Inevitable Crash/Collision

[nikonll]

I was just wondering, If let's say, you were suddenly in a situation where a crash or head-on collision is inevitable.

 

Is there any research which shows which is the best way to crash? eg. Purposely slide the bike and skid, try leap out pf the bike, Try and roll away...etc...

[ben1112]

Thing is, situations defer greatly and most take place quickly. If there's a way to crash safer, can u perform that action? Would u have enough time to react? Would u be too stunned to remember to do it?

 

1001 things can happen on the road, no point discussing it. Thread should be closed.

[JackOHJack]

why.. so.. serious?

 

i think things like "shd just fall as per normal or try to tuck limbs and roll into a ball" plays a part? no?

 

even in army also teach u break fall, u mean got so zhun u fall that way and use ur arm and shout heeyah! and really use ur arms to zham the ground to break fall to prevent more damage to ur torso?!?! come on.. but still teach coz may really come into play ma?

 

at least discuss ald still got chance to rmbr, if dun even noe at all means no need to even try to recall..

[nikonll]

Thing is, situations defer greatly and most take place quickly. If there's a way to crash safer, can u perform that action? Would u have enough time to react? Would u be too stunned to remember to do it?

 

1001 things can happen on the road, no point discussing it. Thread should be closed.

 

Hi Ben,

 

I believe the human mind is capable of such quick thinking. But it depends on the individual.

 

Just a discussion yea? No need to close me thread...

[taaouicha]

I doubt there’s any answer to this question. U can try to do that(tuck arms in protect yr torso with hands but if crash at >100km/h goodluck) but everything is situational. Best way to not get seriously hurt from a crash to me is

1. Get a bigger cc bike (better stability, harder to skid, harder to wheel lock)

2. Use decent gear while riding, full-face, jeans covered shoes

3. To me I prefer sports bikes better stability during corners as well as better technology in braking etc if a bike is good enough for track it be more than enough for roads

4. Bigger cc more horsepower enough to let u accelerate after overtaking and allows u to maintain a safe distance between vehicles in front n behind you.

 

Funny to notice people in Asia do stunt a lot on small bikes but Europeans/Americans do it on a bigger cc bike. To me I feel a higher cc bike = safer

Just my point of view.

Can look at that video below literally can stand n jump on a 1000cc sports bike n it won’t skid assuming u land flat on the tank. Try doing that on a 2 b bike lolz

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSP-xXhHuuc&feature=related

[ben1112]

Maybe i sound very serious la, but i just witnessed an accident few days ago one car sideswipe two bike at orchard junction. Two riders just fly like rag dolls. If one has time to react, the reaction time/'quick thinking' should be used to slow yourself down whenever possible or siam.

 

If it's an Inevitable situation like what u described, i suggest to relax and not do anything. Try to keep your limbs in but not to use too much force, just relax. Don't try to stand up or put ur limbs out to slow yourself. Your torso can take much more beating then your limbs. Just don't try to do anything is the best thing u can try.

I saw my friend skid right infront of me and he tried to stand/stick his hand out cos he 'thought' he had stopped. He ended up with titanium in his hands. Even after you fall, pause for one min, wriggle your fingers and toes to see if your limbs are still there and access your bodily damage. Dont think car will bang u faster run, cos if u stand up and giddy u might stumble into a collision path with another vehicle.

 

I have fallen quite a few times and been to hospital within my first year of riding and i have more then 20-30 scars/scratches(minor) all over my body. No broken bones even when once i was knocked out unconscious. Yes i was foolish/lucky, but i learnt the hard way.

 

So best way is dont do anything. What must be done has/shud already be done during 'reaction' time. Times up means brace and prepare for worst.

 

Hope someone can appreciate my views.

[taaouicha]

Maybe i sound very serious la, but i just witnessed an accident few days ago one car sideswipe two bike at orchard junction. Two riders just fly like rag dolls. If one has time to react, the reaction time/'quick thinking' should be used to slow yourself down whenever possible or siam.

 

If it's an Inevitable situation like what u described, i suggest to relax and not do anything. Try to keep your limbs in but not to use too much force, just relax. Don't try to stand up or put ur limbs out to slow yourself. Your torso can take much more beating then your limbs. Just don't try to do anything is the best thing u can try.

I saw my friend skid right infront of me and he tried to stand/stick his hand out cos he 'thought' he had stopped. He ended up with titanium in his hands. Even after you fall, pause for one min, wriggle your fingers and toes to see if your limbs are still there and access your bodily damage. Dont think car will bang u faster run, cos if u stand up and giddy u might stumble into a collision path with another vehicle.

 

I have fallen quite a few times and been to hospital within my first year of riding and i have more then 20-30 scars/scratches(minor) all over my body. No broken bones even when once i was knocked out unconscious. Yes i was foolish/lucky, but i learnt the hard way.

 

So best way is dont do anything. What must be done has/shud already be done during 'reaction' time. Times up means brace and prepare for worst.

 

Hope someone can appreciate my views.

 

Agreed bro, the reaction time is make or break. That few seconds or .X of a sec to either siam or slow down will either save u from accident or get u into one.

I think part of it also got to do with rider experience... like a newbie rider might juz jam rear brake a lot while trying to slow down a lot n that might cause back wheel lock n make for an even worse accident….to siam also u need to know whether u can siam in time and road condition no point siam from car a then bang into car b

[nikonll]

Maybe i sound very serious la, but i just witnessed an accident few days ago one car sideswipe two bike at orchard junction. Two riders just fly like rag dolls. If one has time to react, the reaction time/'quick thinking' should be used to slow yourself down whenever possible or siam.

 

If it's an Inevitable situation like what u described, i suggest to relax and not do anything. Try to keep your limbs in but not to use too much force, just relax. Don't try to stand up or put ur limbs out to slow yourself. Your torso can take much more beating then your limbs. Just don't try to do anything is the best thing u can try.

I saw my friend skid right infront of me and he tried to stand/stick his hand out cos he 'thought' he had stopped. He ended up with titanium in his hands. Even after you fall, pause for one min, wriggle your fingers and toes to see if your limbs are still there and access your bodily damage. Dont think car will bang u faster run, cos if u stand up and giddy u might stumble into a collision path with another vehicle.

 

I have fallen quite a few times and been to hospital within my first year of riding and i have more then 20-30 scars/scratches(minor) all over my body. No broken bones even when once i was knocked out unconscious. Yes i was foolish/lucky, but i learnt the hard way.

 

So best way is dont do anything. What must be done has/shud already be done during 'reaction' time. Times up means brace and prepare for worst.

 

Hope someone can appreciate my views.

 

THanks for your sharing. I guess 'do nothing' is also 'doing something' in your perspective..

[nikonll]

Actually slowing down and braking is quite the straightforward reaction. But what i was thinking is out of that.

 

Let put in this scenario where brakes are malfunctioning, and there is no escape route but to crash into a car stopped in front of you.

 

Any best/safest way to crash? Maybe slide and fetus position? i don't know...

 

Maybe someone came across such an article. thats why i am asking.

[taaouicha]

ugh brake malfunction can still slow down

Use engine braking

drop gears but if u drop from lets say gear 5 to gear 1 all in 1 shot uhm goodluck :/

[ben1112]

I doubt there’s any answer to this question. U can try to do that(tuck arms in protect yr torso with hands but if crash at >100km/h goodluck) but everything is situational. Best way to not get seriously hurt from a crash to me is

1. Get a bigger cc bike (better stability, harder to skid, harder to wheel lock)

2. Use decent gear while riding, full-face, jeans covered shoes

3. To me I prefer sports bikes better stability during corners as well as better technology in braking etc if a bike is good enough for track it be more than enough for roads

4. Bigger cc more horsepower enough to let u accelerate after overtaking and allows u to maintain a safe distance between vehicles in front n behind you.

 

Funny to notice people in Asia do stunt a lot on small bikes but Europeans/Americans do it on a bigger cc bike. To me I feel a higher cc bike = safer

Just my point of view.

Can look at that video below literally can stand n jump on a 1000cc sports bike n it won’t skid assuming u land flat on the tank. Try doing that on a 2 b bike lolz

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSP-xXhHuuc&feature=related

 

Blatantly speaking, Most 2b bikes have half past six braking systems and tyres. Even though bigger classed bikes are heavier, they have better brakes and tyres. Eg, 2 stroke 2b sports bike can go pretty fast but their brakes aren't much better then cubs. So all spkrtz riders pls dun go so fast cos your brake are really sh!t.

 

(Abv statement holds true for most part esp for asia made 2b bikes but there are some exceptions)

 

First time i straddled on a cls2 sports bike and hit the brakes from 100 my testicles almost pop out from my eye sockets. Exaggerating but that's what i felt cos being the country bumpkin i was, i pressed the lever with 4 fingers and exerted lever pressure like i would on a 2b bike.

 

From that day onwards i vowed to have decent brakes on any bike i own.

[ben1112]

Actually slowing down and braking is quite the straightforward reaction. But what i was thinking is out of that.

 

Let put in this scenario where brakes are malfunctioning, and there is no escape route but to crash into a car stopped in front of you.

 

Any best/safest way to crash? Maybe slide and fetus position? i don't know...

 

Maybe someone came across such an article. thats why i am asking.

 

I have read an article that says if u crash on the track u should lie flat and slides all the way to the gravel pit. Like how they do it when u watch motoGP But i have no track experience i cant comment.

 

But i think that is not really ideal on the roads, sticking any part of your body out is like sitting on a bus with your head out the window.

 

Assume fetal position or relax. When the inevitable takes place, gears are your only last line of defence.

 

Ah! I suddenly thought of one more thing to do! When u find yourself in the 'oh-sh!t' situation, assume fetal position. Then on, there are a few options;

 

Buddhists - Open your palms and stick them tgt.

Christians - Lock your fingers and stick your palms.

Muslims - Eh.. Idk, face your palms towards your face?

 

then... YOU START PRAYING TO GOD!

[taaouicha]

Blatantly speaking, Most 2b bikes have half past six braking systems and tyres. Even though bigger classed bikes are heavier, they have better brakes and tyres. Eg, 2 stroke 2b sports bike can go pretty fast but their brakes aren't much better then cubs. So all spkrtz riders pls dun go so fast cos your brake are really sh!t.

 

(Abv statement holds true for most part esp for asia made 2b bikes but there are some exceptions)

 

First time i straddled on a cls2 sports bike and hit the brakes from 100 my testicles almost pop out from my eye sockets. Exaggerating but that's what i felt cos being the country bumpkin i was, i pressed the lever with 4 fingers and exerted lever pressure like i would on a 2b bike.

 

From that day onwards i vowed to have decent brakes on any bike i own.

 

agreed bro, i havent ride class 2 bike still waiting to enroll

but when riding my gsxr/zxr 2a bikes i love the stability a lot more and brakes are SWEET compared to my old krr.

and can really corner without any light feeling like wanting to skid

and braking distance on 2b krr/sp/tzm with pillon on + on a rainy day is utter crap... takes way too long to slow down

[ben1112]

I think we should encourage youngsters to -=MOB=- their brakes instead of carburetors, exhausts and whatnot. You can feel Gs from braking too you know? lol..

[lollibear]

 

very good thread, upon reading all the comments, reminds me of how vulnerable we actually are on the roads. makes me feel lucky to be still alive.

 

ride safely

[ben1112]

 

very good thread, upon reading all the comments, reminds me of how vulnerable we actually are on the roads. makes me feel lucky to be still alive.

 

ride safely

 

No joke bro... Just to add on, the accident i witness a few days ago, i was stopped at a junction at borders then along the left/right flow, two poor macdonalds blokes were sent flying into a drain when sideswiped by a car. I was a few meters away from being T-boned and involved in the saga. (Note: Some riders love to inch forward very excessively so much so that they are on the ped crossing. Eg. Msian riders. Luckily i was stopped where i should have and was able to help save the two fellas instead of being saved.

 

After watch such an epic drama happen right in front of my eyes, i couldn't help but think what if i was put into that situation, what would i have done. Fact was, given the vehicle speed and large junction box and if circumstances permit, I am quite confident of braking from 70-80kph to close to naught before hitting the kerb like that did. But the riders involved, weren't able to do that. I only heard screeching at the very last few metres before impact. One bike was a stock spark, yes with sh!t brakes so we can all understand stopping was out of the question even if the rider tried. However the other bike was a spanking brand new aprilia rs125. I've never ridden one but i suppose its capable of pulling a huge stoppie when put in such a situation? Rider incompetence aside that is.

 

So i concluded that 1, they did not have enough time to react. Or 2, incompetent rider/bike combo. There simply wasn't any time to contemplate other course of action like what TS has suggested.

 

So everybody out there on two wheels, go change your brakes if u have lousy ones, and don't save your pennies on pads if your riding a bike bike. Then go practise E-braking until u can lift your rear wheel can lift a little or front wheel screech a little or you feel like your eyes can pop out OR a combination of any.

 

Ride safe guys!

[endlessloop]

I fell before on a track. Everything happened like slow motion. Even as I slide on the floor, I had the time to roll my body from sliding along my side, to sliding along my back...and then just watching the sky and waiting for all the sliding to stopped...I got up and nothing happened to me because it is a race track where there is sand run-off, no traffic and I had leathers, even though I slide like 5 lane wide distance.

 

 

But in the real world, if you were to fall off a bike, even within normal traffic speed, on the public road with traffic...there is a big chance major damage will happen or it becomes fatal.

 

I have seen from TP files, arms being ripped off because the person collided against the metal railing at the side of the road...the chest being ripped apart exposing the bones on the ribbed cage because the body slide and hit the pavement which became a blade...and numerous newspaper stories where fallen riders get ran over by the vehicles behind them that could not stopped or avoid them in time.

 

Yes, maybe there is an answer to best body position to adopt when you just realised you fall off the bike...but physics is physics. No matter what your body position is, the force of impact is going to hit your body and hurt you.

 

The point is to ride in a way that even falling off needs to be avoided because it can be fatal.

[Pplater]

I was just wondering, If let's say, you were suddenly in a situation where a crash or head-on collision is inevitable.

 

Is there any research which shows which is the best way to crash? eg. Purposely slide the bike and skid, try leap out pf the bike, Try and roll away...etc...

 

I've heard some older bikers tell me that in the event of a fall, I should relax my body and not tense up. They said that tensing up would break more bones. Letting the body "go soft" and roll reduces the damage.

 

But as many others will tell u, trying not get into the situation where u have to execute a proper fall is better. Because even if you can execute proper fall, you can't control whats coming behind you. That to me is a bigger worry than an improper fall. In a nutshell, better to worry about not falling And consider wearing some gears so that the damage from a fall is minimized.

[CSV]

yeah, i heard of it before, relax and release your hands from the handlebar so the impact wouldn't shatter your wrist and just slide along the hot, hard tarmac.

 

if you're wearing protective gear, you'll probably end up a little shocked, but if you're not. you're look like the road just shaved your skin off like those machines at the BBQ restaurants.

 

just pray that the vehicles behind stop in time. only thing worse than being in a crash is to have another follow right after.

 

but as usual, be alert and prepared. anticipate and you shouldn't have to experience this. but **** happens.

[ben1112]

I was thinking if someone is interested to organise a practise session where ppl can practise a slalom course where ppl can get acquainted with making turns quickly and ebrakes.

 

If driving centres had that like they do overseas, and you could use your own bike, that would be great! Imagine being able to do the ebraking on wet surface ON your own bike at BBDC. Surely you would end the day confident of knowing how much your bike and you are capable of and be able to utilise in an emergency situation.

[antartica]

I was thinking if someone is interested to organise a practise session where ppl can practise a slalom course where ppl can get acquainted with making turns quickly and ebrakes.

 

If driving centres had that like they do overseas, and you could use your own bike, that would be great! Imagine being able to do the ebraking on wet surface ON your own bike at BBDC. Surely you would end the day confident of knowing how much your bike and you are capable of and be able to utilise in an emergency situation.

 

only draw back is there won't be mechs at the ready with spares & tools to do instant repairs & no insurance for training incidents...

[swiftee]

once you prepared to crash alr, let go the bike let it go its own merry way. relax your body. whatever part of your body got armour on it can use it to take the shock (e.g. your forearm armour). tuck in your head and limbs and protect whatever unprotected parts. i think that's probably as much as you can plan for during an actual crash

 

for me i habitually use my forearm to take shocks. don't know whether this is good or not...

Edited January 28, 2010 by swiftee

[ben1112]

If you hold your arms close to your chest den okay la. Dun stick it out later you dislocate your shoulders!

[katdawg]

i watched one video before, about one rider who was involved in an accident and what she did then and there. she rolled herself into a ball and flew off the bike. but she was wearing protective gear la. and thats not in singapore, road condition/traffic different. i guess it depends on the situation. ride safe and pray for safety!

[WawanAprilia]

I personally feels that crash/collision is always inevitable but can b avoided to a certain degree ... E braking also requires techniques like not locking ya arms and stuff ... But sometimes when reality happens , **** happens ... So don ya riding gear and ride safe yah !!