[Group] Singapore BAJAJ Team (SBT)

[ORen]

@yhang23, to add to what Alvin said, you won't get a box. I don;t think UM has raincoats neither. So you can get a helmet.

I don;t know if they have bike covers ? You will also get the first 3 servicings for free.

Maybe if you get new tyres from them to change on the spot your stock ones, they'll give you a bit of discount there as well. Worth asking. UM prices on bikes are very steady and true to the market, so no worries on that, also check with them what they can provide in terms of insurance prices.

They can also take care of your road tax paperwork for you if you want to. The way I see it, you'll be back to be their customer often so your relationship will grow with time: if you don;t get all the freebies you wish for, you will get them in other ways in the long term, with good service and transparent business. At least, that is my experience with them, it's a lot of money to fork out at first, but on the long run, I am glad they are "my" bike shop

 

Oil cooled will not change anything to the maintenance process and it doesn't add anything in terms of troubles to the owner. It's just that the engine is cooled with oil, hence the extra 0.2L the P200 needs. I guess it's supposed to have a better cooling system, but the P180 owners here never complained so it's also good enough. The only thing is with a P200 you can't buy one bottle of oil , you always has to add that 0.2L to top up - but it's not really a trouble, you'll get used to it easily, with a second bottle of oil, you can "top up" 1L about 5 times.

 

@JS1337, P200 second hand can start at 3.5k if very recent and tip top condition, sometimes slightly below 4k. Older ones will usually be available at 2.5-3k

Both bikes a pretty similar in terms of top speed, and acceleration. My take is that the P180 is better FC wise, but that's just based on my experience (I have a P200) compared to other Pulsarians riding a P180. When I say better, please take note that it's really not a big difference.. both bikes have excellent FC and at the end of the day i think the main differences are:

- if second hand, P200 will likely be more recent

- design/look differences

- 2 seats for the P200 and 1 seat for the P180

- dashboard background color might be different

- handle bar might be different

 

Top speed can hit 130-135km/h after sprocket modifications, stock bikes usually have a 115-120km/h top speed around there. As always, this heavily depends on how caring was the previous owner with the bike of course..

 

If you have owned a bike before, let us know how it was and we can help you compare it to the Pulsars.

[JS1337]

welcome to SBT

price depends on the age and condition of the bike

180 should be 2-3k+ for a 3 year bike

200 not very sure...

each have pros and cons

but in general both models are almost similar

if you looking for speed then pulsar will not be the bike for you...

there are enhancements we do here to help in improving performance but at the end of the day pulsar is a tough commuting bike...

built for great FC not for speed...

 

Haha im not really obsessed with speed actually, if its able to hit 110km den im fine with it.

Previously, i was considering between pulsar and x1r, but kup kia seems to be too light and unstable(to me).

 

Now i cant wait to get my 2b license!!

[alvinyansg]

@yhang23, to add to what Alvin said, you won't get a box. I don;t think UM has raincoats neither. So you can get a helmet.

I don;t know if they have bike covers ? You will also get the first 3 servicings for free.

Maybe if you get new tyres from them to change on the spot your stock ones, they'll give you a bit of discount there as well. Worth asking. UM prices on bikes are very steady and true to the market, so no worries on that, also check with them what they can provide in terms of insurance prices.

They can also take care of your road tax paperwork for you if you want to. The way I see it, you'll be back to be their customer often so your relationship will grow with time: if you don;t get all the freebies you wish for, you will get them in other ways in the long term, with good service and transparent business. At least, that is my experience with them, it's a lot of money to fork out at first, but on the long run, I am glad they are "my" bike shop

 

Oil cooled will not change anything to the maintenance process and it doesn't add anything in terms of troubles to the owner. It's just that the engine is cooled with oil, hence the extra 0.2L the P200 needs. I guess it's supposed to have a better cooling system, but the P180 owners here never complained so it's also good enough. The only thing is with a P200 you can't buy one bottle of oil , you always has to add that 0.2L to top up - but it's not really a trouble, you'll get used to it easily, with a second bottle of oil, you can "top up" 1L about 5 times.

 

to be more specific

for the oil cooling in P200,the EO is still indirectly cooled by air

the EO will be circulated into the tubing in the radiator and the EO will be cooled by the air and then the EO will be circulated back into your engine

to make it in simple form,

P200 has an extra radiator=more tubing(running into the radiator)=more distance=more EO needed to cover that distance

[alvinyansg]

Haha im not really obsessed with speed actually, if its able to hit 110km den im fine with it.

Previously, i was considering between pulsar and x1r, but kup kia seems to be too light and unstable(to me).

 

Now i cant wait to get my 2b license!!

 

110km/h?

yes can hit that speed

but how often do you want to hit that speed?

most of us here travel day to day about 80-90+km/h

want high speed your fc will suffer

and for pulsar the drop in fc will be quite significant...

imagine my bike with 3 boxes and most of the time almost all full and pillion every other day

i still can hit 40+km/l easy...

but do be mindful of how you take car of your bike

seen pulsar riders who complain of 20+km/l fc...

Edited June 5, 2011 by alvinyansg

[StrongBow]

once you pass your test,watch a safety video,get a chop on your result slip

then head to the TP counter pass them the slip with 1 passport size photo

pay $50 and they will give you a temp paper licence,TP will post you your licence in 1 week's time

with this paper licence you can ride

the price will depend on your insurance and if full payment or deposit and installment

not sure of the machine price

P180 UG4 should be around 4.5k-4.7k,P200 around 4.8k-5k and P135LS is around 4.2k-4.4k

this is just the rough estimate...

best to call UM...

still need to add in the misc fees like IU unit,road tax,transfer fee etc

for discount normally they don't give...

free gift wise, can try for helmet or rain coat or bike cover

for box, you plan to put what things inside?

 

P200 oil cooled means that it uses 1.2L of EO compare to 1L in 180...

cause of the radiator...

 

is there a big difference between P200 and P180?

pros and cons?

box want put two helmet, raincoat and stuff. duno got such a big box not. will it be ugly on pulsar?

pricing u give for bike does not include COE right?

[alvinyansg]

is there a big difference between P200 and P180?

pros and cons?

box want put two helmet, raincoat and stuff. duno got such a big box not. will it be ugly on pulsar?

pricing u give for bike does not include COE right?

 

hmm

want to put so many stuff the zeus 45 or 48l cannot fit

can try givi ones

not much diff between 180 and 200

read above what o'ren posted

the pricing does not include COE and insurance

insurance depends on age and riding experience and also if you taking installment with UM

if taking installment,most shops will want you to take 3rd party fire and theft aka 2nd party

Edited June 5, 2011 by alvinyansg

[StrongBow]

sorry for the last post. i typed and afk for quite some time and didnt refresh before posting it.

wait a minute, "Top speed can hit 130-135km/h after sprocket modifications, stock bikes usually have a 115-120km/h top speed around there."

so all u pulsarians have a top speed of 120? or do all of u do sprocket modifications. honestly speaking, i DONT mind a LITTLE bit of extra speed when im facing a clear road and there are absolutely no traffic in sight.

 

"- 2 seats for the P200 and 1 seat for the P180"

[alvinyansg]

sorry for the last post. i typed and afk for quite some time and didnt refresh before posting it.

wait a minute, "Top speed can hit 130-135km/h after sprocket modifications, stock bikes usually have a 115-120km/h top speed around there."

so all u pulsarians have a top speed of 120? or do all of u do sprocket modifications. honestly speaking, i DONT mind a LITTLE bit of extra speed when im facing a clear road and there are absolutely no traffic in sight.

 

"- 2 seats for the P200 and 1 seat for the P180"

 

what sis O'ren meant is split seats and non split seats

for 180 UG4 it is also split seats

[StrongBow]

UG4 does it has the wicked digital speedometer?

is there a pro and cons between split and non split seats?

[StrongBow]

sorry man. total noob here. i did remember someone mentioned about UG3 having the digital speedometer already. but again, whats the diff between ug3 and ug4?

and is UG a acronym for something? i would like to know what it stands for! =)

[spaiduhz]

sorry man. total noob here. i did remember someone mentioned about UG3 having the digital speedometer already. but again, whats the diff between ug3 and ug4?

and is UG a acronym for something? i would like to know what it stands for! =)

 

Is the ug4 the one with bar clips instead of handlebar?

[roderick]

sorry man. total noob here. i did remember someone mentioned about UG3 having the digital speedometer already. but again, whats the diff between ug3 and ug4?

and is UG a acronym for something? i would like to know what it stands for! =)

 

UG = UpGrade.

 

UG4 has the digi speedo. can go read up on the differences on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajaj_Pulsar

 

i rmb how i used to stalk SBT n re-read that page many times before finally buying one. haha. good luck on your 2b!

[StrongBow]

UG = UpGrade.

 

UG4 has the digi speedo. can go read up on the differences on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajaj_Pulsar

 

i rmb how i used to stalk SBT n re-read that page many times before finally buying one. haha. good luck on your 2b!

 

 

hey THANKS DUDE! =) so do u have a ug3 or ug4 now? =))

[alvinyansg]

sorry man. total noob here. i did remember someone mentioned about UG3 having the digital speedometer already. but again, whats the diff between ug3 and ug4?

and is UG a acronym for something? i would like to know what it stands for! =)

 

 

basically if you buying new bike there are 3 model of pulsars for sale

 

basically:

P200: oil cooled,digital speedo,no kick start,bigger tires

P180 UG4: air cooled,digital speedo,no kick start,same tire size as p200,clip on handle bars

P135 LS: air cooled,4 valve engine,digital speedo

[StrongBow]

wow. u people really cleared up alot of my queries tonight! =)

but now i got a new list. LOL

 

1) do you all do sprocket modifications or modifications of other kinds to increase the speed of your pulsars? or are u all okay with 120km/h?

2) O'Ren mentioned that if i change the stock tyres of the pulsar.. are the stock tyres of the pulsar not good to use?

3) no kickstart is it okay? i tried my friends bike in msia and the push start just wont start up after a cold night.

4) difference between split seats and non-split seats

 

thanks for ur patience. =)

[Ardian]

UG = UpGrade.

 

UG4 has the digi speedo. can go read up on the differences on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajaj_Pulsar

 

i rmb how i used to stalk SBT n re-read that page many times before finally buying one. haha. good luck on your 2b!

 

Haha..! Im stalking SBT nw.. Planning to get a Pulsar once i get back my license..

[mjbs64]

P200 split seat

 

http://burnyourfuel.com/My_Files/Bajaj/New-Pulsar-180cc/new_pulsar_180cc-rear-seats.jpg

 

 

 

P180 single seat

 

http://image2.mouthshut.com/images/ImagesR/2006/10/925051469-108972-1.jpg?a=5/9/2011%204:47:50%20AM

[ORen]

wow. u people really cleared up alot of my queries tonight! =)

but now i got a new list. LOL

 

1) do you all do sprocket modifications or modifications of other kinds to increase the speed of your pulsars? or are u all okay with 120km/h?

2) O'Ren mentioned that if i change the stock tyres of the pulsar.. are the stock tyres of the pulsar not good to use?

3) no kickstart is it okay? i tried my friends bike in msia and the push start just wont start up after a cold night.

4) difference between split seats and non-split seats

 

thanks for ur patience. =)

 

For the top speed, it is exactly what it is: "top" speed. i.e "max" speed. no one can travel all the time at the top speed.

Also, consider that we're talking about a 200cc bike. By nature, it has limits. You want to travel "cruise" speed of 120/130, get a much bigger bike built for that. A 2B bike will always have a comfort zone ranging between 50km/h to 90km/h. For the Pulsar, it's FC is best around 80km/h, it hits 100km/h on 7rpm, and knowing that 8rpm is almost in the "red" of the speedometer, you get the picture.

I can sometimes do small portions on the expressway at 110km/h even with a pillion, but that's generally when it's empty, and down slope or with wind behind me - I don't aim for it, I pick up speed naturally with the help of the environment. My usual top speed alone is 95-100km/h - with a pillion, around 95km/h and below (highway of course, when traffic permits). I don't like to stress the engine, I want to keep my bike for a long time and I want to take good care of it. If you want to whack it, and mod it to get it to go faster, up to you but remember, it's not meant for that so you'll hit a ceiling soon enough.

 

Also, the bike will vibrate more at higher speeds. Using an aftermarket sprocket can help, but in the end, after 100km/h, the vibrations are there and it's not a comfortable "cruising" feeling.

Some of us don't ride above 75km/h, some stay under 85km/h and some just like to whack any chance they get. There is no right or wrong.

Even yourself, now you're talking all this stuff about top speed... I can assure you you won't be bothered after getting to know your bike because you'll understand better what you really want and how to get it (class 2A or class2 if speed is the thrill)

If you need speed to get you out of tricky situations, then it's pick up speed you need and no 2B is going to give you that in a way that's efficient enough. If you want top speed because you like the feeling of riding fast, then again, a bigger bike will suit you much better. If you want the speed to be able to shorten your travel times, well, this is Singapore and at the end of the day you'll never "win" more than a few minutes - the distances are so short ! (not to mention horrendous traffic at peak hours that just makes it impossible to enjoy high speeds).

 

Most of us who did sprocket modifications it was to get more comfort according to our riding style: some wanted better torque, better pick up, some wanted higher cruising speed. Once you get used to riding and get comfortable with handling the bike, its weight, its gears, you'll figure out what you want and you can make some changes. But it will never be a drastic change, just a little bonus that will make your ride more enjoyable according to your riding style.

 

We are all ok with the speed the Pulsar delivers because all of us have the FC and low maintenance cost as primary target. Then comes the smoothness of the ride and the roughness of the bike which can pretty much deliver everything we want from a bike in Singapore: good weather resistance, good in heavy traffic (no heating up or stalling), great with pillions/boxes/load, good pick up from stopping position, easy to handle and maneuver through traffic even with boxes.

Last but not least, it is a bike that ages very well when taken care of. Some here have a 3-4 year old Pulsar that delivers just as much as any new bike. In a nutshell, we have a great commuting/transportation mean that is very cheap, delivers enough power and road efficiency to take us anywhere we want in SG (and beyond!) at a speed we find very suitable, and doesn't look too bad

 

As for the tyres, the stock tyres are meant for rougher roads. Sandy, patchy roads. Not the ultra clean-shiny-slippery roads of Singapore. Some can ride just fine with stock tyres. But the majority of us feel much better after changing the tyres. You can easily fall or skid with the stock tyres for example in MSCP slopes, which doesn't happen when you change to other tyres. It's not about your skills, it's how much the tyres grip the road. It's not an absolute necessity to change them, but it's recommended (I personally think it's a must for enhanced safety, but you can try the stock ones and see how you feel..).

 

Alvin is right, I meant split seats. The only difference is non-split seat is one piece and split seats you have two pieces (one for the rider, one for the pillion). I prefer the look of the split seat but that's just me. Google images of P180 / P200 and you'll see for yourself (Edit: thanks MJ ! )

 

Kickstart is a matter of personal preference I think. We're not living in such cold countries that it's an issue. Some will tell you that a kickstart is an additional security in case of electric issue or electric failure. Personally I think if I can't push start the bike, there isn't a thing a kickstart can do for me, so I'm not bothered with not having one. Again, in terms of cosmetics, I think it's nicer not to have it on the side of the bike.

Now, my turn to ask you a few questions:

 

- are you planning on investing in protective gear ?

- are you already owning a full face helmet or aiming to get one ?

- would you ride in flip-flops or shorts ?

- do you own gloves ?

 

Before you do anything to the bike (beside the tyres maybe), consider budgeting for safety gear: FF helmet, gloves and a Jacket are the very minimum.

Then come knee guards and riding boots.

Once you have that, you can start putting money in sprockets and other things. It's easier to invest in protective gear at the very beginning because it will become a normal, natural part of your riding experience.

It's a very long term investement that next year and the year after, you'll still benefit from.

And of course, it will save your life or save your skin, and most certainly save you money from hospital bills.

 

I think people should get full protective gear when they get their license, THEN get a bike. It's a bit too idealist, but that would really make riding a more enjoyable experience for riders and more importantly, for their family and friends

 

Just a thought for all new riders to keep in mind and think about..

 

Oh, and also, search for the "STREET SMART" thread on this forum. Read it from first to last page, and in 6 months, read it again. There are great tips and info there, things that can really help you be safer and a better rider

Edited June 5, 2011 by O'Ren

[ORen]

Haha..! Im stalking SBT nw.. Planning to get a Pulsar once i get back my license..

 

Stalkers and lurkers are always welcome, no worries !

Why did you get you license suspended ?

So you'd go from the Aprilia 125 to the Pulsar (Honda wave is out of the game ) - is the RS125 a sports bike or a street bike ?

[Ardian]

Stalkers and lurkers are always welcome, no worries !

Why did you get you license suspended ?

So you'd go from the Aprilia 125 to the Pulsar (Honda wave is out of the game ) - is the RS125 a sports bike or a street bike ?

 

Im not going from Aprilia to Pulsar.. Im looking(found) for a commuting bike which i can save on petrol and maintainence, as for top speed.. Im kinda having a phobia with that topic.. Haha..! If u all get what i mean.. Aprilia is a passion and hobby i shall say.. And ya, its a sports bike(that got me to trouble)..

[StrongBow]

O'Ren i decided not to quote you because of your long reply!

Hey, thanks man, i am really not a speedster. believe me! hahaha.

i ve been driving long enough in malaysia to encounter a few bike accidents.

 

Firstly, what brand of tyres do u recommend i change to?

I oftenly see u all type "ratios" for tyre changes.

what does it really means? front big rear small? or vice versa? what does each ratio do?

 

Hmmm, about your questions, here goes.

yes i do intend to get protective equipment as driving in malaysia

I do own a helmet, but its not a full face one. Its a Zeus helmet XL. LAB told me its the biggest one he got for my budget (70 bucks) ( i got a big head).

sometimes my helmet still hurts my head after putting it on for a very long period of time (1hr40mins practice at bbdc makes my head spin). =(

 

i do not have a jacket but does a tshirt and arm socks count as proper top half body protection?

anyway i will ask UM for a free jacket or raincoat when im getting the bike! =)

 

i do only have durian gloves at the moment and i will definitely get something soon! any recommendations on any certain brand of glove that is nice?

 

honestly speaking i think i will ride with shorts and flipflops. but thats only when lets say while im in msia and only gonna visit a friend which is a 5 mins ride away? or any other examples of short and sweet travels that u can think of.

 

=)

[mfk74]

anyway i will ask UM for a free jacket or raincoat when im getting the bike! =)

 

 

Bro, when i get my 2nd hand 180 @ UM..I manage to a get 2 helmets , raincoat & a 2nd hand 45l Zeus box...

[NoFishesAllowed]

wow. u people really cleared up alot of my queries tonight! =)

but now i got a new list. LOL

 

1) do you all do sprocket modifications or modifications of other kinds to increase the speed of your pulsars? or are u all okay with 120km/h?

2) O'Ren mentioned that if i change the stock tyres of the pulsar.. are the stock tyres of the pulsar not good to use?

3) no kickstart is it okay? i tried my friends bike in msia and the push start just wont start up after a cold night.

4) difference between split seats and non-split seats

 

thanks for ur patience. =)

 

 

1.my cruise speed easily hit 120... top is 137-140 area... lol..

2.definately i prefer jap soft compounds. better performance and safety to me

3. got once i batt die.. push start total 6 times for 4 trips.. to school, out of school, from home to makan, from makan to workshop.. if u know how to push start it will be ok.. install voltmetre is a goodplan

4. split seat and non split seat i dun think for diff.. one is 2 seat one is one seat... dpdp

 

 

I SHAVE MY SEAT!!! but my feet still noton the ground.. my legs are reallyreally short

 

@oren: i wear glove then i got a very obvious tan line on myhand:( any jacket u can recomment me for hot weather riding?

[revhappy]

Is the ug4 the one with bar clips instead of handlebar?

 

Thats correct. It is taken from the P220

[revhappy]

hey guys.. i feel very hard to push my bike out of parking space and sometimes i tip toe a little.. just a slight bit.. and i know for sure shaving seat is good for me.l but will it affect the handling of the bike when it moves?

 

Its ok to tip toe a bit bro. Basically at traffic signals you just lean the bike on one side a bit and rest on one leg fully on the ground and other leg rest on the foot peg. That is normal for Asian average height and naked bikes are designed like that only. If you are taller or if you shave off the seat then, the foot pegs position wont be comfortable.

 

If you compare with cruisers like phantom, they have low saddle height and you can rest both legs comfortably, but you will notice the foot pegs are far away in the front.