Safety officer

welly · May 29, 2010

just a qns to ask. among the main 3 industries mainly oil/gas, marine/shipping and building/construction, which one is the best in terms of gaining experience? pay is secondary here as gaining the most knowledge is the most impt when just starting out. thanks in advance guys.

start small n go for construction...

shaiful72346 · May 29, 2010

start small n go for construction...

ok thanks welly.

cstay66 · May 29, 2010

just a qns to ask. among the main 3 industries mainly oil/gas, marine/shipping and building/construction, which one is the best in terms of gaining experience? pay is secondary here as gaining the most knowledge is the most impt when just starting out. thanks in advance guys.

handsome, your question hor... erh... tough leh.

if someone say oil/gas, does that mean that construction industry has got nothing to learn or of lower skill set and knowledge base?

in fact, each industry is unique and has its required skill and knowledge to pursue.

if you want to gain more knowledge, stay put in your institute, don't graduate lah. you sure learn more knowledge. and you will see your head getting bigger and bigger. and you will start to segregate the industry and people by dividing them into who got more knowledge and who got less.

then one day, you will discover that ppl in the construction earn less than the ppl in the oil/gas and the ppl in the marine/off shore industry paid 6 months bonuses. then you conclude that maybe the knowledge of construction ppl may be low class lah, that's why they paid little.

then one day you do a google search on "safety officer" and it leads you to this safety officer forum by singaporebikes.com and you humbly throw a question on gaining knowledge and not the pay.

handsome, just come straight to the point lah : who pays the most? and i believe you get more replies.

of course, there will always be some noble replies to saying that work is not all about pay. knowledge is powerful when it is used in the right way. otherwise, it puffs up.

shaiful72346 · May 29, 2010

handsome, your question hor... erh... tough leh.

if someone say oil/gas, does that mean that construction industry has got nothing to learn or of lower skill set and knowledge base?

in fact, each industry is unique and has its required skill and knowledge to pursue.

if you want to gain more knowledge, stay put in your institute, don't graduate lah. you sure learn more knowledge. and you will see your head getting bigger and bigger. and you will start to segregate the industry and people by dividing them into who got more knowledge and who got less.

then one day, you will discover that ppl in the construction earn less than the ppl in the oil/gas and the ppl in the marine/off shore industry paid 6 months bonuses. then you conclude that maybe the knowledge of construction ppl may be low class lah, that's why they paid little.

then one day you do a google search on "safety officer" and it leads you to this safety officer forum by singaporebikes.com and you humbly throw a question on gaining knowledge and not the pay.

handsome, just come straight to the point lah : who pays the most? and i believe you get more replies.

of course, there will always be some noble replies to saying that work is not all about pay. knowledge is powerful when it is used in the right way. otherwise, it puffs up.

hmm very valid point you have there. i do understand the fact that oil/gas are usually paid more and that marine/offshore have superb bonuses.

but for my current situation right now, i just hope that i can set off into this safety industry on the right foot. this is because i read one of the many previous posts, a guy did mention that for inexperienced ppl, it's better to start in marine due to the nature of their industry. from there, gain as much experience as possible and move on.

in my opinion, i always believe that we have to go thru hardship to really learn. yes, taking up courses and getting the certs does prove one's credibility. but practically doing the job on the ground is an entire different case. just my 2cents worth.

anway thank you so much for your view cstay66. appreciate the guidance.

WarForGe · May 31, 2010

There are good and not so good companies in either industries. Which is why "Safety is top down commitment". The top management's commitment can make or break the safety culture, directly affecting what experiences you can "learn".

To put it in the simplest way.. generalised to my knowledge, not accurate to be used as a guideline (please correct me if I'm wrong);

Construction

Super dynamic - stakeholders can change in hours, days or weeks, people come and go or you may see the same joker for the next 3 years. Planned or unplanned work activities can "suddenly" be completed over the weekend/public holidays. Alot to learn, alot to share, alot to lose also. Project size can range from peanuts to enormous, from extremely dirty to super clean (in some construction of cleanrooms, we're talking about micron size particles count per cubic metre).

People can listen to you but do nothing or nobody will listen to you and do everything wrong. An industry where usually a person wears multiple hats, over stretched, overworked. People are usually your biggest problem. Good people are gems but nobody appreciates.

Marine (I have zero experience in Marine FYI)

Rigid, regimental - multiple incompatible, high risk work activities (which is why they have VCSS meetings 365 days a year). Contractors have to declare what materials (e.g. chemicals) they are using otherwise can't get in shipyard, etc. Strict work methods and procedures. Tight schedules, so don't think you can suka suka SWO there without a strong valid reason.

Petrol/Chemical (zero experience in PetChem also)

This industry very wide range. You can be dealing with polymer pallets, hydrogen sulphide, painkillers/antibiotics, heavy crude oil, etc. The work activities also varies from systematic (boring same old thing everyday) to dynamic (research labs might anytime go boomz).

But why these 3 industries? Don't forget there are service industry, transport and logistic industry, healthcare industry, etc.. next year we will even see more industries (in fact every workplace) like education industry, wholesale and retail, information communications, etc.

Every industry got something new to learn. Even every different company got something new to learn. Just a problem that everybody feels that their system is number one and refused to learn. There's only safety if you can learn to see the danger. Unfortunately, not everyone can.

shaiful72346 · May 31, 2010

There are good and not so good companies in either industries. Which is why "Safety is top down commitment". The top management's commitment can make or break the safety culture, directly affecting what experiences you can "learn".

To put it in the simplest way.. generalised to my knowledge, not accurate to be used as a guideline (please correct me if I'm wrong);

Construction
Super dynamic - stakeholders can change in hours, days or weeks, people come and go or you may see the same joker for the next 3 years. Planned or unplanned work activities can "suddenly" be completed over the weekend/public holidays. Alot to learn, alot to share, alot to lose also. Project size can range from peanuts to enormous, from extremely dirty to super clean (in some construction of cleanrooms, we're talking about micron size particles count per cubic metre).

People can listen to you but do nothing or nobody will listen to you and do everything wrong. An industry where usually a person wears multiple hats, over stretched, overworked. People are usually your biggest problem. Good people are gems but nobody appreciates.

Marine (I have zero experience in Marine FYI)
Rigid, regimental - multiple incompatible, high risk work activities (which is why they have VCSS meetings 365 days a year). Contractors have to declare what materials (e.g. chemicals) they are using otherwise can't get in shipyard, etc. Strict work methods and procedures. Tight schedules, so don't think you can suka suka SWO there without a strong valid reason.

Petrol/Chemical (zero experience in PetChem also)
This industry very wide range. You can be dealing with polymer pallets, hydrogen sulphide, painkillers/antibiotics, heavy crude oil, etc. The work activities also varies from systematic (boring same old thing everyday) to dynamic (research labs might anytime go boomz).

But why these 3 industries? Don't forget there are service industry, transport and logistic industry, healthcare industry, etc.. next year we will even see more industries (in fact every workplace) like education industry, wholesale and retail, information communications, etc.

Every industry got something new to learn. Even every different company got something new to learn. Just a problem that everybody feels that their system is number one and refused to learn. There's only safety if you can learn to see the danger. Unfortunately, not everyone can.

i see. wow, that was quite a lengthy and detailed explanation. really really appreciate your help WarForge!

anyway i need views from our forumers here. taking into consideration that i have the necessary paper qualifications to start off my career in safety, and it's just experience i'm lacking in, what should i do?

i've read ppl saying to apply via the several 'safety consultants' that are already present. but the thing is, i undrstand that they will deploy you to different places based on demands. so understandably, you will often be transfered from one place to another. wouldn't that effect your learning process?

or 2nd option, die die try to find a safety job, irregardless of any industry, to accept me. of course have to be prepared for the low starting pay and that dreaded endless-resume-sending for days, weeks or even months. not to mention, YEARS. and once accepted, stick there for a couple of years, learn and gain experiences and move on.

so yeah, which one? i'm sure ALL our fellow ss, sc, so have been thru this situation. what are your views ppl. thank you guys in advance. peace.

goondoo · June 2, 2010

There are good and not so good companies in either industries. Which is why "Safety is top down commitment". The top management's commitment can make or break the safety culture, directly affecting what experiences you can "learn".

To put it in the simplest way.. generalised to my knowledge, not accurate to be used as a guideline (please correct me if I'm wrong);

Construction
Super dynamic - stakeholders can change in hours, days or weeks, people come and go or you may see the same joker for the next 3 years. Planned or unplanned work activities can "suddenly" be completed over the weekend/public holidays. Alot to learn, alot to share, alot to lose also. Project size can range from peanuts to enormous, from extremely dirty to super clean (in some construction of cleanrooms, we're talking about micron size particles count per cubic metre).

People can listen to you but do nothing or nobody will listen to you and do everything wrong. An industry where usually a person wears multiple hats, over stretched, overworked. People are usually your biggest problem. Good people are gems but nobody appreciates.

Marine (I have zero experience in Marine FYI)
Rigid, regimental - multiple incompatible, high risk work activities (which is why they have VCSS meetings 365 days a year). Contractors have to declare what materials (e.g. chemicals) they are using otherwise can't get in shipyard, etc. Strict work methods and procedures. Tight schedules, so don't think you can suka suka SWO there without a strong valid reason.

Petrol/Chemical (zero experience in PetChem also)
This industry very wide range. You can be dealing with polymer pallets, hydrogen sulphide, painkillers/antibiotics, heavy crude oil, etc. The work activities also varies from systematic (boring same old thing everyday) to dynamic (research labs might anytime go boomz).

But why these 3 industries? Don't forget there are service industry, transport and logistic industry, healthcare industry, etc.. next year we will even see more industries (in fact every workplace) like education industry, wholesale and retail, information communications, etc.

Every industry got something new to learn. Even every different company got something new to learn. Just a problem that everybody feels that their system is number one and refused to learn. There's only safety if you can learn to see the danger. Unfortunately, not everyone can.

Very well said!

goondoo · June 2, 2010

The WSH forum is finally up!

wshforum.com

This is the initial look. We are looking at giving it a face lift. Feel free to drop by and give suggestions/comments.

Please support support!

cstay66 · June 2, 2010

The WSH forum is finally up!
wshforum.com
This is the initial look. We are looking at giving it a face lift. Feel free to drop by and give suggestions/comments.
Please support support!

visited the wshforum.com

frankly speaking, don't know where to start loh.

can hav a topic for all to ask stupid questions or not?

why not create or start a few hot questions or topics that arouses interests of discussion...? like why until today still no one cares about safety besides safety ppl? why my safety supervisors on site behave like monkey? etc

also, can arrange the topics according to sms, 14 elements?

goondoo · June 2, 2010

visited the wshforum.com

frankly speaking, don't know where to start loh.

can hav a topic for all to ask stupid questions or not?

why not create or start a few hot questions or topics that arouses interests of discussion...? like why until today still no one cares about safety besides safety ppl? why my safety supervisors on site behave like monkey? etc

Haha.... All these can be posted under General Discussions mah....

Emerging Issues are for discussions on any local issues such as accidents, change of legal requirements etc.

Still fine tuning, sorry for the not so "user friendly" for now. Will try to filll in the blanks soon.

also, can arrange the topics according to sms, 14 elements?

Don't really understand what you mean here.

cstay66 · June 2, 2010

you really goondoo loh.

the 14 sms elements are as follows:

1. safety policy

2. safe work practices

3. safety training

4. group meeting

5. incident and accident investigation and analysis

6. in-house rules and regulations

7. safety promotion

8. evaluation, selection and control of contractors

9. safety inspection

10. maintenance regime

11. risk management

12. control of movement and use of hazardous substances

13. occupational health programme

14. emergency preparedness

are you sure you know nuts about this? and you are setting up a wsh forum with no knowledge about this? oh man, you local or america?

June 2, 2010

The WSH forum is finally up!
wshforum.com
This is the initial look. We are looking at giving it a face lift. Feel free to drop by and give suggestions/comments.
Please support support!

Yo, Am registered.

welly · June 2, 2010

you really goondoo loh.

the 14 sms elements are as follows:

1. safety policy
2. safe work practices
3. safety training
4. group meeting
5. incident and accident investigation and analysis
6. in-house rules and regulations
7. safety promotion
8. evaluation, selection and control of contractors
9. safety inspection
10. maintenance regime
11. risk management
12. control of movement and use of hazardous substances
13. occupational health programme
14. emergency preparedness

are you sure you know nuts about this? and you are setting up a wsh forum with no knowledge about this? oh man, you local or america?

cmon man...give him some credit.....he's trying his best

goondoo · June 3, 2010

you really goondoo loh.

the 14 sms elements are as follows:

1. safety policy
2. safe work practices
3. safety training
4. group meeting
5. incident and accident investigation and analysis
6. in-house rules and regulations
7. safety promotion
8. evaluation, selection and control of contractors
9. safety inspection
10. maintenance regime
11. risk management
12. control of movement and use of hazardous substances
13. occupational health programme
14. emergency preparedness

are you sure you know nuts about this? and you are setting up a wsh forum with no knowledge about this? oh man, you local or america?

Hold your horses, cowboy!

Relax lar! I know what is 14 elements, what I don't understand is what you mean by arranging a forum by 14 elements.

Yo, Am registered.

Please feel free to contribute!

cmon man...give him some credit.....he's trying his best

Thanks welly! He don't usually post that harsh.... must have been a hard day at work.

Suggestions need to elaborate a bit on why the suggestion will benefit the forum or community so we can all see the same point. Else very hard if everyone thinks differently. It is the same reason why we need a WSH forum as many WSH personnel have different opinions on safety. We all know the importance of effective communication.

The forum is very new now and we try to minimise having too many empty sub-forum (in fact, we are considering merging a few others into one). What we can do now is post suggestions under Suggestions, and discussions under General Discussions. As we grow, we can segregate them and split them into various Elements as cstay666 had suggested.

Again, we welcome all suggestions and we thank you for your kind support, not only to the forum, but to the WSH industry.

Regards,

Cheong

Edited June 3, 2010 by goondoo

Prankster · June 3, 2010

Just to add some inputs...

If u could arrange the threads the the 14 element accordin to the WSH act, with the introduction of each and every element.... Sooner or later, most (small) companies will start using it and makin it their SMS in their company man...

Than sooner or later, the whole of Sg would have the same standards.... Muahahahah....

Anyway, am registered too!

goondoo · June 3, 2010

Just to add some inputs...

If u could arrange the threads the the 14 element accordin to the WSH act, with the introduction of each and every element.... Sooner or later, most (small) companies will start using it and makin it their SMS in their company man...

Than sooner or later, the whole of Sg would have the same standards.... Muahahahah....

Anyway, am registered too!

The original idea of the forum is not for anyone to copy and paste blindly into their SHMS, but how they practice. Else, it might do more harm than good such as less WSH job being created.

Prankster · June 3, 2010

That is wat i was thinkin aso...

Haha... But u nv noe who may be surfing the forum...

Bosses of small small companies... A newly appointed RSO who is task to set up SMS (FT or not)...

goondoo · June 3, 2010

That is wat i was thinkin aso...

Haha... But u nv noe who may be surfing the forum...

Bosses of small small companies... A newly appointed RSO who is task to set up SMS (FT or not)...

I agree.... that was one thing I keep having in mind. Maybe next time we will have another column for registered personnel (such as RSO) with more detailed info.

Prankster · June 3, 2010

Which means i'm out of that league....

goondoo · June 3, 2010

Which means i'm out of that league....

haha.... not yet lar, when we have more sensitive data. It depends on the community also. This forum is for community, not for me

June 3, 2010

I agree.... that was one thing I keep having in mind. Maybe next time we will have another column for registered personnel (such as RSO) with more detailed info.

Aiyo, then I'm out too leh.. going to complete the SDWSH early June though...

welly · June 3, 2010

Aiyo, then I'm out too leh.. going to complete the SDWSH early June though...

gd luck man!!!!

goondoo · June 3, 2010

Aiyo, then I'm out too leh.. going to complete the SDWSH early June though...

My CC3/4 assignment just got rejected today @#%$^#$^&^&*

Submitted 1 whole month liao then kena reject #$%#$%^%

Gotta chiong assignment these weekend liao!

PS: About the RSO thingy, its just an example lar, so as to identify safety personnel from ghosts.... Don't worry too much about it .

June 3, 2010

My CC3/4 assignment just got rejected today @#%$^#$^&^&*
Submitted 1 whole month liao then kena reject #$%#$%^%

Gotta chiong assignment these weekend liao!

PS: About the RSO thingy, its just an example lar, so as to identify safety personnel from ghosts.... Don't worry too much about it .

err, pardon my ignorance , wat's CC3/4 ??

Prankster · June 4, 2010

PS: About the RSO thingy, its just an example lar, so as to identify safety personnel from ghosts.... Don't worry too much about it .

Still, i am out of that league....

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