Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[stsoh]

no idea....

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by stsoh@Jan 7 2006, 04:49 PM

thanks,

just reading their specs.....especially anti-wear additives (not their racing oil), seems like their oil r good for bikes in sillypore.

just checking whether anyone here see this/got lobang or not.

Well, Maxima's antiwear ZDDP levels exceeds Spectro's. There IS already a top notch cycle oil in Singapore Amsoil did Maxima (and Spectro) a favour, you can find on Amsoil's website how well a semi syn Maxima and Spectro compares in terms of antiwear and HTHS (measures the shear resistance of oil at high temp) to a FULLY SYN Amsoil. But it did show an unusually high volatility and curiously poor 'rust protection' in the Spectro sample. I guess a possible reason Amsoil left out any of Maxima's and Spectro's fully syn products is that the results will no longer be that marketable.

 

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf

[voodoodoll]

Originally posted by [3]`chUn@Jan 7 2006, 02:21 PM

cos 4T is call 4T

and 2T is call 2T

 

u are like just asking y male and male cannot make baby

or female and female cannot have baby..

whahahaha, KNS chun. Thanks 4 shoot me.wonderful ans.

[AspMonK]

I dont know someone do asked..

 

Maxima 4t Extra

and Maxima Blend which is better?? cause from the website it seem M. Extra is much more benfits to th engine...can share??

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by AspMonK@Jan 8 2006, 02:32 PM

I dont know someone do asked..

 

Maxima 4t Extra

and Maxima Blend which is better?? cause from the website it seem M. Extra is much more benfits to th engine...can share??

Extra is 100% synthetic, blend is semi syn. Other than that, they have a very similar antiwear additive package.

[AspMonK]

great!!! I will get e best!! thanxs

[RxzDelux]

Originally posted by AspMonK@Jan 8 2006, 02:32 PM

I dont know someone do asked..

 

Maxima 4t Extra

and Maxima Blend which is better?? cause from the website it seem M. Extra is much more benfits to th engine...can share??

Maxum4 Blend

Synthetic Blend

4-Cycle Motorcycle Specific Oil

10w40 & 20w50 Synthetic Blend

Maxima’s Maxum4 Synthetic Blend is a blend of ester-based synthetic and petroleum base stocks featuring advanced technology. This special high temperature formula protects critical engine components, reduces wear, friction, temperature, oil consumption and extends drain intervals. The use of new anti-shear additives assures viscosity stability for motorcycle 4-cycle engines with integrated transmissions. This formula also has extra anti-scuff additives to handle extreme loads and peak temperatures.

 

Maxum4 Extra

100% Synthetic

4-Cycle Motorcycle Specific Oil

10w40 & 15w50 Extra - 100% Synthetic

Maxima’s Maxum4 Extra is 100% synthetic motor oil featuring advanced additive technology. By using today’s most advanced additive systems and high-performance synthetic ester based stocks, we have engineered what we believe to be the finest 4-cycle motorcycle specific oil available on the market today. The very latest shear stable polymer systems have been used to assure viscosity stability and virtually eliminate transmission “shear-down” of the oil.

 

Extra should be better! 100% synthetic leh?

Blend is Ester blend synthetic with petroleum base stocks. Semi-synthetic.

 

FOr more info can get at http://www.maximausa.com

[AspMonK]

wah... thanxs from the 'Lau chau' old bird !! u always e Old bird man.. hehe

 

by the way my side Redhill selling at $20, I think it ok rite..?

[RxzDelux]

Originally posted by AspMonK@Jan 8 2006, 06:19 PM

wah... thanxs from the 'Lau chau' old bird !! u always e Old bird man.. hehe

 

by the way my side Redhill selling at $20, I think it ok rite..?

Redhill? Maybe u can try at Ah Koon there. U know where Ah Koon right? At Lengkok Bahru. Near Redhill MRT. They also have Maxima Extra.

[il4]

Originally posted by ANR Impex@Jan 8 2006, 01:10 AM

Well, Maxima's antiwear ZDDP levels exceeds Spectro's. There IS already a top notch cycle oil in Singapore Amsoil did Maxima (and Spectro) a favour, you can find on Amsoil's website how well a semi syn Maxima and Spectro compares in terms of antiwear and HTHS (measures the shear resistance of oil at high temp) to a FULLY SYN Amsoil. But it did show an unusually high volatility and curiously poor 'rust protection' in the Spectro sample. I guess a possible reason Amsoil left out any of Maxima's and Spectro's fully syn products is that the results will no longer be that marketable.

 

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf

I have to agree with TeePeePhobe.

 

Certain Oil have extremely high Zinc and Phospherous as addictives, use as last line of defense against component contacting with each other.

 

However such addictives added to the engine oil (to reduce undesirable wear) will only be meaningful if it can serve it purpose, reduce metal wear.

 

http://www.picturesky.com/albums/userpics/12026/Wear%20Protection%20%284-Ball%2C%20ASTM%20D-4172.jpg

 

Strangely one particular brand which reported to have high zinc phoperous content (2,464ppm) and another brand which have lesser content (at 1,474ppm) register the same scar diameter.

 

Zinc for those oils performing the best, AMSOIL MCF, Mobil 1 MX4T, Motul 300V Sport & Torco T-4SR ranged from 1,061 to 1,762ppm.

 

In a nutshell, the above results strongly suggest that simply having high levels of zinc is not sufficient to effectively minimized wear.

 

Mixing the right amount of addictive is crucial to do the right job properly is essential i reckon.

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by il4@Jan 8 2006, 09:19 PM

I have to agree with TeePeePhobe.

 

Certain Oil have extremely high Zinc and Phospherous as addictives, use as last line of defense against component contacting with each other.

 

However such addictives added to the engine oil (to reduce undesirable wear) will only be meaningful if it can serve it purpose, reduce metal wear.

 

Strangely one particular brand which reported to have high zinc phoperous content (2,464ppm) and another brand which have lesser content (at 1,474ppm) register the same scar diameter.

 

Zinc for those oils performing the best, AMSOIL MCF, Mobil 1 MX4T, Motul 300V Sport & Torco T-4SR ranged from 1,061 to 1,762ppm.

 

In a nutshell, the above results strongly suggest that simply having high levels of zinc is not sufficient to effectively minimized wear.

 

Mixing the right amount of addictive is crucial to do the right job properly is essential i reckon.

Amsoil MCF, MX4T, 300V and TorcoTSR = Fully Syns

Maxum 4 here = semi syn

 

Better film strength in a fully syn base bro. Besides 4 ball wear is an EP test, not a typical engine oil criterion test. If they bother to test some Maxima Ultra, the trace moly content together with the polyol ester base will give stellar results in that test. Why not compare apples to apples and test all fully syns? Amsoil have some cunning marketing pple who know how to pick their competition carefully.

[il4]

Originally posted by ANR Impex@Jan 9 2006, 01:39 AM

Amsoil MCF, MX4T, 300V and TorcoTSR = Fully Syns

Maxum 4 here = semi syn

 

Better film strength in a fully syn base bro. Besides 4 ball wear is an EP test, not a typical engine oil criterion test. If they bother to test some Maxima Ultra, the trace moly content together with the polyol ester base will give stellar results in that test. Why not compare apples to apples and test all fully syns? Amsoil have some cunning marketing pple who know how to pick their competition carefully.

Dear Forumers, if you have follow this thread......

 

You probably learn a thing or two. Fully Synthetic Oil delivers the best protection for your engine.

 

Even Semi-Synthetic Engine Oil with generous dosage of addictives not even near.

 

Therefore, insist on Fully Synthetic Oil (Except Hydrocracked "synthetic" oil).

 

Many thanks to Resident Engine Oil Guru TeePeePhobee for spending time to educate fellow bikers

[RxzDelux]

Ya la. Some more the test never state which Maxima Maxum one? Maxima Maxum SAE 40 range only got a lot of range leh.

 

Maxum 4 Ultra 5W40

Maxum 4 Extra 10W40

Maxum 4 Blend 10W40

 

Think these are the range dat we can get in Singapore for the 40 range. So don know also which Maxum they test on.

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by RxzDelux@Jan 9 2006, 12:02 AM

Ya la. Some more the test never state which Maxima Maxum one? Maxima Maxum SAE 40 range only got a lot of range leh.

 

Maxum 4 Ultra 5W40

Maxum 4 Extra 10W40

Maxum 4 Blend 10W40

 

Think these are the range dat we can get in Singapore for the 40 range. So don know also which Maxum they test on.

If u download the pdf, it is stated that they tested the semi Maxum4 (synblend) and the semi Spectro

[RxzDelux]

Thanks for the guidance Mr Anr Impex. I hav download it and see it already. I think it's simply not fair. Some of the EO is not fully though. Wan to compare must compare fully with fully.

 

Some oils which r not fully syn in the test r:

 

SAE40 Group

Golden Spectro 4 10W40 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Maxima Maxum 4 10W40 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Penzzoil Motorcycle Oil 10W40 Petroleum Base

 

SAE50 Group

Castrol GPS 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Castrol V-Twin 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Golden Spectro 4 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Golden Spectro American 4 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Penzzoil Motorcycle 20W50 Petroleum Base

Valvoline 4 Stroke 20W50 Petroleum Base

Yamalube 4-R Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

 

 

Funny man their Test? Like comparing the high end wif the lower end range? Sure lower end lose out la....

[AspMonK]

ahah.... thanxs for yur info..

 

by e way, i use to go ah khoon side to change EO too..

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by RxzDelux@Jan 9 2006, 12:45 AM

Thanks for the guidance Mr Anr Impex. I hav download it and see it already. I think it's simply not fair. Some of the EO is not fully though. Wan to compare must compare fully with fully.

 

Some oils which r not fully syn in the test r:

 

SAE40 Group

Golden Spectro 4 10W40 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Maxima Maxum 4 10W40 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Penzzoil Motorcycle Oil 10W40 Petroleum Base

 

SAE50 Group

Castrol GPS 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Castrol V-Twin 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Golden Spectro 4 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Golden Spectro American 4 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Penzzoil Motorcycle 20W50 Petroleum Base

Valvoline 4 Stroke 20W50 Petroleum Base

Yamalube 4-R Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

 

 

Funny man their Test? Like comparing the high end wif the lower end range? Sure lower end lose out la....

yup, and the best part is that the usual reader of their website will not know unless they bother to read into the details. The only fully syn that looked 'bad' is Royal Purple's Maxcycle, strange as I used to believe RP makes very strong products.

[il4]

Originally posted by RxzDelux@Jan 9 2006, 02:45 AM

Thanks for the guidance Mr Anr Impex. I hav download it and see it already. I think it's simply not fair. Some of the EO is not fully though. Wan to compare must compare fully with fully.

 

Some oils which r not fully syn in the test r:

 

SAE40 Group

Golden Spectro 4 10W40 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Maxima Maxum 4 10W40 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Penzzoil Motorcycle Oil 10W40 Petroleum Base

 

SAE50 Group

Castrol GPS 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Castrol V-Twin 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Golden Spectro 4 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Golden Spectro American 4 20W50 Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

Penzzoil Motorcycle 20W50 Petroleum Base

Valvoline 4 Stroke 20W50 Petroleum Base

Yamalube 4-R Syn/Petroleum Blend Base = Semi-Synthetic

 

 

Funny man their Test? Like comparing the high end wif the lower end range? Sure lower end lose out la....

So ca we conclude that Semi Synthetic are no match for Fully Synthetic in terms of protection.

[AspMonK]

price could tell e diff de...

[etky85]

Originally posted by RxzDelux@Jan 7 2006, 08:09 PM

Another alternative is AGIP oils but i don know where to get them. U know where to get AGIP oils stsoh?

got one small motor diam at cck got sell.. the shop name is AT enterprise. MEchanic is Ah Teck.. he selling 23 or 22(forgot liao) for one bottle including labour.. f.i.y AGIP 4T is also ester base 20W50 fully syn. try before.. not bad.. but still prefer Elf 4T.. got jb buy more cheaper.. hee..

[RxzDelux]

Originally posted by AspMonK@Jan 9 2006, 02:20 PM

price could tell e diff de...

Is it? I don think so la. Maxima werks better. More smooth. So how do u think? Does price shows the performance? Maxima is cheaper than Motul anyway. Just my opinion. No hard feelings bro.

[il4]

Originally posted by RxzDelux@Jan 10 2006, 12:27 AM

Is it? I don think so la. Maxima werks better. More smooth. So how do u think? Does price shows the performance? Maxima is cheaper than Motul anyway. Just my opinion. No hard feelings bro.

How much is a bottle of Maxima Ultra and a bottle fo Motul 300V?

[RxzDelux]

I never use Maxima Ultra. I use Maxima Extra 15W50 and I got it for $18. For Motul 300V i think i saw someone post abt the price. It's abt $20 or $22 for one bottle if i not mistaken...

[AspMonK]

Originally posted by RxzDelux@Jan 9 2006, 10:27 PM

Is it? I don think so la. Maxima werks better. More smooth. So how do u think? Does price shows the performance? Maxima is cheaper than Motul anyway. Just my opinion. No hard feelings bro.

yo.. u got it totally wrong man..

 

I meant e prices between Maxima Extra and Maxima Blend...

 

Kaoz...

 

 

Anyway, u gave good info.. along...

[RxzDelux]

Originally posted by AspMonK@Jan 12 2006, 12:55 AM

yo.. u got it totally wrong man..

 

I meant e prices between Maxima Extra and Maxima Blend...

 

Kaoz...

 

 

Anyway, u gave good info.. along...

Of course the blend is cheaper lah cause it's semi-synthetic while the extra is fully synthetic?