Questions stuck on my head plz help

[heysugar]

As on tittle i'm very confuse with how some things works and hope anyone can help me,

 

I've bought a sp on installment during december 2010

and after riding it for awhile i found out that i cant affort the maintenance and fuel consumption and the heating up part esp during the afternoon so..

 

i thought of changing to a spark, it would be good for me i guess, so here's the question:

Am i able to change it? like from what i heard from my friends, trade in back the sp to the shop and pay a certain amount to take out spark from then same shop?

 

I understand that i need to break even my installment before i can trade in, so far i only paid for the installment from dec 2010 till now which is 7 months only, anyway i tied with the shop for 2 years and a half,

 

anyway idea whether is it possible for me to change to spark? sort of a trade in, would it be worth it?

 

Thanks for readin

[haoKR]

go ask your bike shop abt it.

btw.wads the name of the bike shop you tied with?

[Fried Rice]

you got to check this with the bike shop and see whats the terms and conditions i believe

[Icomeforyou]

To OP: Different bike shops got different rules.

 

Some nicer ones, will eat the bike again, but again depends on how much your loan, how much you down, and how much you paid.

 

If say you bought SP at 2.4k bike price, 1k insurance + road tax + misc = 3k.

 

You down 1k, loan 2.4k for 1 year every month 200. First month you pay then realized cannot up keep, will be 2.4k - 200 = 2.2k. Shop buy back bike at 1.8k, you have to top up 400 for difference.

 

Normally after this then they will let you find another bike, clear the first bike and all outstanding then proceed with spark or something else.

 

Hence, if you say same case, but initially you down $0, meaning you full loan 3.4k, every month $360, 1st month you pay then cannot sustain.

 

3040 balance, bike eat back your bike at 1.6 k, you have to top up 1.44k

 

What happens if you sell your bike back to them and cannot top up the difference? Simple, they will claim against you and you have to pay them back via installments the difference.

 

But more importantly now, you sure you can afford a bike? I say this not in jest or mockery, but in honesty. A bike as you can see is not easy to maintain if you're a student or just joined workforce. Even a spark will cost you a month easily $100 for cash card, parking, petrol, installment perhaps? So let us know if you got any more things on your mind or in your head, but not on your head =)

[Icomeforyou]

To OP: Different bike shops got different rules.

 

Some nicer ones, will eat the bike again, but again depends on how much your loan, how much you down, and how much you paid.

 

If say you bought SP at 2.4k bike price, 1k insurance + road tax + misc = 3k.

 

You down 1k, loan 2.4k for 1 year every month 200. First month you pay then realized cannot up keep, will be 2.4k - 200 = 2.2k. Shop buy back bike at 1.8k, you have to top up 400 for difference.

 

Normally after this then they will let you find another bike, clear the first bike and all outstanding then proceed with spark or something else.

 

Hence, if you say same case, but initially you down $0, meaning you full loan 3.4k, every month $360, 1st month you pay then cannot sustain.

 

3040 balance, bike eat back your bike at 1.6 k, you have to top up 1.44k

 

What happens if you sell your bike back to them and cannot top up the difference? Simple, they will claim against you and you have to pay them back via installments the difference.

 

But more importantly now, you sure you can afford a bike? I say this not in jest or mockery, but in honesty. A bike as you can see is not easy to maintain if you're a student or just joined workforce. Even a spark will cost you a month easily $100 for cash card, parking, petrol, installment perhaps? So let us know if you got any more things on your mind or in your head, but not on your head =)

[heysugar]

The shop is Soon Hin at Yishun industrial park,

 

I once talked to the shop about this and they told me almost the same thing as the above bro said in his post, kinda get in some sense,

 

Still thinking whether is it worth it to change to spark now or wait for 2a and change to super 4 :/

 

And yup! I can afford a bike and realize the cost of sp's fuel and etc is not within my budget :/

[Jehuty]

Sorry to say that the solution is quite simple, don't ride. Public transport.

 

I get 22km/l out of my TZM, one month I top up 2 and half times only, $70 a month or so. Season parking $20 bucks, I don't go through ERP so I'm safe from that.

 

You sell your bike and get a Spark, you still have to fork out money. If you insist on using your SP, do settings, get the mechanic to do your carb to drink less, don't ride in the powerband.

 

Don't think about 2A for now, they will cost more than your SP, must take into consideration that **** happens.

[cougar]

Still thinking whether is it worth it to change to spark now or wait for 2a and change to super 4 :/

 

And yup! I can afford a bike and realize the cost of sp's fuel and etc is not within my budget :/

 

 

Must think thrice, if a sp's already constrain your budget, then any bike also will have the same budget issues.

[Figila]

To be honest,sp very the cheap redi le the maintenance..jialat2 busuk oso bout 18km/l oni.

season parking bout 15-20$a month.

every 6 months change e.o and spark plug,normal servicing..about 15-30dollars only.

maintenance wise i think sp very reasonable redi,change to spark not much diff...at most oso..save few cents on fuel la...

the main thing is if cant afford the instalment..then got problem bro...

[xXxRatedxXx]

To be honest,sp very the cheap redi le the maintenance..jialat2 busuk oso bout 18km/l oni.

season parking bout 15-20$a month.

every 6 months change e.o and spark plug,normal servicing..about 15-30dollars only.

maintenance wise i think sp very reasonable redi,change to spark not much diff...at most oso..save few cents on fuel la...

the main thing is if cant afford the instalment..then got problem bro...

 

Push bike to shop eat.... this boy need to take public transport liao if he finds even paying for season parking difficult.

[heysugar]

Thanks for the advises, what i meant is about the fuel consumption on top of the installment and parking etc, installment and season parking, erp etc i can obviously afford, just looking to a better FC bike

 

I know change to spark now will have to top up quite an amount, i'm able to do that if it is worth it at the long run, cuz i heard 4 stroke bikes can technically 'last longer' and the heat the bike produce is naturally lower than 2 stroke bikes like SP,

 

Alot of my friends who rode, told me to tahan SP and wait for 2A better, so confused!!

[jayz]

so what you mean is you dont like sp's fc and you wanna change bike? you cant afford sp montly expenses? but you wanna wait till 2a? you cannot even afford 2b bike expenses, you think you can afford 2a? i confuse liao leh.

[crazydj]

If you cannot even afford SP maintenance, means you really cannot afford to ride any bike. Period.

[Sky99]

The shop is Soon Hin at Yishun industrial park,

 

I once talked to the shop about this and they told me almost the same thing as the above bro said in his post, kinda get in some sense,

 

Still thinking whether is it worth it to change to spark now or wait for 2a and change to super 4 :/

 

And yup! I can afford a bike and realize the cost of sp's fuel and etc is not within my budget :/

 

You think super 4 is cheaper than a SP?

[crazydj]

You think super 4 is cheaper than a SP?

 

Yes, its way cheaper than SP. I heard Yamaha YBR 125 has very bad fuel consumption. Bajaj Pulsar? Even worse sia! I think the litre bikes have the cheapest maintenance of them all.

Edited July 23, 2011 by crazydj

[Jehuty]

Thanks for the advises, what i meant is about the fuel consumption on top of the installment and parking etc, installment and season parking, erp etc i can obviously afford, just looking to a better FC bike

 

I know change to spark now will have to top up quite an amount, i'm able to do that if it is worth it at the long run, cuz i heard 4 stroke bikes can technically 'last longer' and the heat the bike produce is naturally lower than 2 stroke bikes like SP,

 

Alot of my friends who rode, told me to tahan SP and wait for 2A better, so confused!!

 

Aiyoh, research more on bikes la, 4 stroke last longer because 2 stroke completes the process in one revolution, 4 strokes in 2. They have roughly twice the wear and tear on their engines. Heat produce on 4 strokes is more than 2 strokes, 4 stroke pipes hotter than 2 stroke ones.

 

Tahan your SP till class 2 better la. More than enough power for SG roads. I'm keeping my 2 stroker, in the future no more, keep as antique.

[heysugar]

I think i didn't explain myself clearly, i can afford my current bike's installment and etc, just that looking for a more cost saving in general bike, like spark?

 

All i was asking in this thread was about which is more cost saving comparing Sp and Spark,

 

And the 2A super 4 thingy was obviously when ive eg. a stable source of income flowing in and that's the time i will change to s4,

 

Peace ^^

[wait4me]

i think u buy wave 125 , pulsar or ybr

since heat and petrol is your main concern ...

 

and once again

i have never heard of sp heating up .

i would so like to try your bike

[Jehuty]

SP fuel consumption = Roughly 20km/l, mileage varies with riding behavior, 2T depends which one you use.

Spark FC = Roughly 40km/l, you slow or fast mileage never change, no 2T.

 

Depending on how you ride, how often you use the bike, how far you travel. The Spark will eventually 'earn' back money had you stick to your SP, that one is definite but who counts all this?

[xXxRatedxXx]

HIs coolant pump buay gia already la..... repair that one $$%$$$$$$$

[heysugar]

I once had my coolant washed before, it gets better in a bit though, just wondering comparing heating up, which is lesser? Spark or sp?

 

And to check with any bros out there, sparks with clutch tank 4litre? So let's say 40km/litre so maximum is 160km then needa pump again?

[Throttle]

Sorry to say that the solution is quite simple, don't ride. Public transport.

 

I get 22km/l out of my TZM, one month I top up 2 and half times only, $70 a month or so. Season parking $20 bucks, I don't go through ERP so I'm safe from that.

 

You sell your bike and get a Spark, you still have to fork out money. If you insist on using your SP, do settings, get the mechanic to do your carb to drink less, don't ride in the powerband.

 

Don't think about 2A for now, they will cost more than your SP, must take into consideration that **** happens.

 

 

Well said.

TS shouldnt have bought a bike in the first place.

Now get stuffed. Sell also lose, dont sell also lose.

[Jehuty]

Well said.

TS shouldnt have bought a bike in the first place.

Now get stuffed. Sell also lose, dont sell also lose.

 

Don't forget, these bikes got hidden costs in terms of fixing god knows what.

[Akkie]

bro... see my signature below, look at my first bike --> third bike. I had the same thoughts like you la, when i got my SP, i started thinking about the high FC of the 2 stroke and began looking for a 4 stroke bike, because initially I thought that I would be able to save a lot of money from fuel if i got a 4 stroke instead of a 2 stroke, and at that point of time i didnt want to get a bigger bike because to me the bike is just a transport at first... so I followed my mind and ended up selling the 2 stroke bike to get a 4 stroke. But thing is uh bro, we as humans wont be satisfied with what we have uh. Once we get something, we confirm + chop want to get something better than that after a while.. In this case, I got tired of my 4 stroke and I'm looking forward to my 2A bike now. So think about it uh bro. If you think you can live with a bike that can go to at most 140km/h for the rest of your life, then go ahead sell your 2 stroke and get a 4 stroke for better fuel economy. but if not...just stick with your sp till you get your 2A, then aim for super 4. you wont regret uh bro. and to those of you who are concerned about safety.. i know its dangerous la to speed on a small bike so no point, but sometimes at night in the expressway when there's no other vehicles, it's nice to once in a while try to taste speed mah...just dont endanger ourselves

[knucklehead]

think about the cost incurred when you want to change bike , and the cost incurred when topping up your petrol . the cost that u need to top up to change your spark , that amount can last you how many months for your petrol ?

 

looks like you cAn't really afford the maintenance eh ? summore want to wait for 2a then upgrade to super4? omg ~

 

SP is really easy to maintain , to be honest . more tender loving care if you want it to really behave . if you're looking for a better FC bike , i dont really see much difference . at the end of the day you'll still need to maintain thebike also .

 

not to be mean but i guess you are not stable enough to ride . best solution for you is to BMW . but on the other hand i think you rich la , want to make the shop earn . hahaha

 

but just to share . i sold off my SP (installments cleared) and bought another spark . FC wise its the same . every 1.5days need to top up . but my spark FC is quite BAD . 120-130km for full tank . on the other hand , my SP could go up to 270 on full tank.

 

you might be wondering how come FC like that , but i still need to go pump petrol every other day. coz i travel 43 km to work , 43 km back home . if you're asking me if i DID save alot of money per month , i'll say yes . but then again , it will take quite some time to break even the $3k machine price that i forked out to buy the spark .

 

to sum up -

ride SP , almost $200 / mth spent on petrol itself . not including 2t.

ride spark , spent not more than $80 / mth .

 

but then again , both my bikes are already fully paid for . the rest is up to u to decide .