Does HISS really prevent bike theft?

[angelo]

Feel free to comment.

[joey_sfb]

Anyone could highlight the advantages of HISS. I only know that the disadvantages, mainly more expensive to replicate key and drain the bike battery so over a extended period of time bike might not start.

 

Do share.

[joey_sfb]

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[Ni3KiDz]

it will make the thief think twice before stealin a HISS equip bike........

MOst of those bike lost in SG are those without HISS u hardly heard HISS equip bike ganna "STUN"........

[bluewing]

HISS is impo definitely, without any doubt, an excellent security feature ever invented for bikes. Only registered owner can make the electronically coded HISS keys at

authorized centre. Every HISS keys have its own id. Anyone can secretely duplicate your key exactly at other shops, but he won't be able to start your bike, since there is no electronic link between non-HISS key and bike's ignition. It is just like your atm card. Even if the thief is skillful in joining the ignition wires, the bike still won't start.

 

 

 

HISS light is only an indicator and not an alarm system. You can choose to switch the HISS lights on or off. Even when it is on, it will auto off after 24 hours. HISS works

when you put in the key.

 

 

 

Overall i like the system very much.

 

 

 

[archenemy]

definitely a good feature...

 

most european cars have this chip inside their ignition system that prevents any duplicate keys without the coding to start the engine...

 

but for bikes...if the thief really gets a truck & push your bike up the truck..i guess there is nothing much you can do...

 

so for complete anti theft measures...get a wheel lock and an alarm system...

[mechwira]

two cbr600rr brothers here have tried hotwiring their RR for different reasons. both were completely unsuccessful. u need a HISS key to start the bike, period. this means amateur joyride thieves simply have no way to steal the bike.

 

yes the bike can be pushed up a truck, but it will be useful only as a broken down spare parts. for the buyer to be able to use such a bike, he would have to spend a couple grand just to order a replacement HISS unit.

 

this could be a strong factor why, at least in this forum, no modern CBR series has been reported stolen, though several yzf and gsx series have been reported stolen. for it to be useful as a complete bike after the theft, either the syndicate or the buyer would need to fork out an additional couple grand at least.

 

of coz, if the thief manages to steal the bike with the key, such as the owner carelessly leaving it in the ignition, then professional syndicates would have a way to duplicate more keys with the complete key and ignition system, even tho the syndicate does not have the exact key code. but having only one without the other i think is next to impossible.

 

and yes, the downside is the key is expensive to duplicate, changing the entire ignition system even more so in the event u lose all your keys and u do not have the key code. plus only a few shops can duplicate such keys, and for added safety u shd always go back the one shop u bought from to duplicate, which is all rather troublesome, coz if u lose that one key..... immobile bike......

[joey_sfb]

Sound like a great feature to have on a bike. Thanks for the feedback

[LollyPoP]

i think yamaha oso have such SS.

[Guest NPNT]

If Mr A steal a HISS bike, changed the ignition to a non-HISS, can he still enjoy the bike?

[Tourer]

Originally posted by mechwira@March 28, 2007 07:15 pm

yes the bike can be pushed up a truck, but it will be useful only as a broken down spare parts. for the buyer to be able to use such a bike, he would have to spend a couple grand just to order a replacement HISS unit.

 

this could be a strong factor why, at least in this forum, no modern CBR series has been reported stolen, though several yzf and gsx series have been reported stolen.

I'm not sure for CBR, but it only takes $400 to make a Super 4 work. Yes, replace the whole computer unit. It probably costs more to replace the CBR one.

 

FYI, this key security system is there because it is a regulation standardised by Japanese government. That is why ALL Japanese motorcycles now come with ignition-based key security system, Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki etc... I assume the technology deployed here is similar.

[Tourer]

Originally posted by newbie@March 29, 2007 01:05 pm

If Mr A steal a HISS bike, changed the ignition to a non-HISS, can he still enjoy the bike?

I suppose if he has that technical knowledge, yes. Because ISS (I won't call it HISS as all Japanese manufacturers are now using this technology) is basically another device built into your ECU that prevents your bike from firing up if your key's RFID chip is not detected.

 

I assume to make it work, you just have to replace or somewhat bypass the ECU. Which is no easy or cheap job actually. But still, for a few grands and some time, you get a cheap ride.

[mechwira]

i think one of the 600RR riders asked honda about replacing the HISS unit and got a quote in excess of $1k.

 

no you cannot simply take out the HISS system and change to some cheap ignition system and expect it to run. at least not for the CBR series, i cannot comment super4. one of our 600RR tried converting his bike to a track only bike without need for key or HISS. simply cannot be done, unless you want to spend even more than the price of a new HISS system to purchase the parts necessary.

 

end of the day, i not saying the HISS is foolproof; i'm saying there is no way to start/use the bike without the HISS key. you cant hotwire it, you cant tamper or replace with a non-HISS ignition system.

 

if you steal it, either you replace the HISS system entirely, or you somehow manage to obtain the keycode. the thief can obtain the keycode either by somehow getting this code itself, or use special equipment to 'steal' this code by obtaining the actual key and bike.

 

would an amateur joyride thief be able to steal and use a HISS bike? i doubt it, unless he want to spend quite a bit to do it up. its not easy and its not cheap and i doubt there are many amateur joyride thiefs with such capability.

 

would a pro syndicate be able to steal the bike? yes, but it is considerably more convenient for them to target non-HISS bikes.

 

so, HISS doesn completely prevent theft, but reuces the likelihood by quite a lot.

[hockie69]

does HiSS "prevent" theft?

 

it subjective lor. it like part YES and Part-NO.

 

Part-Yes, the system will go into software lock if the original paired chip are not present.

 

Part-No,the whole bike can be lifted into lorry for Parts.

 

replacing the CDi/ECU/PGM-FI unit will be a challenage(not to mention a costly one).

 

of course been the Owner of the bike,just pay & the problem will go away.

 

but then....tearing open the key and paste the chip near the ignition hole is cheap solution by silly mech that has no regard on your valuarble bike cos it not theirs and of course....it make it easy for the theft which is a BiG no-no.

 

but we can stop anyone from lifting the bike into lorry and tear it apart.

 

again....it quite rare to heard of RR with HISS kanna stunned.so i guess it work till a certian degree

[allthelees]

With HISS you also steering lock your bike when you turn the steering to the extreme left and remove the key.

 

It would be difficult to push it onto a truck unless you push the bike in circles. You would probably need 2 to 4 guys to lift the super 4 which weighs 168kg.

 

So it's double protection, cannot push and cannot start without the HISS coded key.

 

Definately a good security feature.

[mechwira]

Originally posted by allthelees@April 01, 2007 05:59 pm

With HISS you also steering lock your bike when you turn the steering to the extreme left and remove the key.

 

It would be difficult to push it onto a truck unless you push the bike in circles. You would probably need 2 to 4 guys to lift the super 4 which weighs 168kg.

 

So it's double protection, cannot push and cannot start without the HISS coded key.

 

Definately a good security feature.

HISS has nothing to do with the steering lock.

 

plenty of non-HISS bikes come with steering locks, even 2B bikes.

 

and depending on the quality of the bike build, one good kick can break the steering lock, and up the truck it goes, HISS or no HISS.

[ZzGaNgStErzZ]

up e truck, into e garage, remove e hiss in e motor, keys wifout e chip oso can start e motor.

[mechwira]

Originally posted by ZzGaNgStErzZ@April 01, 2007 10:39 pm

up e truck, into e garage, remove e hiss in e motor, keys wifout e chip oso can start e motor.

it wont start. like i said, 2 cbr brothers have tried. u cant simply remove the system and be able to start the bike.

[SaintDuDu]

Originally posted by ZzGaNgStErzZ@April 01, 2007 10:39 pm

up e truck, into e garage, remove e hiss in e motor, keys wifout e chip oso can start e motor.

if its so easy.. y will they (honda) spend so much into researching this technology?

 

the sensor which detect ur chip is acutally located near the key hole.. the black casing which have the hiss words..

[LollyPoP]

i think with handle-lock, all u need is 2 average build men & a strong metal pole.

insert the pole into the front rim & the 2 guys just lift it up.

tat's wat i saw in JB, where they 'up-the-lorry' for those illegal parkings.

[Tourer]

After googling for some time, found out that there are actually people who spent quite a few thousands to buy ECUs without the HISS to replace the existing ECU with HISS and it works. The whole idea is to use a whole other ECU to provide ignition info to work the engine I guess. There are also aftermarket builders who are able to develop ECUs that can be used to replace the stock one. If the thief is bent on stealing your bike, anything is possible I guess, but it DOES deter theft to a certain extent.

 

Then again, they're usually interested in the parts. I doubt they actually reuse the R1 they stole, probably just the parts.

[SaintDuDu]

Originally posted by Tourer@April 02, 2007 02:45 am

After googling for some time, found out that there are actually people who spent quite a few thousands to buy ECUs without the HISS to replace the existing ECU with HISS and it works. The whole idea is to use a whole other ECU to provide ignition info to work the engine I guess. There are also aftermarket builders who are able to develop ECUs that can be used to replace the stock one. If the thief is bent on stealing your bike, anything is possible I guess, but it DOES deter theft to a certain extent.

 

Then again, they're usually interested in the parts. I doubt they actually reuse the R1 they stole, probably just the parts.

haha... who know the bike might b in thailand,.... at koh samui.. phuket... and some other location to b used as bikes for rent..

[ZzGaNgStErzZ]

i m sure tat it works guys. my bike is wifout HISS, i didnt leave my bike wif keys wif em. believe mi, its juz tat easy. juz let em get ur bike up e truck n try. if not, y izzit tat those wif hiss bikes shud put alarm on their bike unless its coz of their accessoris.

[AsHaRiE]

i've heard a fazer stolen with hiss ignition system, handle lock and alarm.. gee..

[josean]

fazer doesnt use HISS