Product : Engine Oil Discussion

[bustop]

Strokers, try Gear Oil dude....

 

 

Gear Oil ?.. the brand name Gear oil ah??.. how much it cost usually?

[rekcams]

wat is got eo for kr ar??

[SparkerS1]

wat is got eo for kr ar??

 

any EO will do for KR lah bro

[DaN zI]

wat is got eo for kr ar??

 

for 2 stroke bike no nid to use so good EO . jus use those $8 per bottle one or wat wil do..

[almarciano]

currently on ows 900 synthomax extreme..smooth gear shifting..slightly more ex den maxima extra..i think i will just stick to maxima extra..

[dean_pedrosa]

for 2 strokers..

u cld try using Rock Oil Gear oil...

 

i used tt back last tyme on my rs125, rs250 & wr200...

very satisfied wif e overall performance...

[bustop]

lab got sell? rock oil? gear oil?

 

the brand call gear oil ?!

[il4]

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Edited December 24, 2015 by il4

[bustop]

use gear oil better than normal engine oil?~ how come.

[kish_garfield]

[racingter]

seems power.............

[Deckbuild]

use gear oil better than normal engine oil?~ how come.

 

I think gear oil is of higher viscosity compare to EO, even though they state the rating there. Also the addictive is different.

 

I use Mobil 1 SuperSyn for my Gear oil (dunno wat previous owner use), no slipping of clutch after changing and the gear change is ultimate smooth, sometimes I dun even know I need to clutch in to change the gear or not.

[merboy]

guys hw abt royal purple???

[299]

chevy oils are they gd??

[Shawn--]

Dear all

 

I have a bottle 1000ml of Fuchs Silkolene Pro 4 Plus 5W-40 + another 400ml.

 

Selling $20, PM me if interested. Thanks

[kish_garfield]

nice to find the direct distributor of mobil 1. used it on my prev STX for 50kkm...no problems. 7-8rpm to 235km/h

[frogman]

for mobil 1..been using it for my phantom then and FZ1 now..wanted to try Amsoil but shop only had 2 bottles left

[299]

Motorcycle Motor Oil

by Mike Guillory

 

This article was written by Mike Guillory and he has curmudgeonedly allowed me to post it here. I think it offers an excellent perspective and discussion on oil! It certainly has helped to shape my opinion on this complex subject. And to frequent visitors, this article was updated in June 2002.

 

Brief Introduction

Along with keeping things adjusted properly, using a good quality motor oil and changing it regularly is the key ingredient to keeping your motorcycle running happily for a long time. You cannot go wrong using one of the various "motorcycle-specific" oils, now available also from some of the major oil companies. However, many motorcyclists object to the higher prices of those oils and for convenience prefer to buy oil at their local automotive supply store, which is a still a good option. This article will provide you with information to make an informed choice.

Price of Motor Oil

So how do you make an intelligent choice? Will $1.00 a quart automotive oil work okay or do you need to pay $4 to $12 a quart for "motorcycle" oil? You have to answer that question yourself, but here are a few facts to help you make the best decision for your situation.

The owner's manual of your motorcycle probably says something very similar to the following:

Use only high detergent, premium quality motor oil certified to meet API Service Classification SF or SG (shown on container). The use of additives is unnecessary and will only increase operating expenses. Do not use oils with graphite or molybdenum additives as they may adversely affect clutch operation." That's pretty clear. But what do you do since automotive oils now say on the container "meets SL Service?" That's easy! By consensus of the API and the manufacturers, the current SL classification meet all requirements of SF, SG, SH, and SJ plus all earlier API gasoline categories. The current SL actually offers some additional benefits over the older classifications. So, if the motorcycle requirement says "SG", be confident that "SL" indeed meets that requirement.

The Vanishing Zinc and Phosphorous

It is a fact than many SL oils now contain lower levels of ZDDP (the zinc/phosphorous extreme pressure additive) and that is a big concern to a lot of motorcyclists. ZDDP is a last resort protection against metal-to-metal contact. Whereas a few years ago the zinc level was typically 0.12% to 0.15% in SG automobile oils, some SL oils now have as little as 0.05%. However, this in itself may not be a problem since normal operation of a motorcycle on the street would never result in metal-to-metal contact any more than it would in your automobile. Remember these SL oils meet the most demanding protection requirements of modern, high-reving, powerful 4-stroke automobile engines (among others). And there is no reason to believe the lubrication requirements of street motorcycles is measurably different.

However, if you race you probably need higher levels of ZDDP and should use appropriate oils or ZDDP additives.

NEW Motorcycle Oils

Seeing an opportunity to bridge this perceived gap between motorcycle oils and automotive oils, many traditional oil marketers like Castrol, Mobil, Pennzoil, Quaker State, and Valvoline now sell their own "motorcycle" oils at very competitive prices, and alongside their automotive oils. I have found them at several of my local autoparts stores and even at one WalMart store. Call or visit the auto supply stores in your area and ask. Even if they don't routinely stock them, they probably can order a case for you at substantial savings because their mark-up is generally quite a bit less than motorcycle shops.

Although not a motorcycle oil, oils with the designation "Racing Oil" are not intended for street use, generally meets "SG" requirements and has somewhat higher levels of additives, like ZDDP. An example is Valvoline's VR1 Racing oil available in 20w50 weight. These should work fine in our motorcycles.

Energy-Conserving Oils

Some are concerned that the new "energy-conserving" motor oils may have "friction modifiers" which will cause clutch slippage. Since that is a legitimate concern it is best to use only oils which are NOT "energy-conserving for motorcycles with wet clutches." Read the back of the container. It clearly identifies this. In general, only the very lighter oils, like 10w30, 10w20, 5w20, are energy-conserving. All 5w40, 5w50, 10w40, 15w40, 15w50, and 20w50 oils which I have found are not energy-conserving and can be recommended for general motorcycle use.

It is commonly mis-stated that "SJ and SL oils have friction modifiers which will cause wet clutch slippage." In reality, all oils have friction modifiers, that's how they work. ZDDP itself is a friction modifier. The real issue is to avoid getting the friction so low, with very thin oils containing extra amounts of friction modifiers, that clutches will slip under normal use. Stay away from energy conserving oils and you should be fine, if your clutch is in good working order.

Synthetic or Conventional

What about synthetic vs. semi-synthetic vs. "dino" oils? All motor oils have several special additives formulated into the oil to protect from corrosion and wear, plus detergents to keep combustion products in the oil. For normal (non-extreme) use, "dino" oils protect as well as the synthetic oils. However, if you plan to race, run at extremely high temperatures, or plan to extend oil-change intervals, or simply want the best, then a synthetic or semi-synthetic may be your best choice.

Real World Test Results

Are there any "real world" examples of long motorcycle engine life using automotive oils? There is a good one in the June 1996 issue of Sport Rider magazine in a report called the "100,000 mile Honda CBR900RR." The owner used conventional Castrol GTX oil, 10W40 in the winter, 20W50 in the summer. He changed it every 4,000 miles, changing the filter every OTHER oil change. No valve clearance adjustments were required after the initial one at 16,000 miles. And a dyno test against the same model with only 6,722 miles showed torque and horsepower virtually identical. The 100,000 mile bike was even used for some racing. In a subsequent follow-up, the same CBR had passed 200,000 miles and was still going strong! Plus, many motorcyclists have emailed me with their very positive results using nothing but automotive oils for years in a variety of rides. Oils have changed over the past 10 years, but that just means we need to be more careful in our choices.

 

Frequency Asked Questions

What is a reasonable oil-change interval?

 

Most manuals recommend not to exceed 8,000 miles after break-in. But short-trip riding is considered severe service and the most common oil change interval is 3,000 to 4,000 miles. However, a long trip is the easiest service for the oil and going 6,000 to 8,000 miles between changes while on a cross-country ride is routine. Also, the use of synthetic oils can easily double the oil-change interval.

 

Will changing the oil even more frequently, like every 1,000 miles, prolong the life of the engine?

 

Not very likely, because even at 3,000 to 4,000 miles, the oil and additives are not degraded very much. Changing more often just wastes money.

 

What about the claims that motorcycle-specific oils contain "special polymers which are resistant to breakdown caused by motorcycle transmissions?

 

Oils usually require the addition of polymers, called VI improvers, to create a multi-viscosity oil, like 10W-40. Whether it is a motorcycle oil or an automotive oil, all polymers are subject to some degradation in the transmission. Full synthetic oils tend to have less polymer than conventional oils and therefore degrade less.

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[duperman]

SP use wad EO good?

[alvin951]

SP use wad EO good?

i recommend motul 300v is x but worth it

[xsebastx]

you guys know how to read the 4T label. 15w50, 10w40..etc..Which is the best engine oil for maximum protection is it the higher the value, the better or lower cos i motul factory line got 2 diff label, 15w50 and 10w40 and same pricing too. im riding 400cc sportbike. anyone here can find any cheap motul factory line? cheapest is found is at auntie shop, $28.50 per bottle.

i motoring$26/bottle

[natgw]

i motoring$26/bottle

 

imotoring sells motul 300v for $25/btl

[DaN zI]

SP use wad EO good?

 

i recommend motul 300v is x but worth it

 

i find tat for 2 stroke bike e EO no nid use top range one.. use average one will do

[filda]

hi i m nw using UNITED SUPER 4T EO ,so wat do u think abt tt eo oil? for sp150 but only have 800ml only???

[Smack76]

if using fully synthectic..

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make sure u see this certification..JASO MA..

 

but i would not advise using f-syn....fro wet clutch

 

Why are we unable yo use F-Syn oil for bike that has wet clutch?