Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[servoprax]

I find this interesting. Take a look.

 

http://sportrider.com/tech/146-0310-Antiwear.add-zoom.gif

 

Maxum/Maxima contains high levels of zinc. Now this is a comment from Amsoil on the presence of zinc in oils.

 

"Over the years, automotive manufacturers have requested oil manufacturers to reduce zinc, phosphorus (an essential element in ZDDP, Zinc Diethyl Dithiophosphate) and other extreme pressure additives from the oil. The primary reason is that automotive manufacturers have requested is that they are extending emissions systems warranties to periods of 10 years/150,000 miles and they claim that high concentrations of these chemical additives were contaminating their catalytic converters and negatively affecting emission levels required to meet their 10 yea/150,000 mile warranty requirements."

 

"Quantity of zinc alone does not indicate its performance. Therefore it cannot be assumed that oils with higher concentrations of zinc provide better wear protection."

[CCK]

Like to check with you guys EO rating? What actually do they stand for?

 

Like 10W40, what are the 10W means and the 40 means?

 

Need to confirm on this as there are many different meaning i had got. Thanks.

 

And can we use car EO instead of Motorcycle EO?

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by servoprax@April 06, 2007 08:15 pm

"Quantity of zinc alone does not indicate its performance. Therefore it cannot be assumed that oils with higher concentrations of zinc provide better wear protection."

Amsoils also published a 'white paper' that showed the Maxima semi syn compared against their fully syn, in areas of gear wear protection and oxidation stability. FYI, the Maxima high Zn/Ph formula serves the dual purpose of providing extended wear protection and anti oxidation. Assumption? Their own tests shows the Maxima semi syn works as well as their own fully syn product in these critical aspects.

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by CCK@April 07, 2007 05:35 am

Like to check with you guys EO rating? What actually do they stand for?

 

Like 10W40, what are the 10W means and the 40 means?

 

Need to confirm on this as there are many different meaning i had got. Thanks.

 

And can we use car EO instead of Motorcycle EO?

How to read the ratings is detailed here, scroll down around 1/3 page:

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....showtopic=77191

 

As for car oil in motorbike engine, it won't cause your engine to explode immediately. But the wear protection spec of current generation catalyser friendly car oil does not sufficiently cater to motorcycle applications. It may lead to accelerated wear in the transmission, valvetrain.

[dinesh]

hey guys hav been using maxima fully syn 4t.... 15-50..... its abt time 2 change..... wat else can u recommend..... i wanna hav a lighter n smoother feeling.... wat abt sikolene n fuchs.... tankz...

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by dinesh@April 07, 2007 04:51 pm

hey guys hav been using maxima fully syn 4t.... 15-50..... its abt time 2 change..... wat else can u recommend..... i wanna hav a lighter n smoother feeling.... wat abt sikolene n fuchs.... tankz...

Something lighter will be Ultra 5W50. V4 engine like the RVF not really recommended to go too thin (10W40, 5W40) as it tends to vibrate more.

[servoprax]

Originally posted by ANR Impex@April 08, 2007 05:54 am

Something lighter will be Ultra 5W50. V4 engine like the RVF not really recommended to go too thin (10W40, 5W40) as it tends to vibrate more.

On Silkolene side, theres always the Pro 4 Plus 10W50 ($27) and the standard Pro4 10W40 or 15w50($23).

 

Price mentioned above is taken from the official local Fuchs website. http://www.fuchs.com.sg

 

The difference between the Pro 4 Plus and standard Pro 4 is in its application. The standard Pro 4 was designed for a mixture of high performance riding on standard road and track while the Plus version is simply for riders demanding pure performance and endurance in race applications.

 

On a general note, you could take up ANR's advice to use the 5W50 version since you been running Maxima in your bike all this while. However if you feel a little adventurous, I would recommend Fuchs Silkolene 10W40. Amsoil also has some recomendations. Do check with IL4 aka Mike on this issue.

 

If after all our recommendations, price is your final deciding factor, then go with what your pocket says. The performance ones will always seem to be in the 17-30 dollar price range. You decide.....

[TeRrYBEaR]

Originally posted by ANR Impex@April 08, 2007 05:54 am

Something lighter will be Ultra 5W50. V4 engine like the RVF not really recommended to go too thin (10W40, 5W40) as it tends to vibrate more.

hey bro so wat eo oil do u reccomend using........ n wats the x & y axis indicator on ur diagram abt all e eo oils mentioned..... tankzz....

[servoprax]

The X and Y axis is taken from Sport Rider Magazine on their so called independent test of all the major oil companies in that region of the world.

 

Oil is indeed a complex subject and cant just be explained in 2-3 liners. The graph mentioned simply shows the content of important components that engine oil contains although each company will have their own version on why they do not wish to exceed certain levels compared to others.

 

Old folks general perception still hold to a certain extent. "Too much of something not necessarily is good"

 

QUOTE (servoprax @ April 06, 2007 08:15 pm)

"Quantity of zinc alone does not indicate its performance. Therefore it cannot be assumed that oils with higher concentrations of zinc provide better wear protection."

 

The above quote was taken from the Amsoil whitepaper and not from my opinon.

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by TeRrYBEaR@April 08, 2007 05:03 pm

hey bro so wat eo oil do u reccomend using........ n wats the x & y axis indicator on ur diagram abt all e eo oils mentioned..... tankzz....

Clifford of K&T recommends the Extra 15W50 for RVF. He has a huge customer base on RVF and according to him, this grade is the most popular.

 

The graph shows the additive levels formulated into the engine oils for antiwear protection. The ZDDP also functions as anti oxidants, extending the life of the oil. Maxima specialises in RACE performance oils for motorcycles, meant to protect even the most highly mod engines with aggressive cams, and this is evident in their formulation.

 

There are many brands out there and most simply buffer their car oils line alittle and repack as motorcycle oil. They say that's enough but use a different formulation for their race oils. Maxima oils you buy are what they use for top level off road racing.

[FunkyChicken]

used silkolene pro 4 before and it rocks! 2 thumbs up for silkolene, wonder why silkolene not as popular as motul or maxima. yet to try pro 4 plus 5w40.....

[servoprax]

Originally posted by FunkyChicken@April 08, 2007 11:26 pm

used silkolene pro 4 before and it rocks! 2 thumbs up for silkolene, wonder why silkolene not as popular as motul or maxima. yet to try pro 4 plus 5w40.....

Yo FC,

 

I guess you gotta wait a while for the 5W40 Pro4 Plus. Its on its way down from Germany I heard. I am sure our friends at Silkolene will inform you and your group once it arrives.

 

As for popularity wise, hard to say. Try asking Old Timer racers like Fabian and they will tell you Silkolene is good stuff. I believe Silkolene is not the type to say their product is ALWAYS the best. I supposed this is another form of marketting approach. That would probably be why they are not in the Advertisers list.

 

Anyway, the product speaks for itself. Generally speaking for any product, you got to try it out and give it your own assessment. Then you either stick to it or find other alternatives.

 

Your bike, your money, your ride.... I have decided. Have you...???

 

PS : The upcoming Channel U Motocross sponsored by Fuchs Silkolene and other sponsors will be held next Friday and Saturday. There are some teams on Kawasaki KSRs running on Pro4 and Pro4 Plus. You might want to check them out.

[FunkyChicken]

give it another 2 months for my next eo change, been 2 months my bike on castrol p1 trizone.

 

bit sluggish but quieter engine 15w50 or 10w50 cant remember

[servoprax]

ic, 15W50 oils will generally give that impression. Which is probably why it is always difficult to make a decision on what to pour into our engines.

 

On one side, you need High performance. On the other, you need it to be affordable. Its a mind boggling issue, no doubt. Then again unless you travel 150km perday, a standard fully synthetic will do the job well enough, far exceeding our engine's expectation based on manufacturer's recommendations.

 

Fully Syn dont come cheap. Check Motul and Maxima for instance. They, along with Silkolene have placed themselves towards the peak of the pyramid in terms of quality. Quality comes at a price. How much, we cant really say.

 

Lets put it in reality, SG market is small. If you were to push your competitor this month, he could do the same to you the next month.

 

On the other hand, events like what MSSC is doing does help in creating awareness on brands. I guess we need to keep these biking events moving with each competitior taking turns to keep the biking industry at its feet.

 

We are already going to have our own local sports channel. Y not be part of it.

 

At the end of the day, competitors can still sit down together to have a cup of coffee and share experiences. On the consumer part, he/she can be assured of competitive pricing that will be beneficial in the long run.

[Nighthawk_250]

lol....reading these messages make me wanna try silkolene

 

Guys...know where I can get them nearer to town/ bukit merah side?

[servoprax]

HKL, I-Motoring and Unity should have them. Give them a ring or you could simply call Silkolene's hotline to request for your favourite bike shop to bring in for you. COD of course

 

Silkolene : 65588133

[MonoWorld]

which EO shd I use for my nxt oil change for Bajaj Pulsar? thnx

[FunkyChicken]

Originally posted by Nighthawk_250@April 09, 2007 10:21 am

lol....reading these messages make me wanna try silkolene

 

Guys...know where I can get them nearer to town/ bukit merah side?

HKL bro!!! hehehhe FUCH SILKOLENE...

 

 

btw the castrol p1 i got it when i took out my bike, free eo change

[dinesh]

Originally posted by ANR Impex@April 08, 2007 08:45 pm

Clifford of K&T recommends the Extra 15W50 for RVF. He has a huge customer base on RVF and according to him, this grade is the most popular.

 

The graph shows the additive levels formulated into the engine oils for antiwear protection. The ZDDP also functions as anti oxidants, extending the life of the oil. Maxima specialises in RACE performance oils for motorcycles, meant to protect even the most highly mod engines with aggressive cams, and this is evident in their formulation.

 

There are many brands out there and most simply buffer their car oils line alittle and repack as motorcycle oil. They say that's enough but use a different formulation for their race oils. Maxima oils you buy are what they use for top level off road racing.

hey bro tankzz alot.. i guess i will jus stick 2 maxima 15-50....

[servoprax]

Originally posted by MonoWorld@April 09, 2007 12:49 pm

which EO shd I use for my nxt oil change for Bajaj Pulsar? thnx

The Silkolene Pro4 10W40 would do just fine for city riding on a low capacity machine like Bajaj Pulsar. Any heavier oil weight may cause your bike to feel sluggish and at the end of that it could affect your fuel consumption. Pro4 10W40 : $23 ( Fuchs Website )

 

For me, Im using the Pro4 Plus 10W50 on my honda wave. Overkill ? Yes. But on the thought that I clock on average 160km perday for 25 days a month and each trip lasting about 50minutes on the expressway excluding leisure rides, Im definitely getting my money's worth on this product. A smooth ride definitely.

 

On the other hand, I would not mind switching back to the usual Pro4 10W40. If you are on a budget, I would recommend the highly popular Comp4t Racing Semi Syn 15w50. Value for money and something which is affordable if you're a fanatic on oil change intervals. Retail price is $12 as per Fuchs website. Check your favourite bikeshop if they carry this product.

[servoprax]

Originally posted by dinesh@April 09, 2007 06:54 pm

hey bro tankzz alot.. i guess i will jus stick 2 maxima 15-50....

You might also want to check out Extreme Motors at Ubi who is a fond Supporter for Silkolene, having Hamaguchi racing in the race series all using Silkolene products.

 

Extreme would be in an even better position to recommend any Silkolene products to riders.

 

http://www.arrc.com.my/images/2006_pix/sentul04_0172.jpg

[MonoWorld]

Originally posted by servoprax@April 10, 2007 03:07 am

The Silkolene Pro4 10W40 would do just fine for city riding on a low capacity machine like Bajaj Pulsar. Any heavier oil weight may cause your bike to feel sluggish and at the end of that it could affect your fuel consumption. Pro4 10W40 : $23 ( Fuchs Website )

 

For me, Im using the Pro4 Plus 10W50 on my honda wave. Overkill ? Yes. But on the thought that I clock on average 160km perday for 25 days a month and each trip lasting about 50minutes on the expressway excluding leisure rides, Im definitely getting my money's worth on this product. A smooth ride definitely.

 

On the other hand, I would not mind switching back to the usual Pro4 10W40. If you are on a budget, I would recommend the highly popular Comp4t Racing Semi Syn 15w50. Value for money and something which is affordable if you're a fanatic on oil change intervals. Retail price is $12 as per Fuchs website. Check your favourite bikeshop if they carry this product.

thx a lot bro. will survey the products mentioned.

[joajas]

I have just changed to Maxima Ultra --W50, although I have read that the pulsar 180 ug3 should preferably use the Maxima Extra instead of Ultra, I find that there is no problem using the Ultra. the bike now has a lot less vibrations and the pick up is also better. Overall it has been smooth riding for the past 3 days.

[servoprax]

Good for you bro. Use only what works for you. ANR and I can only put up recommendations but its the customer who decides. Your bike, your ride...

 

The heavier oil weight could have cushioned the vibrations. I may be wrong but if it works for you, carry on using it.

[DemonicSaint]

any bros here noe where i can get royal purple engine oil???

thanks