13 2006, 08:14 PM

how long have u ridden your r6? 5 years? 6 years? compression loss and piston leakage usually present itself a few years after hard run in methods are practiced. you don't take a teaspoon of arsenic and ask someone why you do not die immediately. try daily doses everyday and we'll see who's lying 6 feet under when chinese new year comes.

another similar example would be the class 2a sport bikes. some 400s consume thin engine oil at alarming rates compared to rare older models which have hardly any problems at all. all these nonsense present themselves after 10 over years of usage. why is it that some do not face this problem? i do not think that any singaporean would be rich or stupid enough to opt for an engine overhaul. nobody does that for their 400, it's simply not worth the money. then again, your arguement of bikes being worned hard in the track is true, but how many of these bikes were owned by track junkies? all that ms was trying to get across was the fact that hard run in might and CAN cause serious engine deterioration in the long run and since most riders do not ride their wheels for more than a few years before upgrading, the 2nd hand owners who take over will bear the brunt of their hard run in damages.

if someone doesn't take this into consideration, one is being selfish. if there is a chance of preventing compression loss, one should take the necessary steps to do so and not practice unorthodox methods just to benefit from saving some time. this is exactly why many people are afraid of 2nd hand class 2 bikes. hard run in? i rather get a new bike and run it in the way that manufacturers recommend.

You another one talking about 'what ifs' blah blah blah. I tell u my bike 40k, u say wait 5~6yrs. I tell u my bike 80k, u say wait 8~10yrs problem come. We all die given a long enough timeline, be it human or bikes. You bring out class 2A sportbikes, changed so many hand, there are so many possible maintenance cocks ups thru the years and owners, u want to blame it all on the 1st owner who did run in? You bring out rare oldies without problems, how you know the number of miles done or the engine maintenance/overhaul history? You believe a near mint RVF is on the road today? Like I said to MS, don't connect A to B w/o considering all the factors that came in over the years and different owners.

 

FACT: My bike is high rev at greater % of it's milage than most average sportbike in SGP. It not my only depended mode of transport, clock more milage in M'sia over a weekend ride than I do in a month in SGP.

 

FACT: My bike dun eat oil. I have seen bikes eat oil in 1st yr. My family car eat oil, it is made in a silly teutonic county and just a year old. driven mildly as all cars typically get driven.

 

FACT: Maintenance c*** ups and negligence are the leading causes of engine overhaul reasons. Just how many owners out there will run the cheapest engine oil they can find, cheong filters or just plain consider such issues as once in a blue moon affairs? As the alphebet after the F gets closer A, the more such cases happen. When the engine seize, u want to blame it on the fella who 1st bought the bike and who probably put in all the best he can afford?

 

Alj, bike eat oil exhaust confirm dirty like hell. We're not talking about tunning here, we talking about MS saying bikes run in hard will fook up the ring and bore leading to oil consumption. Don't always say 'it too early to tell'. It always too early until it too late. Wait long enough, engine also blow.

[yctradingsg]

Originally posted by WW@Jan 13 2006, 09:13 PM

I think you better go check with LTA ,why they set 3rd yr inspection on new vehicles. Before you say these.

actually why ah?

actually i have divided views on this motoman's break in method...that's why i did half break in half run-in with my r6 last time. nothing serious...never heard any complains from the new owner so far...

personally i feel whether you do break in or run-in, it's still the same ba....

take a look at those uncles riding their lau ks....still surviving wor...cannot be they knew how to do break in so many years back ba? then again their bike is 2-stroke.

I'm sper newbie with regards to engines...just hoping to learn more....unless someone is crazy enough to try out on 2 similar bikes but different methods haha.

[johntan]

Interesting read... Guys.. I put up the post for information.... not for personal attacks.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion... some of you are too young to remember "Dirty Harry" movies...starred Clint Eastwood.. I love a phrase he used.

"Opinions are like as*holes; everyones got one... only sh*t comes out of it"

 

Look, you can claim whatever you guys want... did I tell you that I worked in BMW.. I studied the otto-cyle engines....I co-own a BMW after-market specialist workshop.... but that does not make me nor you an expert... if we were... Mr. Todd would be rolling out the red carpet for us to bring the red stallion back to victory for 2006 F1.

 

I see all kinds of shitty engines from owners who are too "pow pei" with their cars.

 

You gotta be able to distinquished between wear and tear (from hard use..not thrashed) and unintentional/premature breakdown due to owner negligence... but that's all a diff matter... and like what has been said... con-rods breaking and stuff... have many factors... don't let your personal emotions get in the way of objective argueing... stay rational.

 

When I was working in BMW... I hated the brand.. I thought they make damn lousy cars... WHY? cause all the cars I attended to got problems... stoopid and young then (haha.. not much wiser but older now)... You'd think the BMW owners would come see me at the workshop if their cars got no problems? haha

BMW make great cars btw and their sweet 6s (that's 6 cylinder in-line engines) win a lot of accolades worldwide... it's just that we got lousy drivers who do everything but drive the car the way it was intended.. parked in quiet area, engine running, hood down, reading newspapers pasted all round the car's glass panels... heat is a big killer of engines... ditto to what's that..SBT?? taxi company ah?? Diesel engine la... different altogether...and some people talk about engine in years?? duhhh... talk about it in HOURS/Km run.

 

I have seen brand new engines run-in textbook style.. driver drive soooo carefully... follow manufacturers recommended oil change interval (25,000km!! crap!!... even if the oil lasts, the filter will be clogged)... after less than 30,000km gotta overhaul coz the rings seized... pull it apart and you see blow-by, oil contamination etc etc....

 

Anyway... this topic... as I said earlier is controversial... but I didn't expect a turn to personal attacks.

 

Come on... take it easy, take it objectively.

 

The hard run makes RATIONAL arguments... he did say "WARM UP ENGINE FULLY" he did say change oil frequently during run-in/break-in phase....

 

You wanna talk about wear and tear... you think all that sludge and metal bits running around inside the engine per manufacturer's run-in method is good for the engine?

 

This thread was posted to highlighted a controversial issue... but in the end, no one is putting a gun to your head to ask anyone to do a hard run-in... WW put in his opinion, he's entitled to it, he didn't force anyone... why single him out for attack... really, I don't know any of you from the forum... so I don't take sides... but take it easy, k?!

 

whoa... didn't expect this...really..walau.. what Pri.5 etc etc... argue objectively la.

 

Lastly, when you guys talk about the old engines/bike (presumably with super high mileage) that are still running around... helloooo... do you know them personally?? same engine from day one? same set of rings?? smae block?? especially if it's a 2-stroke... impossible to last so long... with all the transfer ports in the cylinder... rings go bust quickly...

 

I had an old 1991 BMW... 300,000+km on the clock... people who see my car probably think... walau.. that old car can go man... problem is that they didn't know that my engine was re-built and with hi-comp pistons and stroker kit running over 190bhp...

Assumptions are the prelude to the Mother of all Fook ups...

[Scorpione_phantom]

Originally posted by johntan@Jan 14 2006, 01:31 AM

Interesting read... Guys.. I put up the post for information.... not for personal attacks.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion... some of you are too young to remember "Dirty Harry" movies...starred Clint Eastwood.. I love a phrase he used.

"Opinions are like as*holes; everyones got one... only sh*t comes out of it"

 

Look, you can claim whatever you guys want... did I tell you that I worked in BMW.. I studied the otto-cyle engines....I co-own a BMW after-market specialist workshop.... but that does not make me nor you an expert... if we were... Mr. Todd would be rolling out the red carpet for us to bring the red stallion back to victory for 2006 F1.

 

I see all kinds of shitty engines from owners who are too "pow pei" with their cars.

 

You gotta be able to distinquished between wear and tear (from hard use..not thrashed) and unintentional/premature breakdown due to owner negligence... but that's all a diff matter... and like what has been said... con-rods breaking and stuff... have many factors... don't let your personal emotions get in the way of objective argueing... stay rational.

 

When I was working in BMW... I hated the brand.. I thought they make damn lousy cars... WHY? cause all the cars I attended to got problems... stoopid and young then (haha.. not much wiser but older now)... You'd think the BMW owners would come see me at the workshop if their cars got no problems? haha

BMW make great cars btw and their sweet 6s (that's 6 cylinder in-line engines) win a lot of accolades worldwide... it's just that we got lousy drivers who do everything but drive the car the way it was intended.. parked in quiet area, engine running, hood down, reading newspapers pasted all round the car's glass panels... heat is a big killer of engines... ditto to what's that..SBT?? taxi company ah?? Diesel engine la... different altogether...and some people talk about engine in years?? duhhh... talk about it in HOURS/Km run.

 

I have seen brand new engines run-in textbook style.. driver drive soooo carefully... follow manufacturers recommended oil change interval (25,000km!! crap!!... even if the oil lasts, the filter will be clogged)... after less than 30,000km gotta overhaul coz the rings seized... pull it apart and you see blow-by, oil contamination etc etc....

 

Anyway... this topic... as I said earlier is controversial... but I didn't expect a turn to personal attacks.

 

Come on... take it easy, take it objectively.

 

The hard run makes RATIONAL arguments... he did say "WARM UP ENGINE FULLY" he did say change oil frequently during run-in/break-in phase....

 

You wanna talk about wear and tear... you think all that sludge and metal bits running around inside the engine per manufacturer's run-in method is good for the engine?

 

This thread was posted to highlighted a controversial issue... but in the end, no one is putting a gun to your head to ask anyone to do a hard run-in... WW put in his opinion, he's entitled to it, he didn't force anyone... why single him out for attack... really, I don't know any of you from the forum... so I don't take sides... but take it easy, k?!

 

whoa... didn't expect this...really..walau.. what Pri.5 etc etc... argue objectively la.

 

Lastly, when you guys talk about the old engines/bike (presumably with super high mileage) that are still running around... helloooo... do you know them personally?? same engine from day one? same set of rings?? smae block?? especially if it's a 2-stroke... impossible to last so long... with all the transfer ports in the cylinder... rings go bust quickly...

 

I had an old 1991 BMW... 300,000+km on the clock... people who see my car probably think... walau.. that old car can go man... problem is that they didn't know that my engine was re-built and with hi-comp pistons and stroker kit running over 190bhp...

Assumptions are the prelude to the Mother of all Fook ups...

 

[MrLau]

Originally posted by Scorpione_phantom@Jan 14 2006, 01:49 AM

wah.... you really quote the whole post and reply with 1 smily icon...

 

You WIN !!!

[TeePeePhobe]

Nice reply Johntan But sadly, in my limited experience, all those damn teutonic makes are indeed becoming crappier.

[johntan]

Originally posted by TeePeePhobe@Jan 14 2006, 02:21 AM

Nice reply Johntan But sadly, in my limited experience, all those damn teutonic makes are indeed becoming crappier.

too much electronics these days...and some are assemble anywhere but Germany.. notice how some use "Made in EC".. meaning made in eastern europe.... and then some in S. Africa

they shuda KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) or maybe it's just for the ENCAP ratings

 

that's why my '91 didn't give me too much heartache.. and a damn fine ride for a 15year old... and electronics only for the important bits...

sorry a bit of topic...

 

I hope we all calm down a bit and get back to poilishing our bikes... gawd, I love bikes... 600+bhp/ton, raw pulling power... yup.. I'm a straight line junkie.. can't corner to save my life.. hahaha

[honam24]

Originally posted by WW@Jan 13 2006, 10:05 PM

Easy, let see if my Lau K break down in 3yr time. And i will get back here to post.

Nice to meet u WW.. The Outing was great... haha!!! But cant c u wheelie.

[lo-on]

Originally posted by TeePeePhobe@Jan 13 2006, 10:20 PM

Alj, bike eat oil exhaust confirm dirty like hell. We're not talking about tunning here, we talking about MS saying bikes run in hard will fook up the ring and bore leading to oil consumption. Don't always say 'it too early to tell'. It always too early until it too late. Wait long enough, engine also blow.

Cause i have have a very famous and experienced mechanic (don't want to quote names) admiting that hard run in no doubt is gonna be better and slightly more powerful than soft run ins .... but it's not gonna last in the long run ....

 

Well then again how true is it we still can't tell right even though he is famous and experience. We need to wait till the time.

[lo-on]

Originally posted by WW@Jan 13 2006, 09:13 PM

I think you better go check with LTA ,why they set 3rd yr inspection on new vehicles. Before you say these.

Oh let me clarify first before i mislead others ....

 

What i mean is that as long as u don't touch or mod your engines, its gonna be running fine even if u don't take care of your engine ... Why i say this ....

 

In my first company that i work in years back, there is a owner of a toyota collora who tow his car to our worshop and kept on complaining and complaining. Said that he bought his car brand new, drove it for 3 years + and didn't know why his car gave up on him. So my senior mechanic attended to him, inspected his car.

 

To his surprise, he found out that when he opened his car bonnet, his radiator is very soft, unlike what u see or feel in our bikes or cars' radiator as in u really don't need effort to spoil the fins at all.

 

2nd, the hoses has turned so hard that it has become like rocks.

 

3rd, when he took out the spark plugs, the tip of the plug is really gone ...

 

4th, when he tried to drain out the radiator, there was no coolant coming out at all. Simply says that the coolant has really dried up.

 

5th, when my senior mechanic then tried to drain out the engine oil, there was slumps and slumps of chunks of dirt coming out and when he felt the engine oil, the viscousity is no longer there. Its really like touching tap water.

 

6th, we could also see cracks on the engine block.

 

7th, when he tried to take out the oil filter, it was jam. He had to forced out the oil filter which by then was filled with fine debris of metal chips.

 

After which my senior mechanic asked him when was the last time he serviced his car. To our surprised, the owner actually told my senior that from day one since he got his car, drove it till then, he has NEVER changed any engine oil, spark plug, oil and air filter and coolant cause he believes that servicing his car is a waste of time and money. All these are simply gimmicks for the car garage to earn money that's all :faint:

 

But the amazing thing is .... the japanese car can actually last for 3 years plus a few days

 

So what i mean is that no matter how u run in your engines, hard or soft as long as u don't thrash it, its gonna last for some time before the real things surfaced.

But then again some people experienced that hard run ins on their cars or bikes don't gave them any problems at all.

 

So its really up to individuals believes, theories and experience

[Aie]

Originally posted by johntan@Jan 14 2006, 01:31 AM

Interesting read... Guys.. I put up the post for information.... not for personal attacks.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion... some of you are too young to remember "Dirty Harry" movies...starred Clint Eastwood.. I love a phrase he used.

"Opinions are like as*holes; everyones got one... only sh*t comes out of it"

 

Look, you can claim whatever you guys want... did I tell you that I worked in BMW.. I studied the otto-cyle engines....I co-own a BMW after-market specialist workshop.... but that does not make me nor you an expert... if we were... Mr. Todd would be rolling out the red carpet for us to bring the red stallion back to victory for 2006 F1.

 

I see all kinds of shitty engines from owners who are too "pow pei" with their cars.

 

You gotta be able to distinquished between wear and tear (from hard use..not thrashed) and unintentional/premature breakdown due to owner negligence... but that's all a diff matter... and like what has been said... con-rods breaking and stuff... have many factors... don't let your personal emotions get in the way of objective argueing... stay rational.

 

When I was working in BMW... I hated the brand.. I thought they make damn lousy cars... WHY? cause all the cars I attended to got problems... stoopid and young then (haha.. not much wiser but older now)... You'd think the BMW owners would come see me at the workshop if their cars got no problems? haha

BMW make great cars btw and their sweet 6s (that's 6 cylinder in-line engines) win a lot of accolades worldwide... it's just that we got lousy drivers who do everything but drive the car the way it was intended.. parked in quiet area, engine running, hood down, reading newspapers pasted all round the car's glass panels... heat is a big killer of engines... ditto to what's that..SBT?? taxi company ah?? Diesel engine la... different altogether...and some people talk about engine in years?? duhhh... talk about it in HOURS/Km run.

 

I have seen brand new engines run-in textbook style.. driver drive soooo carefully... follow manufacturers recommended oil change interval (25,000km!! crap!!... even if the oil lasts, the filter will be clogged)... after less than 30,000km gotta overhaul coz the rings seized... pull it apart and you see blow-by, oil contamination etc etc....

 

Anyway... this topic... as I said earlier is controversial... but I didn't expect a turn to personal attacks.

 

Come on... take it easy, take it objectively.

 

The hard run makes RATIONAL arguments... he did say "WARM UP ENGINE FULLY" he did say change oil frequently during run-in/break-in phase....

 

You wanna talk about wear and tear... you think all that sludge and metal bits running around inside the engine per manufacturer's run-in method is good for the engine?

 

This thread was posted to highlighted a controversial issue... but in the end, no one is putting a gun to your head to ask anyone to do a hard run-in... WW put in his opinion, he's entitled to it, he didn't force anyone... why single him out for attack... really, I don't know any of you from the forum... so I don't take sides... but take it easy, k?!

 

whoa... didn't expect this...really..walau.. what Pri.5 etc etc... argue objectively la.

 

Lastly, when you guys talk about the old engines/bike (presumably with super high mileage) that are still running around... helloooo... do you know them personally?? same engine from day one? same set of rings?? smae block?? especially if it's a 2-stroke... impossible to last so long... with all the transfer ports in the cylinder... rings go bust quickly...

 

I had an old 1991 BMW... 300,000+km on the clock... people who see my car probably think... walau.. that old car can go man... problem is that they didn't know that my engine was re-built and with hi-comp pistons and stroker kit running over 190bhp...

Assumptions are the prelude to the Mother of all Fook ups...

Sifu has spoken and encapsulated everything that I wanted to say (on the flaming and not the technicalities) so I've got nothing to say already...

[Aie]

Originally posted by alj@Jan 14 2006, 12:37 PM

Oh let me clarify first before i mislead others ....

 

What i mean is that as long as u don't touch or mod your engines, its gonna be running fine even if u don't take care of your engine ... Why i say this ....

 

In my first company that i work in years back, there is a owner of a toyota collora who tow his car to our worshop and kept on complaining and complaining. Said that he bought his car brand new, drove it for 3 years + and didn't know why his car gave up on him. So my senior mechanic attended to him, inspected his car.

 

To his surprise, he found out that when he opened his car bonnet, his radiator is very soft, unlike what u see or feel in our bikes or cars' radiator as in u really don't need effort to spoil the fins at all.

 

2nd, the hoses has turned so hard that it has become like rocks.

 

3rd, when he took out the spark plugs, the tip of the plug is really gone ...

 

4th, when he tried to drain out the radiator, there was no coolant coming out at all. Simply says that the coolant has really dried up.

 

5th, when my senior mechanic then tried to drain out the engine oil, there was slumps and slumps of chunks of dirt coming out and when he felt the engine oil, the viscousity is no longer there. Its really like touching tap water.

 

6th, we could also see cracks on the engine block.

 

7th, when he tried to take out the oil filter, it was jam. He had to forced out the oil filter which by then was filled with fine debris of metal chips.

 

After which my senior mechanic asked him when was the last time he serviced his car. To our surprised, the owner actually told my senior that from day one since he got his car, drove it till then, he has NEVER changed any engine oil, spark plug, oil and air filter and coolant cause he believes that servicing his car is a waste of time and money. All these are simply gimmicks for the car garage to earn money that's all :faint:

 

But the amazing thing is .... the japanese car can actually last for 3 years plus a few days

 

So what i mean is that no matter how u run in your engines, hard or soft as long as u don't thrash it, its gonna last for some time before the real things surfaced.

But then again some people experienced that hard run ins on their cars or bikes don't gave them any problems at all.

 

So its really up to individuals believes, theories and experience

I also did something like the guy you refer to alj. When I was still a newbie and just passed my bike licence, I rode my TZR125 for a year without doing any servicing at all. No change of engine oil, spark plugs, air filter or oil filter. I did not service not because I think that doing so is a waste of time or money but because I totally had no idea that bikes need to be serviced. See how dumb I was? Exactly a year plus a few days, my bike pistons jammed on me along ECP. Luckily, I did not fly off my bike cos if I did, I won't be here typing this post and telling you guys this story. So, to summarize, did my bike breakdown because I did not service it for a year or because the first owner did a hard or soft break-in for his 125cc bike? I'm sure you guys know the answer to this question cos it's a no brainer question...

[WW]

I will post here , 3 yr later . and see if my bike got any problem during that time.

[DM]

i will post here 2 years later after i hit puberty

[Junyi]

[Aie]

Originally posted by WW@Jan 14 2006, 07:01 PM

I will post here , 3 yr later . and see if my bike got any problem during that time.

In that case, never fear WW. I'll help you to keep this thread alive. Even if this thread dies out, rest assured that I'll dig it up for you three years from now...

[Aie]

Originally posted by enfant@Jan 14 2006, 07:15 PM

i will post here 2 years later after i hit puberty

And when you hit 21, I'll be the first to bring you to an RA movie legally... I belanja...

[-PeNsKe-]

Originally posted by Aie@Jan 15 2006, 12:05 AM

And when you hit 21, I'll be the first to bring you to an RA movie legally... I belanja...

haha.. Then aft movie Geylang i belanja.

[Aie]

Originally posted by -=[PeNsKe]=-@Jan 15 2006, 12:31 AM

haha.. Then aft movie Geylang i belanja.

And if still a virgin, don't forget to ask for ang pao from the lady...

[lvin]

Originally posted by Aie@Jan 15 2006, 12:38 AM

And if still a virgin, don't forget to ask for ang pao from the lady...

[-PeNsKe-]

Originally posted by slow_sp@Jan 15 2006, 02:21 AM

Why ? U virgin huh? Also wan to collect ang pao izit?

[gucci]

Originally posted by -=[PeNsKe]=-@Jan 15 2006, 10:03 AM

Why ? U virgin huh? Also wan to collect ang pao izit?

ur prev bike also virgin m0bil3 rite? think u still can collect ang bao...

[gucci]

Originally posted by WW@Jan 14 2006, 07:01 PM

I will post here , 3 yr later . and see if my bike got any problem during that time. and i will sell my bike to gucci for 40 sing dollars at that time

and i will buy ur bike 3 yr later for 40 sing dollars.. i m saving money now. i am sexually craved. so finding 4 ur gixxer. hahaha