Fazer '07

[Speedpass]

Originally posted by fat grape@January 31, 2007 03:27 pm

huh.. how come ntuc increase yr premium? care to share?

I oso dunno . Maybe due to GST ? Or maybe the same old story of increased claims by riders so they need to raise premiums .

[FallenAngel]

So scared of getting a 1000cc... cause currently i'm riding a phantom TA200 and suddenly upgrade to such a powerful bike... if cannot handle...

 

Have rode my friend's super4 for quite alot of times after getting my cls2A but the delivery of the power was very disappointing... somemore his is with a legal yoshi pipe... so it totally turned me off to buying a super4... and decided to buy a cls2 bike...

[Mike Ong]

NO doubt abt it...

 

Get a FZ1...

[LollyPoP]

alemak, now got 1 more option: GSR 600.

sit on 1 & e posture was great.

have to tahan til FZ6 reaches our shore, den do a compare side by side.

[PreluDe]

Originally posted by Speedpass@January 31, 2007 03:35 pm

I got mine at $800 . Dunno how bike shop do for me . But tis yr NTUC quote me $900++ .

havent rebate yet, after NCD and insurance that thld me overcharge , will rebate to me as well

[Murpies]

Originally posted by redders@January 30, 2007 03:39 pm

for fazer 180km/hr oso u can cruise easily(at 2nd link of course)..

even though u are alone or wif pillion doesnt really make much difference.

 

do doubt sports will be tiring.. but den don forget we are not riding like 2 or 3 hrs solid. coz we will be stopping rite..

same goes wif fazer,even though its comfortable riding posture,don tell me u can ride for very long..

yr body not aching but will tire yr eyes as well..

i agreed...

[Speedpass]

Juz to ask , anyone free to go m'sian via 2nd link to pump petrol n go somewhere nearby to eat in the afternoons ?

[Murpies]

Originally posted by DeusExMachina@January 30, 2007 04:46 pm

 

The S4 suffered a lot. FZ6 also suffer quite a bit.

 

Only the R1 stayed below 10K for the most part. Surprisingly the 04R1 didn't gimme back ache, and it was my favorite of all when I hit Pos Slim n Gua Musang.

 

I like to reduce my travel time.

you must be riding dame fast man

[PreluDe]

Originally posted by Mike Ong@January 31, 2007 06:55 pm

NO doubt abt it...

 

Get a FZ1...

FZ1

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by fazermurpies@February 01, 2007 10:38 am

you must be riding dame fast man

To me, the NSH is the most boring piece of road ever. Endless wide roads that stretch on forever. Mile after excruciating mile of tarmac. Only the destination matters.... and maybe a few interesting twisties like Cameron/Genting, bla bla... but otherwise it's a big long yawnfest.

 

 

Let's think it this way.

 

You travel at 120... and it will be the rider that's under stress... journey lengthens... boredom sets in... get sleepy.... You want to spend 7 or 8 hours to Cameron??

 

 

Typical comfy cruising spd on NSH is 150 or 160.

On S4, that's abt around 9 or 9+K rpms. On a Fazer 6, abt be in the 8K+ region.

On an R1, that's 6+ to 7K.

 

Sustain that from here to Cameron... now you see which bike is under stress already.

[L-G]

Originally posted by PreluDe@January 31, 2007 05:07 am

that will depending your age too

 

got my at 18k otr

 

compare to other dealer much more X

 

like aspoon 19.5 machine price

 

no offence cos did make a research

hi bro im interested in getting this bike...

im riding gilera currently for almost 3 years now, time to change..

mind sharing how much you down payment and what is ur monthly installment?

anyway its 18k otr at bike production ?

thnx

[LollyPoP]

okie, i'm back...

got a quote from my fav moto-tiam, 07 FZ6 - OTR close to SGD$15k.

based on:

1) rider below 25yrs old, insurance $600 (b4 NCD, F&T)

2) COE as at last mth $1,189

3) $15k is based on 5% GST.

4) e rest like IU, transfer/resigter fee, number retain fee, 6mths rd tax all included

5) 4% interest

 

no hidden, additional fee... i koe cos i bought a couple of bikes from him b4.

BUT, he cannot cfm i'll get a black.

cos from him, 1st shipment onli 5 pieces (shared by 3 shops).

will reach ard end FEB or early MARCH.

guess i gotta wait til it comes b4 i decide anything, no point placing a down payment when i didn't even see e bike.

[LollyPoP]

ohh & 1 more thing.

e lazer (did i got e brand rite?) 4 end-cans for FZ6 is street legal?

price wise?

any feedback for aftermarket exhuast?

[lance666]

Originally posted by LollyPoP@February 02, 2007 11:10 pm

okie, i'm back...

got a quote from my fav moto-tiam, 07 FZ6 - OTR close to SGD$15k.

based on:

1) rider below 25yrs old, insurance $600 (b4 NCD, F&T)

2) COE as at last mth $1,189

3) $15k is based on 5% GST.

4) e rest like IU, transfer/resigter fee, number retain fee, 6mths rd tax all included

5) 4% interest

 

no hidden, additional fee... i koe cos i bought a couple of bikes from him b4.

BUT, he cannot cfm i'll get a black.

cos from him, 1st shipment onli 5 pieces (shared by 3 shops).

will reach ard end FEB or early MARCH.

guess i gotta wait til it comes b4 i decide anything, no point placing a down payment when i didn't even see e bike.

can pm me the shop name???

[Murpies]

Originally posted by DeusExMachina@February 01, 2007 04:30 pm

To me, the NSH is the most boring piece of road ever. Endless wide roads that stretch on forever. Mile after excruciating mile of tarmac. Only the destination matters.... and maybe a few interesting twisties like Cameron/Genting, bla bla... but otherwise it's a big long yawnfest.

 

 

Let's think it this way.

 

You travel at 120... and it will be the rider that's under stress... journey lengthens... boredom sets in... get sleepy.... You want to spend 7 or 8 hours to Cameron??

 

 

Typical comfy cruising spd on NSH is 150 or 160.

On S4, that's abt around 9 or 9+K rpms. On a Fazer 6, abt be in the 8K+ region.

On an R1, that's 6+ to 7K.

 

Sustain that from here to Cameron... now you see which bike is under stress already.

ye ye lets end these and back to the track.. To compare a super4, fazer6 and r1 it all totally different classes and performance. So no point compare their power or RPM. Instate buy a bike tat of your desire

[katana]

Originally posted by LollyPoP@February 02, 2007 11:14 pm

ohh & 1 more thing.

e lazer (did i got e brand rite?) 4 end-cans for FZ6 is street legal?

price wise?

any feedback for aftermarket exhuast?

yes the lazer is street legal, can get from ah chan at mtechnik

cost around 1.4k

sound wise..lose to GRP

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by fazermurpies@February 03, 2007 09:21 am

ye ye lets end these and back to the track.. To compare a super4, fazer6 and r1 it all totally different classes and performance. So no point compare their power or RPM. Instate buy a bike tat of your desire

 

Easy.

 

Bike without comfortable cruising spd vs rpm is a pain.

[Murpies]

As a few have mentioned, here is a comprehensive review of the latest fz6 Fazer against the ’04 and the ’97 model as taken from the latest edition of Motorcycle news. Enjoy.

 

 

BEST OF BOTH WORLDS???

’07 Fazer vs. ’04 Fazer vs. ’97 Fazer

 

Yamaha’s new Fazer has had its handling and fuelling tweaked, aiming to strike a balance between the user-friendly original and the sportier model that replaced it. We tried all three to see if it hits the spot.

 

The original Fazer was a simple, but brilliantly successful idea. A detuned, carburated Thundercat engine held in a basic frame with budget suspension may not exactly ‘give wood’, but it was fun, practical and cheap in a way not seen since the original Suzuki bandit.

Trouble was, it’s 1994 successor, though quicker, hasn’t continued that sales success. Which is why there is a new one for 2007.

That second-generation Fazer featured a detuned, fuel-injected R6 motor and R1 brakes. And although it proved to be fun, it was criticised for been too racy. The motor needed to be revved to get the most out of it and the original bike’s ease of use seemed to have been lost.

To counter that, there has been a raft of changes for 2007. These include a slight restyle, tweaks to the handling (including a new swingarm) and modifications to the fuelling to boost the midrange and rekindle the original’s ease of use.

But has it worked? Does the new Fazer now have the best characteristics of the two old bikes? Is it the best of both worlds-easy to use, but still fun to ride? We decided to find out…

 

SO WHAT’S CHANGED?

 

ON face value, not a lot. But look harder and there’s more than you might expect.

The front fairing has been restyled, the mirrors have been repositioned and the clocks are all new (they’re from last year’s Fazer 1000). The brakes have also been changed to both look good and give improved performance. The new swingarm has been designed to give added rigidity and, like the front forks, is now finished in black.

And there’s more. The seat has been redesigned to give greater comfort on long journeys (although the seat height is the same). Plus, although the motor has remained unchanged, Yamaha has played around with the fuelling to give more midrange. Other minor changes include a larger

Radiator, redesigned pillion pegs and a new helmet holder.

 

CAN YOU FEEL THE DIFFERENCES?

 

YOU do notice some changes straight away. The clocks certainly improve the view, for a start. The redesigned fairing is more angular and sporty, but still gives decent protection up to 150-160 km/h. the slightly wider mirrors offer a better view and if you jump straight from the ’06 bike to the ’07 bike, you’ll notice the difference in the seating and bars. The seat is far comfier on the new bike – it’s 250 kilometre-plus before you start moving around looking for extra comfort.

The new brakes feel stronger, and overall the new bike feels more focused. Engine wise, we previously reported on snatchy fuelling from the first bike we road in Japan. Yamaha promised then that the problem would be rectified before bikes reached the UK, and they have been as good as their word – the fuelling is almost faultless. If you really play about with the throttle there is a slight snatch, but you really have to look for it. There is also a slight improvement in the mid-range thanks to the modified ECU, but you still have to river dance on the gear selector to get the most out of the R6-derived motor.

HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE OLDER BIKES?

 

IF you ride on the far side of 10,000rmp this so-called ‘learner friendly’ bike turns into a different beast – it’s almost like a comfy sports bike. Rev the balls out of the motor and you’ll be rewarded by a top speed of over 230 km/h.

The suspension and brakes will take it all this in their stride, and only at trackday speeds does the suspension start to complain. Ground clearance is better than the competition, too, as are the improved brakes.

On the down side, you have to ride the new machine hard to get the most out of it, which is slightly confusing for a machine designed for inexperienced riders.

But the real shock of this test was how easy to ride the original bike was. With both of the two later machines, you really have to dance around on the gear selector in order to make good progress, but the older carburated bike is far easier to live with.

The original may not be able to match the new in terms of handling, but it’s still good enough for most – and it gives more than enough performance for inexperienced riders.

 

IS THE ’07 EASIER THAN THE ’06?

 

THE new ’07 bike does have a slight improvement in the mid-range, although it’s only really noticeable when riding back-to-back with last year’s model. But compared to the original bike, it feels like it’s missing a massive amount of mid-range – check out the roll – on test figures. Around town and at low speeds the carburated bike is much easier to ride and more learner-friendly. On the other hand, head the wrong side of 170 km/h and both newer bikes leave the original for dead.

 

THE STATISTICS TELL IT ALL

THE facts and figures tell the truth. In terms of speed, the new ’07 Fazer and ’06 version are near identical; the new bike has a slight edge and both are obviously quicker flat-out and over the quarter mile than the old bike.

On the brakes, the new bike wins again. But look at the real world roll-on figures and the old bike throws up a few surprises.

We did some performance tests which simulated real-world manoeuvres. We accelerated from 60-130 km/h in third gear, as if leaving a 60 km/h limit and getting up to speed. We also simulated an overtake of Mr Volvo with a caravan in tow, with a fifth gear roll-on acceleration from 80-150 km/h. OK, the figures are slightly illegal but they do reflect real-world riding.

The ’07 bike has improved and is easier to live with than last year’s bike, but it still can’t match the original for real-world usability. The dyno illustrates the point further – the old bike has huge grunt and mid-range. You can also see the improved mid-range from the new ’07 bike compared to the previous model.

 

VERDICT

 

The 2007 S2 Fazer is an improvement, but it’s not the massive leap forwards some might expected. With slightly more mid-range get-up-and-go, better brakes, and more aggressive looks, it’s still a fun, revvy, relatively easy-to-ride 600 and, at 15k, is reasonably priced, too. But it is just not as new rider-friendly as competition like the Suzuki bandit, nor does it have the original Fazer’s user-friendliness. So, sometimes the oldies really are the goodies.

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[LollyPoP]

veri nice & good info, thanks fazermurpies

[LollyPoP]

Originally posted by katana@February 03, 2007 11:51 am

yes the lazer is street legal, can get from ah chan at mtechnik

cost around 1.4k

sound wise..lose to GRP

1.4k include inspection?

sry for tat, but wat's e avaliable aftermarket street legal pipe for FZ6?

[PreluDe]

Originally posted by L-G@February 02, 2007 02:44 am

hi bro im interested in getting this bike...

im riding gilera currently for almost 3 years now, time to change..

mind sharing how much you down payment and what is ur monthly installment?

anyway its 18k otr at bike production ?

thnx

4.5 down payment that include the bike i push in

 

and i drag to 5 yrs , no point paying straight , so slowly paid

 

 

each month less than 300 only

 

yes , i think the insurance has drop to 487

[kailong]

WOW the insurance is 487!!!

Cool, its damn cheap!!!

Which company and is there any NCD???

[Murpies]

Originally posted by LollyPoP@February 04, 2007 04:57 am

1.4k include inspection?

sry for tat, but wat's e avaliable aftermarket street legal pipe for FZ6?

it all depend whether u prefer the sound, look or HorsePower (HP)gain from different pipes. IMO Remus is wat i'm looking for, it have all the above. Cost 1.4k wif Catalize eliminator. just the slip on i gain 5HP. with PC3 another 8HP gain.and the sound is fantastic. and most of all it carbon fibre look. if only Arkapovic have the same carbon look as Remus. :cheeky:

[LollyPoP]

Originally posted by fazermurpies@February 05, 2007 02:14 am

it all depend whether u prefer the sound, look or HorsePower (HP)gain from different pipes. IMO Remus is wat i'm looking for, it have all the above. Cost 1.4k wif Catalize eliminator. just the slip on i gain 5HP. with PC3 another 8HP gain.and the sound is fantastic. and most of all it carbon fibre look. if only Arkapovic have the same carbon look as Remus. :cheeky:

how's e performace like with just e slip-on, w/o e PC?

i believe tat most factory stock bikes TEND to run rich, i personally think tat with pipe alone, w/o e PC, e bike will run lean.

e above sounded 'balance-up' to mi, but i just wanna get some comments/feedback from someone like u who had tested it.

e HP figure gain u posted is by dyno?

 

KNN, e guy at Motoworld quoted mi 1.7k for e C.F Remus, i guess i look like carrot to him.

i just need to cfm if e 07 & previous models can use e same pipes.

 

i'm sry if my post (Qns) seems to be abit off-topic here, i koe i can go through tis by PMs. but i believe such good info is betta off to be post in e main for all to share.

[Speedpass]

Originally posted by LollyPoP@February 05, 2007 04:04 am

how's e performace like with just e slip-on, w/o e PC?

i believe tat most factory stock bikes TEND to run rich, i personally think tat with pipe alone, w/o e PC, e bike will run lean.

e above sounded 'balance-up' to mi, but i just wanna get some comments/feedback from someone like u who had tested it.

e HP figure gain u posted is by dyno?

 

KNN, e guy at Motoworld quoted mi 1.7k for e C.F Remus, i guess i look like carrot to him.

i just need to cfm if e 07 & previous models can use e same pipes.

 

i'm sry if my post (Qns) seems to be abit off-topic here, i koe i can go through tis by PMs. but i believe such good info is betta off to be post in e main for all to share.

So far , onli the 06Fazer onwards cannot share the pipes wif 05 n below models .