From 22.0km per day to 92.0km per day

DeusExMachina · January 1, 2012

Take train and pray they don't break down.

Streetwise · January 1, 2012

Take train and pray they don't break down.

Lol.....tat came to my mind too.....but hor.......not only MRT.....it takes another 7 bus stops to reach the company. Imagine the travelling time from one end of S'pore to another.

epk · January 1, 2012

Lol.....tat came to my mind too.....but hor.......not only MRT.....it takes another 7 bus stops to reach the company. Imagine the travelling time from one end of S'pore to another.

Understand your agony. Buy a kup. It's cheaper than taking public. Well that's how it worked out for me.

nbk3 · January 1, 2012

Thanks Bro. Ya, tat's what I read about tiger:). Yes, I had been following Pulsar when it came out; it's a great looking bike with good FC but find that tiger reliability seems to be better with better power and easy maintenance.

theres a saying. "Its a honda, its bullet proof."

been riding a tiger for almost 6months, FC on average is around 37km/L, moderate acceleration and normal cruising of 100kmph. majority of refuelling done in msia, hence per litre cost is about 80cents(sgd). taking into account the distance to-fro msia to refuel, per litre cost comes up not past 85cents(sgd)

1 litre of engine oil, around 2000km +-500 is generally fine : $10-30(depends on what u use)

1 spark plug per 10,000 -20,000km is a safe preventive maintenance range: $5-20(depending on whether u branded or not)

2 pairs of brake pads 15,000km - 30,000km, depending on how aggressive u jam brake: $20-60?

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the stock tyres, IRC is of hard compound. this means it lasts damn long, but does not provide very very good grip on the road. Riding a bike means that while travelling at 100kmph, the only thing seperating flesh from tarmac, is a pair of rubber donuts. bro muhdaiz and i strongly believed that if we cud choose on whether to wear out flesh or rubber, we'll pick the latter. but some fellas out there are doing fine with the stock tyres as well

essentially its engineered from the TA200 engine, hence, again, it has plenty of low-end torque, but not a high-end sprinter, in SG, how fast can u run anyway? fuel tank can comfortably accommodate 14L of petrol (means 37 x 14 = ~510km with reserve)

oh btw, the lights DO resemble the BMW GS, hahaha, basically the tiger looks like a younger self of the GS before going to the gym. lol! no issues with that.

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the pulsar is a nice bike as well, unrivaled FC of around 40km/l onwards, easily. fuel tank is a few litres bigger as well. theres reports of a full tank reaching 700km before needing a topup. two sparkplugs give more room for play. thou its a made-in-india bike and parts are, by law of economics, supposedly more expensive due to import costs. but nowadays, everything in SG also imported no? bearing in mind that theres a very strong local support base for the pulsar, if u can afford the bike, u can afford the maintenance (unless of course ure taking a 10yr bank loan ) . theres a few major players thats bringing it in, providing decent support as well. Hence dont be worried about being left in a lurch.

have a think!

Streetwise · January 1, 2012

theres a saying. "Its a honda, its bullet proof."

been riding a tiger for almost 6months, FC on average is around 37km/L, moderate acceleration and normal cruising of 100kmph. majority of refuelling done in msia, hence per litre cost is about 80cents(sgd). taking into account the distance to-fro msia to refuel, per litre cost comes up not past 85cents(sgd)

1 litre of engine oil, around 2000km +-500 is generally fine : $10-30(depends on what u use)

1 spark plug per 10,000 -20,000km is a safe preventive maintenance range: $5-20(depending on whether u branded or not)

2 pairs of brake pads 15,000km - 30,000km, depending on how aggressive u jam brake: $20-60?

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the stock tyres, IRC is of hard compound. this means it lasts damn long, but does not provide very very good grip on the road. Riding a bike means that while travelling at 100kmph, the only thing seperating flesh from tarmac, is a pair of rubber donuts. bro muhdaiz and i strongly believed that if we cud choose on whether to wear out flesh or rubber, we'll pick the latter. but some fellas out there are doing fine with the stock tyres as well

essentially its engineered from the TA200 engine, hence, again, it has plenty of low-end torque, but not a high-end sprinter, in SG, how fast can u run anyway? fuel tank can comfortably accommodate 14L of petrol (means 37 x 14 = ~510km with reserve)

oh btw, the lights DO resemble the BMW GS, hahaha, basically the tiger looks like a younger self of the GS before going to the gym. lol! no issues with that.

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the pulsar is a nice bike as well, unrivaled FC of around 40km/l onwards, easily. fuel tank is a few litres bigger as well. theres reports of a full tank reaching 700km before needing a topup. two sparkplugs give more room for play. thou its a made-in-india bike and parts are, by law of economics, supposedly more expensive due to import costs. but nowadays, everything in SG also imported no? bearing in mind that theres a very strong local support base for the pulsar, if u can afford the bike, u can afford the maintenance (unless of course ure taking a 10yr bank loan ) . theres a few major players thats bringing it in, providing decent support as well. Hence dont be worried about being left in a lurch.

have a think!

Thanks bro for the detailed feedback. Much appreciated. Been reading about it in the pulsar/yamaha/honda forums. Yes, read tat Pulsar FC is great but when compared to FZ150I or FZ16 or Honda tiger, feels tat, besides FC, reliability very important. I've been riding my TA150 for 11yrs..totally rocks! No issues thru' the years except wear and tear. Usually, a change of oil, spark plug and brakes....and I change my own spark plug and breake pads:). Never had to overhaul(touch wood). Anyway, I wouldn't hve to considered changing if not for the fact tat I now may need to work in Jurong and a two stroke would mean high FC and wear and tear. U've helped me move a little more closer to getting a tiger:D. Right now, choice as follows:

1. Honda tiger 200

2. Yamaha FZ150I

3. Pulsar DTS 200I

revhappy · January 1, 2012

Bro, if saving fuel costs is your only concern, my suggestion would be to buy a used 2B bike like Phantom or Pulsar. A new bike has the highest depreciation and the cost savings you get out of better FC will be gone due to the depreciation of the new bike. You haven't mentioned how much COE is remaining for you bike but nevertheless a TA150 wouldnt fetch much in the market. As you are already riding a phantom and used to it, a used TA200 would be a good choice. A Bajaj Pulsar would be an equally good choice or better choice due to its better FC(45km/ltr vs Phantom's 35 km/ltr).The FZ150i and Tiger are relatively newer bikes so you wont find anything in the market below 5k. Whereas you can find a Phantom or Pulsar with 4-5 yrs COE remaining for 2-3k.

Just to give a quantification on how much the potential fuel savings will be" Say your bike gives 15km/Ltr, I know that is very pessimistic. Per day you will need 6 Ltrs of petrol which is 12$ per day. A 4 stroker say a Bajaj Pulsar gives you 45 km/ltr so you need 2 Ltrs which is 4$ per day. If you work 22 days in a month you need 22X12X12=$3168 for fuel per year for the TA150. For a Bajaj Pulsar you will need 22X12X4= 1056. So you save about 2000$ per year on fuel costs. Bajaj pulsar has an 18Ltrs fuel tank. So you can actually top up in JB and your fuel costs will be halved!

Do include the cost of 2T consumption.

You also need to consider how long will you will be working at the Jurong location.

You also need to take into account your TA150 is much more powerful than the TA200 or Pulsar and so you would be downgrading.

revhappy · January 1, 2012

Understand your agony. Buy a kup. It's cheaper than taking public. Well that's how it worked out for me.

How many ltrs does a Kup tank hold? He will have to top up fuel every day Also how comfortable is it riding a kup for 100kms everyday at 100 kms/ hr? The JB riders do it because they have no choice, its cheap, but we can spend a bit more and get a more comfortable bike

epk · January 1, 2012

How many ltrs does a Kup tank hold? He will have to top up fuel every day Also how comfortable is it riding a kup for 100kms everyday at 100 kms/ hr? The JB riders do it because they have no choice, its cheap, but we can spend a bit more and get a more comfortable bike

It's 4 litres or slightly bigger. Im not too sure. My full tank can last me about 180km. Usually cruise on expressway around 90 to 100km/hr with not much of an issue. Just the slight vibrations as its a single piston 4 stroke bike.

Overall to me its a cheap and comfortable ride for transport.

Streetwise · January 2, 2012

Bro, if saving fuel costs is your only concern, my suggestion would be to buy a used 2B bike like Phantom or Pulsar. A new bike has the highest depreciation and the cost savings you get out of better FC will be gone due to the depreciation of the new bike. You haven't mentioned how much COE is remaining for you bike but nevertheless a TA150 wouldnt fetch much in the market. As you are already riding a phantom and used to it, a used TA200 would be a good choice. A Bajaj Pulsar would be an equally good choice or better choice due to its better FC(45km/ltr vs Phantom's 35 km/ltr).The FZ150i and Tiger are relatively newer bikes so you wont find anything in the market below 5k. Whereas you can find a Phantom or Pulsar with 4-5 yrs COE remaining for 2-3k.

Just to give a quantification on how much the potential fuel savings will be" Say your bike gives 15km/Ltr, I know that is very pessimistic. Per day you will need 6 Ltrs of petrol which is 12$ per day. A 4 stroker say a Bajaj Pulsar gives you 45 km/ltr so you need 2 Ltrs which is 4$ per day. If you work 22 days in a month you need 22X12X12=$3168 for fuel per year for the TA150. For a Bajaj Pulsar you will need 22X12X4= 1056. So you save about 2000$ per year on fuel costs. Bajaj pulsar has an 18Ltrs fuel tank. So you can actually top up in JB and your fuel costs will be halved!

Do include the cost of 2T consumption.
You also need to consider how long will you will be working at the Jurong location.
You also need to take into account your TA150 is much more powerful than the TA200 or Pulsar and so you would be downgrading.

Thanks for opinion. Most appreciated. U're right on ur calculations and tat's why I'm looking at 4 stroke bikes:). My bike's COE is 1.3k and I've ridden for 11 or 12 yrs, thus, if cannot sell, can scrap. Yes, Pulsar has great FC but a little concern about reliability and maintenance cost, which can negate the fuel savings, thus the compromise I've adopted, good(rather than great) FC with reliability and low cost maintenance and convenience.....can be service by most workshops; probably bec I'm spoilt by my TA150 which has served me reliably with nary a complaint....just a oil and spark plug change...and wear and tear stuff like tires, brakes, etc. Pulsar is still on my list:)....though not at the top. Yes, 2nd bikes are part of my consideration but a little concern as u never know the condition of the bike....can end up with higher costs than expected. I've always ridden 1st hand and know my bike inside out...thus, can mostly anticipate before things happen.

How many ltrs does a Kup tank hold? He will have to top up fuel every day Also how comfortable is it riding a kup for 100kms everyday at 100 kms/ hr? The JB riders do it because they have no choice, its cheap, but we can spend a bit more and get a more comfortable bike

Yes, agree on this...my TA150 also need to top up everyday if work in Jurong. Not dissing cubs....I think they are a great bikes too for great FC... just a matter of finding a suitable ride for a specific purpose.

It's great to hear from all fellow forumers as ea has their own riding experience to share and we gain and learn from all. I, for one, hve gained from the contributions of bros here as well as from reading all the threads in the bike forums...scooters included:D.

Edited January 2, 2012 by Streetwise

kinwei · January 2, 2012

Used to own TA150 and rode from east to tuas daily, can feel your pain. I would say, go buy any 4 stroke cl2b bike and you will be alright. As for me, I tahan until I got cl2a and swap to a Super4.

Since it near 2nd link, I will suggest buying a bigger tank 4 stroke so you can go Malaysia for petrol as well. I will suggest buying a taiwan maxis scooter for transport. Not the best FC but still decent enough with the comfort for a longer ride.

Streetwise · January 2, 2012

Used to own TA150 and rode from east to tuas daily, can feel your pain. I would say, go buy any 4 stroke cl2b bike and you will be alright. As for me, I tahan until I got cl2a and swap to a Super4.

Since it near 2nd link, I will suggest buying a bigger tank 4 stroke so you can go Malaysia for petrol as well. I will suggest buying a taiwan maxis scooter for transport. Not the best FC but still decent enough with the comfort for a longer ride.

Thanks. Did consider scooter but two things holding me back, one is stability...not tat it's bad....just compare to road bikes and the other is maintenance costs, eg, belts must change 10.0k. Also, I DIY certain things like brakes, spark plug, etc....scooters seem a bit more difficult.....but then again, tat's my impression only since I've only owned a scooter for a short while and most of my info are gleaned from talking to friends who hve scooters and reading up in this forum.....but it's still within my radar....as I've mentioned, bros who believe scooters will be up to mark are welcome to comment....I'm learning:D.

SV650 · January 2, 2012

If you are working at Jurong, detour to 2nd link and back.That might help.

Streetwise · January 2, 2012

If you are working at Jurong, detour to 2nd link and back.That might help.

U mean pumping petrol right?? Btw, I assume bikes not subject to 3/4 tank, lol? Sorry, I know the ans is obvious but never top up in M'ysia before

kinwei · January 2, 2012

Thanks. Did consider scooter but two things holding me back, one is stability...not tat it's bad....just compare to road bikes and the other is maintenance costs, eg, belts must change 10.0k. Also, I DIY certain things like brakes, spark plug, etc....scooters seem a bit more difficult.....but then again, tat's my impression only since I've only owned a scooter for a short while and most of my info are gleaned from talking to friends who hve scooters and reading up in this forum.....but it's still within my radar....as I've mentioned, bros who believe scooters will be up to mark are welcome to comment....I'm learning:D.

Ya, I also diy myself. scooter can be abit harder to diy on certain things like belt etc unless you have the special tools. And maintenance is def higher due to belt and roller. So far I think Silver Wing has one of the most reliable belt but will be over your budget? But I guess comfort should make up for the increase in cost.

U mean pumping petrol right?? Btw, I assume bikes not subject to 3/4 tank, lol? Sorry, I know the ans is obvious but never top up in M'ysia before

Bikes are not subjected to the 3/4 rules. You can push your bike empty tank over the custom also, haha. But you got to take note there are tolls also. If your tank is small, no point going over to pump.

Streetwise · January 2, 2012

Ya, I also diy myself. scooter can be abit harder to diy on certain things like belt etc unless you have the special tools. And maintenance is def higher due to belt and roller. So far I think Silver Wing has one of the most reliable belt but will be over your budget? But I guess comfort should make up for the increase in cost.

Bikes are not subjected to the 3/4 rules. You can push your bike empty tank over the custom also, haha. But you got to take note there are tolls also. If your tank is small, no point going over to pump.

Thanks bro, 1st comment on scooter, most appreciated. Also tks for info on 2nd link. Forgot there is toll to pay:).

crazydj · January 2, 2012

Bikes are not subjected to the 3/4 rules. You can push your bike empty tank over the custom also, haha. But you got to take note there are tolls also. If your tank is small, no point going over to pump.

Bro, if from my house to Woodlands Checkpoint is 45km and i am riding a YBR with a 12L petrol tank, which gives me an average of 37km/l, do you think it is worth it to pump petrol in Malaysia and come back, taking into consideration the time, effort and cost savings?

nbk3 · January 3, 2012

Bro, if from my house to Woodlands Checkpoint is 45km and i am riding a YBR with a 12L petrol tank, which gives me an average of 37km/l, do you think it is worth it to pump petrol in Malaysia and come back, taking into consideration the time, effort and cost savings?

wah. the very act of travelling from house-->checkpoint-->jb-->checkpoint-->house, already takes about 3litres of fuel already.

taking into account the time needed as well, which should be around the range of 2hrs+.

3litres of fuel + 2hrs, in my opinion, not worth it. assuming u do this once a week, 4 times a month. total costs come up to 12litres and 8hrs. savings wud be minimal as compared to pumping in sg.

kinwei · January 3, 2012

Bro, if from my house to Woodlands Checkpoint is 45km and i am riding a YBR with a 12L petrol tank, which gives me an average of 37km/l, do you think it is worth it to pump petrol in Malaysia and come back, taking into consideration the time, effort and cost savings?

45km? You mean with return trip? If not, it highly impossible to clock 45km from one end of SG to woodlands custom. If based on calculation,

Of course you won't be able to pump 12L fully because you will need some petrol to reach JB. So I assumed you can pump a estimated 11L.

- JB price (Ron95) = RM1.90 x 11L = RM20.90 = S$8.71 (based on 2.4 exchange rate)

- SG price (Ron95) = S$1.77 (Based on 15% card/station discount) x 11L = S$19.47

But you still have to factor in the loss from the 45km used to go in JB and back.

- JB price (Ron95) = RM1.90 x 1.2L = RM2.28 = S$0.95 (based on 2.4 exchange rate)

So you saved (S$19.47 - S$8.71 - S$0.95) = S$9.81. That is excluding wear and tear and time hence the saving is actually much lower.

Not to mention woodlands custom is always jam pack during peak hours so you have to be selective when going in to avoid jam.

My view, I would say it is not worth to go in to pump unless you have a seperate agenda there. Like buying ciggy or kopi/makan. Or you happen to be near custom.

crazydj · January 3, 2012

wah. the very act of travelling from house-->checkpoint-->jb-->checkpoint-->house, already takes about 3litres of fuel already.

taking into account the time needed as well, which should be around the range of 2hrs+.

3litres of fuel + 2hrs, in my opinion, not worth it. assuming u do this once a week, 4 times a month. total costs come up to 12litres and 8hrs. savings wud be minimal as compared to pumping in sg.

45km? You mean with return trip? If not, it highly impossible to clock 45km from one end of SG to woodlands custom. If based on calculation,

Of course you won't be able to pump 12L fully because you will need some petrol to reach JB. So I assumed you can pump a estimated 11L.

- JB price (Ron95) = RM1.90 x 11L = RM20.90 = S$8.71 (based on 2.4 exchange rate)
- SG price (Ron95) = S$1.77 (Based on 15% card/station discount) x 11L = S$19.47

But you still have to factor in the loss from the 45km used to go in JB and back.

- JB price (Ron95) = RM1.90 x 1.2L = RM2.28 = S$0.95 (based on 2.4 exchange rate)

So you saved (S$19.47 - S$8.71 - S$0.95) = S$9.81. That is excluding wear and tear and time hence the saving is actually much lower.

Not to mention woodlands custom is always jam pack during peak hours so you have to be selective when going in to avoid jam.

My view, I would say it is not worth to go in to pump unless you have a seperate agenda there. Like buying ciggy or kopi/makan. Or you happen to be near custom.

Alright. Thanks guys!

This was what exactly i thought a few years back i got friends who keep bugging me that pump petrol Malaysia good la, even though i live in the East and all that crap. Perhaps i can save on petrol. But 2 hours of my life wasted? Now time is one of the many things i do not have.

By the way, from my house to Woodlands checkpoint is already 45km. Now that is so far la...

Or maybe i should mod a safari tank or something on my bike... Haha...

terror · January 3, 2012

I've been thinking of how to mod an additional tank on my Wave. Anyone has any lobang, please share.

ProFatSir · January 3, 2012

Alright. Thanks guys!

This was what exactly i thought a few years back i got friends who keep bugging me that pump petrol Malaysia good la, even though i live in the East and all that crap. Perhaps i can save on petrol. But 2 hours of my life wasted? Now time is one of the many things i do not have.

By the way, from my house to Woodlands checkpoint is already 45km. Now that is so far la...

Or maybe i should mod a safari tank or something on my bike... Haha...

this is nice,can go touring with a 22L tank and a big storage box!

kinwei · January 3, 2012

Alright. Thanks guys!

This was what exactly i thought a few years back i got friends who keep bugging me that pump petrol Malaysia good la, even though i live in the East and all that crap. Perhaps i can save on petrol. But 2 hours of my life wasted? Now time is one of the many things i do not have.

By the way, from my house to Woodlands checkpoint is already 45km. Now that is so far la...

Or maybe i should mod a safari tank or something on my bike... Haha...

45km one way?? You stay East which part? with 45km, I can travel from my house at Eunos to 2nd link Esso. But if really 45km, then 2 way is 90km liao. Then it more not worth the time spent.

kinwei · January 3, 2012

I've been thinking of how to mod an additional tank on my Wave. Anyone has any lobang, please share.

My friend had it on his wave before. Using the Safari tank for XR400 with special made bracket. But with full tank, the bike is very unstable during corner.

revhappy · January 3, 2012

45km? You mean with return trip? If not, it highly impossible to clock 45km from one end of SG to woodlands custom. If based on calculation,

Of course you won't be able to pump 12L fully because you will need some petrol to reach JB. So I assumed you can pump a estimated 11L.

- JB price (Ron95) = RM1.90 x 11L = RM20.90 = S$8.71 (based on 2.4 exchange rate)
- SG price (Ron95) = S$1.77 (Based on 15% card/station discount) x 11L = S$19.47

But you still have to factor in the loss from the 45km used to go in JB and back.

- JB price (Ron95) = RM1.90 x 1.2L = RM2.28 = S$0.95 (based on 2.4 exchange rate)

So you saved (S$19.47 - S$8.71 - S$0.95) = S$9.81. That is excluding wear and tear and time hence the saving is actually much lower.

Not to mention woodlands custom is always jam pack during peak hours so you have to be selective when going in to avoid jam.

My view, I would say it is not worth to go in to pump unless you have a seperate agenda there. Like buying ciggy or kopi/makan. Or you happen to be near custom.

I had a Bajaj Pulsar for 1 year and I rode it for like 12000 kms for the year. I lived in AMK, about 28 kms round trip from JB. I hardly ever filled petrol in SG, that too only in emergencies and only like 1L. My Pulsar's tank could hold 18L and I always filled 15-17.5 Ltrs when I go to pump. According to my calculations I could save about 15$ per trip and I think it was really worth it. As the pulsar had excellent FC of 45km/ltr. I topped up only once every 3 weeks or so.

I also went only during lazy sundays afternoons when no work to do. So I used to always enjoy the trip. A real win-win situation for me.

BTW, I am really surprised YBR FC is 37Km/ltr. Considering it is much lighter and less powerful than Pulsar I would expect it to give atleast 60 km/ltr.

Also, reliability issues with pulsar is a myth. Come to pulsar thread and see how many pages people have dedicated to it, the fact that you are in the forum means you know your bike well. If thats the case you wont have any issue with pulsar. The issues come only when people neglect the bike totally and dont even know whether the bike needs engine oil or not

Another thing: Its true that second hand bikes can be problematic, but seriously, how bad can it be? You said you DIY stuff on your own which means you know stuff about bikes. When you test ride a bike you should be able to get a feel of how good or bad it is. Worst case how much a 2B 4 stroker will cost you to fix. Max to max even engine overhaul is like 1K. Is that such a big risk? I would say no. If I spend 1k the bike will be as good as new and still much cheaper than a brand new bike.

Edited January 3, 2012 by revhappy

crazydj · January 3, 2012

I had a Bajaj Pulsar for 1 year and I rode it for like 12000 kms for the year. I lived in AMK, about 28 kms round trip from JB. I hardly ever filled petrol in SG, that too only in emergencies and only like 1L. My Pulsar's tank could hold 18L and I always filled 15-17.5 Ltrs when I go to pump. According to my calculations I could save about 15$ per trip and I think it was really worth it. As the pulsar had excellent FC of 45km/ltr. I topped up only once every 3 weeks or so.

I also went only during lazy sundays afternoons when no work to do. So I used to always enjoy the trip. A real win-win situation for me.

BTW, I am really surprised YBR FC is 37Km/ltr. Considering it is much lighter and less powerful than Pulsar I would expect it to give atleast 60 km/ltr.

Also, reliability issues with pulsar is a myth. Come to pulsar thread and see how many pages people have dedicated to it, the fact that you are in the forum means you know your bike well. If thats the case you wont have any issue with pulsar. The issues come only when people neglect the bike totally and dont even know whether the bike needs engine oil or not

Another thing: Its true that second hand bikes can be problematic, but seriously, how bad can it be? You said you DIY stuff on your own which means you know stuff about bikes. When you test ride a bike you should be able to get a feel of how good or bad it is. Worst case how much a 2B 4 stroker will cost you to fix. Max to max even engine overhaul is like 1K. Is that such a big risk? I would say no. If I spend 1k the bike will be as good as new and still much cheaper than a brand new bike.

Okay la, i come up with the truth la. I am 1.82m, i weigh a 100kg and my top box is always fully loaded. When i first got the bike, i was 85kg, and it got me about 45km/l. As i got heavier, the FC goes up.

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